(MA) Teenagers challenge male-only draft law

[Blackcloud6]

>>They're taking action to stand up for what they believe in...<<

I doubt it. They are more than likely trying to find a roundabout way to get rid of the registration system so their little fannies won't get called up.

A draft ids part of democracy folks! We all have an obligation to serve, the lottery draft just picks the ones who are going to do so.

Slaves to the Government? be real. We are the government: of the people, by the people, for the people.

I don't give a hill of beans for a man that is not willing to stand up. Notice I use the masuline on purpose as warfighting.. the fighting part not some staff work etc. is a man's job.

 

[WyldOne]

I doubt it. They are more than likely trying to find a roundabout way to get rid of the registration system so their little fannies won't get called up.

Yes, they are most likely attempting to nullify the Selective Service requirement. However, my point (which seems to have been neglected), was that at least they're not just talking about it. At least they're DOING something about it. And, agree or disagree with their position, it's pretty hard to call people "whiners" when they're pursuing ACTION instead of sitting around complaining.

A draft ids part of democracy folks! We all have an obligation to serve, the lottery draft just picks the ones who are going to do so.

We don't live in a democracy.

And did you just say that slavery is "just a part of life, get over it"? Or did I misconstrue your point?

Slaves to the Government? be real. We are the government: of the people, by the people, for the people.

It would be nice if that were, in fact, how it worked.

I don't give a hill of beans for a man that is not willing to stand up. Notice I use the masuline on purpose as warfighting.. the fighting part not some staff work etc. is a man's job.

So I fully expect to never hear you refer to feminists/women's libbers/ etc as "free loading" because we refuse to "serve our country".

 

[Gray Peterson]

The selective service law should be removed.

Any nation that is truly under attack and truly with virtue would have tens of millions of volunteers for their effort. Right now, the entire reasoning behind instituting mandatory service now is about blind nationalism.

For me, I don't believe that if a draft were to occur, I would be. I'm too out of proportion in a few ways, and I would regularly violate Article 125 of the UCMJ, and state so.

Now, if a nation were to attempt an invasion, like China, I'd say "bring it". House to House combat is all the invaders being taken down one by one.

Bringing in the draft for garrison duty in Afghanistan or Iraq or wherever is stupid.

 

[priv8ter]

Grrrrrr!!!!!

Okay, I'm gonna be a wimp here and dodge the whole question of the draft being right or wrong, and whether or not men are equal to women. I am going to address the one sentence in this whole thing that spins me up more and more as I think about it.

He said a broader motivation is to spur debate ``about the possibility of a draft and of having suburban kids being shipped across the world to fight a war.''

What a load of horse fertilizer

So, what Mr. Schwartz really thinks is that it's okay for the son of some rural country bumpkin to go fight, just like it is okay for the son of some inner city struggling parent to go fight. But, in no uncertain terms, it is not okay for the rich, pampered, spoiled kids of lawsuit happy lawyers to have to go fight.

the seeds of the lawsuit were sown about six months ago at his family dinner table in Ipswich when his 18-year-old son, Samuel, bemoaned the fact he had to register

I can picture young Samuel now, 'But Daddy-kins, can't you pay one of the young rabble down the street to fill out my registration for me. I don't even know where the post office is!' :banghead:

Oh, what's the use. Let's just say I'm kind of frustrated right now.

 

[Hkmp5sd]

While I am opposed to the draft, I do think that if we are going to have it, it ought to apply to everyone regardless of gender.

One problem with a mandatory draft of females is the issue of pregnancy. Are we going to force-feed birth control pills to the women to ensure their combat readiness? Are we going to punish women that get pregnant to avoid combat duty? Will they be forced to have abortions or does the military add daycare centers to the TO&E?

 

[Byron Quick]

The Selective Slavery System should be applied equitably, by all means!


