MA: Anti gun hysteria; DA says: "people who carry guns are inherently dangerous..."

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Comments: MA residents, would you like your excrement sandwich on whole wheat or rye?

Also, just another example where anti-gun police emerge as complicit gun grabbers. For the apologists who say: "Don't blame the police, they only enforce the law; 99% of police are pro-gun!" - I'll be holding my breath for these mythical pro-gun police officers to show up at the State House, and publicly oppose this gross misrepresentation of their position! :neener:


http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/04/12/officials_others_hail_new_gun_bill/
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Officials, others hail new gun bill
Secondary market would be monitored

By Suzanne Smalley, Globe Staff | April 12, 2007

Law enforcement officials and community leaders yesterday hailed a new proposal to stem the flow of guns to the city's streets.

Legislation filed by state Senator Jarrett Barrios seeks to make it more difficult for gun traffickers to avoid detection by creating a central database tracking guns bought and sold on the secondary market. It will also make it illegal to not report a lost or stolen gun, allow judges to consider illegal gun possession when setting bail, and ban the bulk purchase of firearms.

Barrios and other legislators will release a report on illegal gun trafficking at the State House today, alongside police officials, prosecutors, and community leaders who advocate passage of the legislation.

Suffolk District Attorney Daniel F. Conley said the change in the bail law would be especially significant, because judges are now limited to considering primarily whether a defendant is likely to flee.

The new bail language "would make an almost immediate difference out on the streets," Conley said. "People who carry guns are inherently dangerous, and the bail statute should reflect that."

Conley, whose office helped develop the bill, also said that Barrios's plan to target the secondary gun market is crucial, because the current law requiring people to register guns they buy and sell from people other than dealers is not enforced.

If the state does a better job of tracking every time a gun changes hands, it will be far easier for police to solve shootings, Barrios said, especially because the bill will make it illegal to not report a lost or stolen gun. Now, many illegal gun traffickers tell police that guns used in crimes traced to them were lost or stolen, even when they never reported the gun missing. By requiring such traffickers to report guns lost or stolen or to face prison time, authorities will close a loophole that traffickers exploit to sell guns illegally, he said.

"There are a number of laws on the books, but they're not enforced and are difficult to enforce," Conley said.

"Too often it leaves law enforcement in the dark when they're trying to figure out where these illegal guns are coming from and how they [criminals] ended up with them."

Boston Police Commissioner Edward F. Davis said Barrios's proposal to bolster law enforcement's ability to track guns bought and sold on the secondary market could improve the department's ability to investigate shootings. Last year, Boston police solved, with the identification of a suspect or an arrest, 38 percent of the 74 homicides and 23 percent of nonfatal shootings or assaults with guns.

"Any additional regulations of the transfer of guns, especially the secondary gun market, would be helpful to us . . . and could create more investigative leads," Davis said.

Only about 5 percent of guns bought and sold on the secondary market are now registered with the state, Barrios said.

The senator said that the mayor and governor's focus on more money for antiviolence programming is important, but that more needs to be done to keep guns out of Massachusetts.

"We need to focus as well on the pipeline of guns into our cities that are getting into the hands of children," Barrios said.

Charles McDonald of the state Executive Office of Public Safety, was noncommittal about his agency's position on the legislation.

"We have not had a chance at the Executive Office of Public Safety to review this final product, but we look forward to working closely with Senator Barrios in the future on this and other issues," McDonald said.

But community leaders interviewed yesterday embraced the proposal.

Lew Finfer -- director of the Massachusetts Communities Action Network, a federation of six community organizations in cities across the state -- said banning bulk sales of guns is especially important.

The state of Virginia enacted similar legislation, he said, and "it had a big impact on lessening the number of guns in circulation."

"If an 11-year old is walking through a school in Dorchester with a gun, there's way too many guns on the street," he said, referring to the recent arrest of an elementary school student who brought to school a gun he found in a yard.

James Wallace, executive director of the Gun Owners Action League, said his organization will fight the legislation despite outreach from Barrios, who has met with his group.

