M44 range report (lots of pics)

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Picked up a box of surplus ammo from the gun store the other day. I forget what it is, but it's had the copper washed case with "10" over a "84". I paid $10 for the box of 20. $.50 isn't that bad, I would expect surplus ammo to be a little cheaper. What really got me was that he told me it wasn't corrosive :confused: which it most certainly is. It doesn't really matter though, I hadn't shot my M44 in quite a while, and I was happy to be able to shoot it.

My range trip was a spur of the moment thing, 9:30 in the morning. It was beautiful; sunny, and warm, no breeze. Nobody at the range, the day was still young, nice.


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This is the first centerfire rifle I have had. Got it from ammo reloader at a gunshow in Florida a couple years ago for $150. Overall it wasn't a very good deal, but it was my rifle and I was happy.

It's the typical Hungarian M44. 1942. The barrel has some pitting, although there is a lot of rifling left. The finish is probably 85% (blueing), the wood is all banged up, and the occaisonal sticky bolt. The picture actually makes it look better...

I picked up the ammo pouch and sling at a different gun show a year or so later.

It's fun using these:
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Here is the rifle/pistol range at the club:

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Here is a closer view of the targets:
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As of right now, the only distance you can shoot sitting at the benches is 100 yards. The right burm is the "pistol" burm. You can only shoot pistols and .22s into it. Apparently rifles and shotguns send ricochet off the concrete blocks. I can't, for the life of me, figure out how pistol bullets don't...:rolleyes:



Overall I have to say I'm impressed with the results. From shooting it in the past, I have done terrible. Shooting at 100 yards on the bench, I would get maybe 15" groupings (if you can call them that...).

I shot the first two strippers at 100 yards, sitting with that cutout rest.

Here is the first group:
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And the second group:
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It's not 1 MOA, but I'm happy with it. They have improved significantly since last time I shot. It could be the ammo type, or just as easily I got better at easing the trigger.

Then, standing, at 25 yards using the sling:
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And with the last 5 rounds, I shot this at 50 yards. Standing, using my sling for support:
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Here is a picture of the target with a pen for size comparison:
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I am very happy how it shot at 25 and 50 yards standing. The original purpose of this rifle was for deer. I have a Remington 700 now, but I am happy enough with these groups to take it into the woods now.

With the exception of that one flyer at 50 yards, it was a very good group size considering I'm standing, and it's a 60 year old rusty rifle shooting low quality surplus ammo from 1984.

I experience rim lock loading the rifle a couple times. I think it's because of the clips. I bought them at the gunshow where I bought the rifle, but from pictures I have seen, they are a little different and allow the cartridges flip around pretty freely.

Not much sticky bolt, too. The first 10 rounds was a bit difficult closing and the rifle, but after it warmed up It was basically trouble free.

Oh and of course, Cosmoline Coming out the woodwork:
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It's the greasy looking stuff around the seam of the hand guard and stock.

Well guys, thanks for checking this out and I hope you enjoyed reading.
 
What shiftyer1 said. Bayo out is how they were sighted by the factory (or refurbing armory), and it'll pull your groups back over to the center. Might tighten them up some too.
 
I actually recall shooting with the bayonet does move the group a significant distance to the right.

I didn't think it had anything to do with how tight the grouping is, but I'll try that next time.
 
"anyone selling m44's now? I can't find one...."


A military surplus outlet in Australia has recently organised a procurement of Russian M44's. It seems they normally get their stock from the same place that Century Arms acquires its stock. Or the Aus. outlet acquires its stock from Century Arms.
However I see Century Arms website no longer lists M44's...
 
Those groups seem to be typical of the standard load with the bayonet folded. The bayonet's flopping around when the round fires. I read an article about one of the com-bloc rifle teams shooting the M44s in competition with the bayonet extended. It's easy to remove if you don't want to have it extended at the bench.
 
Does the bore look fairly shiny when pointed at a sunny sky?

I'm curious, only because a friend (he just set a record with an AR-15 from 200 yards+, ironsights) tried my Russian 44 on his small sand bags, from only 50 yards. Mike retired from a military rifle (Navres) team.

My bore looks shiny, but on this 18" black plastic target, he could not find where two rounds even went:confused:....To clarify, from 50 yards.
The bayonet was extended and the so-called 'group' was about 12-16". Most of my ammo is Bulgarian HB from the 1952 gray cans, opened withing the last year.

Some suggest 'bedding' the stock, but being a late-bloomer, I've never been exposed to any gun work and will try to find help.
 
There's a reason your buddy may have missed the paper. These were taken using a 91/30, 50 yard Range, Bench rest and 3 types of ammo. As you can see the Silver Bear shoots a couple of inches above POA but the Brown Bear and Brown Paper Wrapper Ammo shoots way, way higher. At least on my 91/30.

I just shoot the Silver Bear and Reloads now and get pretty respectible results. I keep POA at 6:00 o'clock on 50 yd. targets. I was afraid to bed the rifle with JB Epoxy...just used Gasket Material.....that seemed to tighten up my Groups considerably? Haven't shot it enough to say for sure.

If you want to lose confidence......shoot alot of that Brown Paper Wrapper stuff. I slugged my barrels (have an M39, too). I got .305 at the lands and
.315 at the grooves on both rifles although the M39 is much, much more accurate? Funny? I think any ammo with a .308 bullet is not getting alot of bite from the lands. Reloading with .311 bullets.....respectible results.

MN's are FUN rifles! I think the Russians don't get the credit they deserve - these rifles are tough and not over-engineered. They do the job they were designed for relentlessly. Four parts on a the trigger......that's pretty amazing.
 

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Ignition override,

There's a simple answer to your problem - tighten the action screws. From your description I would guess that they are loose. Just spend a minute with a screwdriver and you'll be good to go.
Good luck.
 
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