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I've done a little research on the Makarov 9mm and most of it was just information about it them, but I am thinking about buying one tomorrow for $200. It is a used gun and you can tell it, witch some chips in paint and some scuffs, but I just wanted to know what the community thinks about them.

Thanks in advance.
 
GREAT guns!! I've had an East German Makarov, a Bulgarian Makarov, and I still have a Russian model. I really like 'em. I also have a CZ 82 that shoots the 9x18 Makarov round, and it is quickly becoming my favorite gun in that caliber. Search Makarov, and read the "mostly" good reviews ;) by the way $200 is a pretty good price, which Makarov is it?
 
Ok so what are you asking

there are a number of pistols and SMG that shoot the
9mmx18mm Makarov round

There is also the Russian PM Makarov and licensed copies of, which are true 'Makarovs'

Then you the variety other pistols chambered in this round

What you are doing is similar to calling all .45 guns 'colts'


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you say paint, which makes me think you are getting a Česká zbrojovka, CZ, 82, chambered in 9mm Mak. these are great guns, the civilian models is the CZ-83, and is still in production.
 
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I hope there isn't any "paint" on it. I would pay $200 for a decent makarov with a well done but slightly worn finish.

Lots of parts still available and fun to shoot.
 
The Makarov IS a great firearm. It has gathered somewhat of a cult following over the past few years. I agree you should do some research, as "Makarov" in actuality can mean several different firearms.There is the original Makarov PM (Pistolet Makarova) which itself was made in several countries. I have a Bulgarian made one. Then there are the Czech, Hungarian, and Polish guns that are chambered in 9x18 Makarov that are individual designs in their own right. Each has their unique features. All are great values for the money, and make great conversation pieces. The problem with "maks" is that you cant stop at one. Once you buy that first one, a second is soon to follow !!!
 
True about the paint! The CZ82s are painted, and most of 'em have chipped paint. GREAT guns though!
 
..... The problem with "maks" is that you cant stop at one. Once you buy that first one, a second is soon to follow !!!

Thank you, man!
I thought I am just one who is sick with buying more and more that little guns ;)
After I bought iJ-70 (Russian version for civilian people [not a military one]) I found myself that I need to have Bulgarian. Than - German...
Now, I am OK and will not buy Chinese or Makarov from other country.
 
Val, keep saying that
I have a CZ, don't need another one, don't need another 9x18...
well now I have both, and is was by a slim margin and a failed trade that I don't have more....

Show me a EG and I have cash, you'll have cash and I'll have a EG, though I would kill for a Suhl.
 
I just picked up an arsenal bulgy not too long ago. This thing is awesome, and I definitely would like another one (probably would get a circle10 bulgy next). CZ82 is hard to resist...especially if you have C&R!
 
Thank you, man!
I thought I am just one who is sick with buying more and more that little guns ;)
After I bought iJ-70 (Russian version for civilian people [not a military one]) I found myself that I need to have Bulgarian. Than - German...
Now, I am OK and will not buy Chinese or Makarov from other country.
Val,
I have the full blown virus. Not only am I a sucker for the PM, Ive branched out to the PA63, CZ82, even the P83...whats next... P64??
HELP!
 
I bought a 1994 build CZ82 last Wednesday for $200 from a good friend who was thinning his firearm collection. It's in excellent condition with very little wear on the finish and even less on the internal components.

Great pistol and the Makarov has a little more power and recoil than the .380.

The CZ82/83 is still available outside the US in 9mm Makarov and may still be in service with the Czech Armed Forces. Not sure if that means the 82 is actually still in production or if they're chambering the 83's in Makarov with out changing to the 82 designation. New USA versions are available in 32-Auto and .380, outside the US the Makarov seems to be available in all three calibers.

"...version designated as the CZ 82 is in service with the Armed Forces of the Czech Republic..."

http://www.czub.cz/en/catalog/79-pistols-cz/PC/CZ_83.aspx

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It is the same gun, so yep it's in production
just wish we could get the round that goes with it, that's a bad bad bad
little iron round, and why it has a poly rifling.
 
I have the Russki commercial model, adjustable sights. the IJ-70 as it's known.
bought it to replace a BDA for CCW and glad I did. more 'grunt' than .380 but I have to load my own h-p ammo or pay big$$ for.
it's a good shooter and although I have larger bore and/or higher capacity pistols this Mak is the one I place in an el-cheapo holster velcroed to my bedpost.
it's just 'pointable' and comfortable to shoot - accurate too.
I've taught several women the basics of semi-auto handgun operation with it and good results one lady even offered me 2X what I payed for it. steered her towards a Beretta .380 instead.
 