He said he has no problem with some of the bill's provisions, such as requiring gun dealers to do background checks on all employees, but will mobilize his membership to fight other aspects of the legislation.

Wallace said he is especially disturbed by the proposed limit on bulk gun purchases.

"The biggest problem with that is it assumes that the lawful gun owners of this state are the problem," Wallace said. "You're telling me that I cannot be trusted to buy more than one a month."

He said he also will fight any attempt to establish a database to track lawful gun owners "to help ensure the civil rights of our members are protected."
 
I dunno (devil's advocate)

From the context (re: setting bail for those caught illegally possessing guns), it looks to me like he was talking about street criminals with guns. :confused:

I would say that thugs with guns are inherently dangerous. But only thugs.
 
Barrios is a loser for sure and has never seen a gun he doesn't hate but in this context,it is talking about unlawfully possessed firearms.
 
Honestly, can you really blame politicians when they make absurd comments like that?

Moving to Texas has opened my eyes up as to peoples feelings on firearms. You'd think that in a state like this, everyone would be at least 'gun-friendly' if not totally pro-gun. But, fact of the matter is, that even with native Texans, less and less are being raised around firearms. Add to that, the outside influence of the transplants...particuarly Californians and East Coasters. I just don't think some of these things can be branded as 'hysteria'...IMO, it's more lack of education.

If I had the time and resources, I'd love to start a new 'group'. Not one dedicated to lobbying for or against any particular law, but rather, a group to engage politicians, educators, community leaders, and parents. Instead of having an adversarial discussion, which is nothing less than an argument, how about an open discussion? Understanding points of view, talking about real solutions. I'm new to the 'fight' and coming in with a fresh pair of eyes, I've just seen too much 'us vs. them', from both sides, and it's not getting anyone anywhere nor is it addressing common issues.
 
K-Romulus
From the context (re: setting bail for those caught illegally possessing guns), it looks to me like he was talking about street criminals with guns.
The context is also a State where 95% of secondary sales are not reported as required by law. It looks to me like he was also talking about an enormous number of private gun sellers/traders, most of whom are NOT thugs, but who could be considered in illegal possession.
 
Senator Jarrett Barrios

Biggest gun bigot in MA (he hates em)

Probably loves his own, though.

"We need to focus as well on the pipeline of guns into our cities that are getting into the hands of children," Barrios said.

Sigh...

Guns are not the problem.
 
Legislation filed by state Senator Jarrett Barrios seeks to make it more difficult for gun traffickers to avoid detection by creating a central database tracking guns bought and sold on the secondary market. It will also make it illegal to not report a lost or stolen gun, allow judges to consider illegal gun possession when setting bail, and ban the bulk purchase of firearms.

The senator obviously doesn't have a clue what the current laws are, here. Every transaction must be registered, be it on the primary or the secondary market.
 
Big Calhoun
Instead of having an adversarial discussion, which is nothing less than an argument, how about an open discussion? Understanding points of view, talking about real solutions.
I don't think that works if your adversary is a raving bigot.
The Jews would not have gotten very far, seeking “open discussion” with Hitler.
Do you think Bull Conner wanted to understand Martin Luther King’s position on civil rights?

The real, emotional power behind “gun control” is bigotry; the sadistic pleasures of hatred, and legitimized persecution of the hated group.
That can only be dealt with successfully by openly recognizing it for what it is. Our adversaries must be challenged and shamed, not allowed to pass as simply “having a different point of view.”
 
The state of Virginia enacted similar legislation, he said, and "it had a big impact on lessening the number of guns in circulation."

Where? VA or MA? And I might add that if you have a VA CHP you can buy as many guns at one time as you want. If you don't have a VA CHP, then you can only buy one gun a month.

Sounds like MA has a crime problem that urban areas typically address by passing more gun control laws. They never seem to understand that its culture and up bringing that determine crime, not how many guns sre on the street. Far too hard to change culture or childrens early learning from "adults" than it is to pass idiotic feel good laws that do nothing, regardless of what Guiliani says.