There's a story in Russia about sleighs being chased by wolves while the sleighs' riders toss one another out one by one to hold off the wolves. Same moral principle as the draft. Hey, the majority voted to throw the minority to the wolves...perfect democracy...as well as a perfect example of why the founding fathers distrusted pure democracy.

I joined without the pressure of a draft just after Vietnam. From what I saw of the draftees who were still serving...1) We don't need such 2) I would be fearful of trusting my butt to such in combat.

Heinlein said it best but I am reduced to paraphrasing him: No country which cannot raise adequate volunteers for its own defense deserves to continue to exist. And, in the long run, no country ever has.

 

[Blackcloud6]

By law, women cannot go into combat so drafting them would be useless.

 

[Blackcloud6]

Lonnie:

From The Manual for Courts Martial, Article 125, Sodomy:

e. Maximum punishment.
(1) By force and without consent. Dishonorable
discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and
confinement for life without eligibility for parole.
(2) With a child who, at the time of the offense,
has attained the age of 12 but is under the age of 16
years. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay
and allowances, and confinement for 20 years.
(3) With a child under the age of 12 years at the
time of the offense. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture
of all pay and allowances, and confinement for
life without eligibility for parole.
(4) Other cases. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture
of all pay and allowances, and confinement for
5 years.

Enjoy your stay in the military....

 

[WyldOne]

One problem with a mandatory draft of females is the issue of pregnancy. Are we going to force-feed birth control pills to the women to ensure their combat readiness? Are we going to punish women that get pregnant to avoid combat duty? Will they be forced to have abortions or does the military add daycare centers to the TO&E?

A very important point. In fact, one worth a lot of discussion and thought.

I will quickly say this, and then try to revisit the issue either here, or in a separate thread: Women don't become pregnant alone. So, both the man and the woman should be held accountable for their actions, and for the consequences of their actions.

But why would a soldier be having sex? Shouldn't he and she be busy worrying about fighting, surviving, winning, etc?

I know nothing about promiscuity among soldiers; nor would I like to even wager a guess. But perhaps prohibiting sex between soldiers? I don't know; that's a thought off the top of my head, probably not a wise one, certainly an uneducated one.

 

[Flying V]

The only persons who should be subject to the draft are those who support it for others.

 

[Hkmp5sd]

The only persons who should be subject to the draft are those who support it for others.

Okay by me. I've always contended that only honorably discharged veterans should get Veterans Day as a paid holiday.

 

[Silver Bullet]

priv8ter,

"suburban" got my attention, too. One of the things to be alert for from the socialist hordes is an effort to make some classes more equal than others. In many communist countries, the ruling class was made up of thugs and cronies, and the productive folks made up the working class. It's the Grasshopper and the Ant story, with the Grasshopper in charge.

A few years ago California offered its teachers immunity from state income taxes in lieu of a pay raise. The teachers turned it down, but I'm astounded that the other Californians didn't scream (at least, not that I heard). That could have been the beginning of a privileged class structure in that state: "we're teachers (or politicians or entertainers) and shouldn't have to pay taxes like the little people".

 

[Silver Bullet]

I forgot to enclose my response with [RANT] and then [/RANT].

 

[Byron Quick]

But why would a soldier be having sex? Shouldn't he and she be busy worrying about fighting, surviving, winning, etc?

The response of men and women to living through extreme life threatening situations is well documented...sex and lots of it. During the Blitz in London in WWII, birth rates spike on a one to one basis with the severity of the bombing nine months beforehand.

Soldiers of either sex are human beings. Human beings, considered as a group, respond to surviving extreme situations by procreating.

 

[Old Fuff]

>> He said a broader motivation is to spur debate "about the possibility of a draft and of having suburban kids being shipped across the world to fight a war." <<

Oh dear. It would appear that SUBURBAN KIDS are somehow special when it come to being shipped out to fight from Liberal Land. Less economically fortunate youths should do the fighting so that the suburban types can stay home and live the good life. I don't know that I'd want this kid or his sister in the next foxhole either. Much prefer some rednecks who know how to shoot.