Nolo
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And I say that over, and over, and over, and over again.
So what's the problem?
Major Failure with (modified) 870 Police
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So what's the problem?
hags
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The problem is you're blaming, or at least implicating the 870P is the problem. Refer to my analogy.
Wildyams
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I don't see anywhere where he says it was Remingtons fault, he just so happen to have installed this part on a Remington 870, then the part failed. He made it very clear that the magazine was modified and it was part of the magazine that failed, then he said the part that failed was poorly made compared to the one that came stock.
I do believe he has even admitted it didn't have anything to do with the fact that it was a Remington as opposed to something else.
Moral of the story - if you have a magazine extension, regardless of what brand of gun you have, make sure you test it out thoroughly.
I do believe he has even admitted it didn't have anything to do with the fact that it was a Remington as opposed to something else.
Moral of the story - if you have a magazine extension, regardless of what brand of gun you have, make sure you test it out thoroughly.
average_shooter
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The fact is, the guy had a problem with his 870P, which was caused by an aftermarket part. The unit as a whole (the 870) still had a problem.
If the AC in my car craps out, I don't rip out the AC unit to look at it, instead my car (as a whole) has a problem caused by the defective part. The car still has the problem and gets addressed as a whole.
Nolo, sorry to hear you had trouble, but good on ya for finding it at the range and not in a bad situation. Is there any more information you could offer as to why/what failed to work properly (improper mating of the parts inside the mag, for example)?
So can we quit with the bickering and pissing matches and get back to constructive discussion before this one gets locked?
If the AC in my car craps out, I don't rip out the AC unit to look at it, instead my car (as a whole) has a problem caused by the defective part. The car still has the problem and gets addressed as a whole.
Nolo, sorry to hear you had trouble, but good on ya for finding it at the range and not in a bad situation. Is there any more information you could offer as to why/what failed to work properly (improper mating of the parts inside the mag, for example)?
So can we quit with the bickering and pissing matches and get back to constructive discussion before this one gets locked?
Wow hags, you are really coming across as an overly defensive fan boy.
He really isn't, at least not in the way you seem to be suggesting that he was and you are the only one who seems to be taking it that way. I suggest not getting in a huff over it and not hijacking the thread over your 870 (one of my favorite shotguns BTW) sensitivities.
He really isn't, at least not in the way you seem to be suggesting that he was and you are the only one who seems to be taking it that way. I suggest not getting in a huff over it and not hijacking the thread over your 870 (one of my favorite shotguns BTW) sensitivities.
ugaarguy
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I can think of a far more accurate one. "Wilson plus two kit has major failure. Installed on 870P." That title would actually attribute the failure to what failed, not the gun that the faulty parts were installed on.
Did you install an aftermarket AC unit in your car? Your analogy be would correct if Nolo had experienced a failure with the factory installed parts. He experienced a failure with an aftermarket part. If you installed an aftermarket increased output AC unit, yourself, in your car, and it overloaded your electrical system, would you say your car failed? No, well maybe you would, but I'd say "The aftermarket high output AC unit, which I installed myself, failed by overloading the electrical system in my Tacoma. You should stick with Toyota OEM AC units, and have an ASE certified technician install them." Or something like that. Words mean things.
Guys --jeepers the thread title is a wee bit misleading but if you read the thread the description is honest and forthright. Don't crucify the guy. This is The High Road act like it. Quit trying to be gun counter commanders of knowledge and help the guy.
To the OP I have personally bought more than one modified shotty with mag extensions IMHO these extensions cause nothing but grief Moreso with the 2's than 3's. If you put a 3 on an 18' it's too long. Also the spring was probably caught in the first place rather than the follower. They like to do this at the joint between the tube and extension.
5 Rounds that feed are better than 7 that don't.
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Raleigh
To the OP I have personally bought more than one modified shotty with mag extensions IMHO these extensions cause nothing but grief Moreso with the 2's than 3's. If you put a 3 on an 18' it's too long. Also the spring was probably caught in the first place rather than the follower. They like to do this at the joint between the tube and extension.
5 Rounds that feed are better than 7 that don't.
What the Gun World needs is a little love and understanding
Raleigh
Nolo
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No, just that I think this can be avoided either with a harder plastic follower, such as the one that the 870 comes with, or a steel one.
There was visible plastic shearing on the follower where you could see that it got caught on something (presumably a gap in the extension-to-mag connection), with little flakes hanging off, ready to get caught on something.
Nope. I am referring to 6+1 capacity with the extension.
Seriously, stop it.
I have established from the OP that they were aftermarket parts.
Well, gee, I wasn't shooting a Wilson Combat mag extension, was I? I was shooting a Remington 870 Police Magnum that had been modified. The weapon is a whole system. When you get a doublefeed with your favorite AR, do you say "USGI Colt magazine experiences doublefeed". No, you say "My AR-15 doublefed!"
Since this incident, I have been considering putting in the old spring and retainer and keeping the extension on, because it has my sling loop on it.
More testing is needed, I say.
jakemccoy
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Nolo, you say in the original post that you were doing a "seven round magazine dump". Then, in post #43 you say you had a 6+1 extension. So, you had 1 round in the chamber and 6 rounds in the magazine, right?
About the sling loop, you probably know that you can buy a cap with a sling stud:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=138977
How is your gun's reliability without the magazine extension???
By the way, it's fair to point out that you're not the only one learning in this thread. I'm sorry if I sound callous, but I don't have a deep burning desire to fix your specific problem. I'm interested in learning from your problem while maybe helping you out along the way. (That's probably the motivation of most people here.) When you say you have a major failure with your 870P, I'm thinking that I need to worry about my own 870P. I later found out that your problem is the extension, not the stock 870. So, the title originally threw me off. I'm not a dick for pointing out the title threw me off. I use my 870P for important stuff.
About the sling loop, you probably know that you can buy a cap with a sling stud:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=138977
How is your gun's reliability without the magazine extension???
By the way, it's fair to point out that you're not the only one learning in this thread. I'm sorry if I sound callous, but I don't have a deep burning desire to fix your specific problem. I'm interested in learning from your problem while maybe helping you out along the way. (That's probably the motivation of most people here.) When you say you have a major failure with your 870P, I'm thinking that I need to worry about my own 870P. I later found out that your problem is the extension, not the stock 870. So, the title originally threw me off. I'm not a dick for pointing out the title threw me off. I use my 870P for important stuff.
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rbernie
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I concur. I have edited the thread title to better indicate the scenario. As it stood, the original version *did* have a 'man bites dog!' newsstory quality to it (in which you find out that the article is about a hotdog vendor and his customers and not about a man physically biting a dog).
I have also deleted some posts, and would like to remind some of you to mind your manners a bit better. Y'all came down pretty hard on something that simply did not need that level of angst.
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