I've done a little research on the Makarov 9mm and most of it was just information about it them, but I am thinking about buying one tomorrow for $200. It is a used gun and you can tell it, witch some chips in paint and some scuffs, but I just wanted to know what the community thinks about them.

Thanks in advance.
Two hundred is good price for Makarov pistol if in excellent mechanical order. Some external cosmetic wear would not prevent me from buying one.
 
Those Russian slugs look pretty rough and I would not trust them.
I remember buying Hornady 9x18 JHPs for $18-$19 per 25 pack. That price is comparable to similar loads in 9 Short and 9x19. Now I buy .45ACP Winchester 'Supreme Elite' 230gr PDX1 loads for $21.97 per 20 at Walmart in the crib.
 
Makarov slugs

Hello all, I am new to this forum, & thanks for having me!

I have had rather extensive experience in bullet casting professionally, and I would like to relate an experience with a client's 9mm Makarov at our private range in Florida.

His was a heckuva specimen, he paid only $100 for it if I recall correctly (for one in such immaculate condition, it was a screaming deal!) and he was stoking it with milsurp Russian ammo. He loved the pistol, and brought it out because he had no place to fire it in his town of residence (I was 35 miles or better away from his town) and the local ranges there just left him cold - we were friends of sorts.

He was trying to shoot the Mak for accuracy at 10 yards, and found he was entirely perturbed about the perceived recoil, and it was quite difficult for him to handle it. He was discussing with me also the possibility of ordering new grips for it so that it would be more controllable.

It was not accurate beyond perhaps a 6 inch circle at that range, and he was NOT happy about many facets of the pistol in that regard, but he LOVED the feel and concealment aspect of it when the trigger was not being pulled.

I asked him to let me borrow some of his spent brass (he was going to trash those cases anyway) and told him to give me a few days to make a surprise for him.

I checked the brass, and amazingly it was Boxer primed (!!!), so I dug out a dusty mold I had, and cast him a few hundred slugs. I then processed the brass, and loaded him up some manual level rounds (unlike the machine gun loaded surplus he had) and when he returned he fired 12 rounds into a ragged bughole at the prior range of the 6 inch circle, and no sore hand, all the brass fell right close to him as well instead of 15 yards away..

My point is, this is one heck of a pistol, and if you are looking for practice ammo for one, Lee Precision makes a 9mm Makarov mold, and loaded over a reasonable full manual listed charge of Bullseye ( I think 3.0 grains was most accurate, it was .2 less than max for accuracy, but the max load functions fine and also allows the shooter to not be bit by recoil. PLEASE CHECK, I could be misremembering the max of 3.2:scrutiny:), it is a pretty accurate little pistol to boot!

With the right alloy choice, it does not lead a clean bore either. I did not get a chance to make him defense bullet styles, he moved away and we have lost touch.:banghead:

Don't let the milsurp ammo limit you, there are DEFINITELY better options out there for ammo! :scrutiny:
 
Also, some one can correct me if I'm wrong...
the only 'HOT' 9x18mm "mak"

Is the Czech 9x18 Vz-82 round, easily Identifiably by the black/silver sintered Iron bullet, and best not shot out of a traditionally rifled barrel, as it will eat the rifling right out of it.

All I'm saying, is please be a little more specific, and realize that there are a number of guns, that hucksters foist off as 'Makarovs' which are not PM's, true Makarovs.
 
Shadow, I do not recall which model pistol, I do know it was chambered in 9mm Makarov (as was the box print). As I am not a connoisseur of Eastern Bloc weapons, I do not know the intricacies of which 9mm Makarov variant you are asking about, I was not aware of several being out there. What I DO know was the ammunition he was using was danged hot for the pistol.

The case was about like a .380 case, maybe a tad larger, but not by much.
 
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If the slug in his ammo was sintered metal or some sort of iron alloy, I have no idea, as it was a FMJ and appeared to be a copper type jacket.
 
then i'll hazard a guess that your buggy had a FEG
p-63, not a PM Makarov, or a similar alloy frame gun, and yes they kick, just like any other light gun, some worse than others
 
All I know is that the full book load for the ammo was no-place near the factory loads he was trying to use, and the reloads were a LOT more accurate as well.

However, the pistol fit our hands very well, and was very concealable indeed.
 
(Polish) PA-63

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Russian/Bulgarian* Surplus or Commercial/Chinese/East German

Makarov

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(Chezch) CZ-82

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(Polish) P-83
p83.jpg
 
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