In a perfect world, as the liberal are trying hard to create, only the "good guys" have guns, everyone else with a gun is a criminal. :eek:
 
Excellent point Glummer! I admit unless I see a link to an e-mail, or unless I am particularly charged about bigoted statements, I don't go digging for contact info on some of these types. Of course our medium to publicly challenge and shame them isn't as wide and reaching as theirs... Still no excuse not to keep fighting though.
 
Big Calhoun

Moving to Texas has opened my eyes up as to peoples feelings on firearms. You'd think that in a state like this, everyone would be at least 'gun-friendly' if not totally pro-gun. But, fact of the matter is, that even with native Texans, less and less are being raised around firearms. Add to that, the outside influence of the transplants...particuarly Californians and East Coasters. I just don't think some of these things can be branded as 'hysteria'...IMO, it's more lack of education.

I agree. Just look at all the asinine requirements Texas wants for their CHL. Student loans? What does being a deadbeat have to do with defending your own life?

Texas is not as gun friendly as some people would like to believe.
 
Geister:
Other states revoke your drivers license and professional licenses if you're behind on child support or the like. Its a way to force people to pay up, but its also a self-defeating thing, since how could a licensed professional make money if he loses his license?

Kharn
 
They are just trying to appear to be doing something about all the violence that has been occurring in Roxbury, Mattapan, and Dorchester. If they pass some token laws that they know will have no effect on the criminals they can still claim to be 'doing something about it'. Passing another layer of ineffective law on top of existing ineffective laws is how they avoid the responsibility of actually facing the problem.
 
Where? VA or MA? And I might add that if you have a VA CHP you can buy as many guns at one time as you want. If you don't have a VA CHP, then you can only buy one gun a month.

In MA,one MUST have a License To Carry to buy or own handguns and there is no limit on how many may be purchased at any time.

What it truly assinine is that there is now a bill afoot to ban the .50BMG and FN Five Seven in MA.Either ever been used in a crime? Nope but what takes the cake is that IT ISN'T POSSIBLE TO LEGALLY BUY AN FN FIVE SEVEN IN MA!It's true insanity.
The AG has admitted many times that the guns used in crimes in Boston are not coming from within MA and to that extent our draconian laws are "working" but since they need to do something for the children,they crack down on law abiding people!I need to find the source but the Boston mayor or Chief of Police made a comment about Boston's violent crime problem being the result of around 200 people in certain areas.Well for the love of God,why not do something about them and leave me the hell alone?!?!?!?!:cuss:
 
"People who carry guns are inherently dangerous..."

Texas Ranger Charlie Miller's response to a question about whether his 1911 was dangerous: "If the damned old thing wasn't dangerous, I wouldn't be wearing it!"
 
How did they justify banning the Five Seven?

They are not banned. In Mass all handgun models which a company wants to sell in Mass, must be tested by a independet lab, if the guns pasts the tests that model is put on a State approved roster. On top of that, the Attorney General has a seperate safety critera, 10lb trigger etc that the guns most have before they are sold. Even then the AG can stop the sale of a handgun under the consumer protection act. This is the reason we can't buy new Glocks in state. The pervious AG refused to allow them to be sold. FN does not want to sell their handguns in the state, so they have not sent any of their model in to be tested.
 
"If you don't have a VA CHP, then you can only buy one gun a month."

One handgun. Not long guns, handguns.

And if you don't have a carry permit you can still file a form with the State Police for permission to buy two, three or a whole collection at one time.


"The state of Virginia enacted similar legislation, he said, and "it had a big impact on lessening the number of guns in circulation.""

Big? Yeah, well, I suppose it maybe lessened the new ones being added to the ones already in circulation a little bit, but as a percentage I'd have to say it wasn't a drop in the old bucket. We've been owning guns in the Commonwealth since before the country was a country and these meddling do-gooder politicians are really getting on my nerves. :)

Sic Semper Tyrannis

John
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