Man Armed with ‘Assault Rifle’ Threatens Ex-Girlfriend, She Kills him

[Aim1]

She could have ended up as a statistic as a woman who got a restraining order to stop her ex-boyfriend and was then killed by him, her restraining order stopping nothing. But she chose to protect herself and now she's alive and he's dead.



http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...sault-rifle-attacks-ex-girlfriend-shoot-dead/

Deputies: Man Armed with ‘Assault Rifle’ Allegedly Threatens Ex-Girlfriend, She Kills


by AWR HAWKINS18 Jun 2017611

Deputies with Florida’s Pasco County Sheriff’s Office (PCSO) say a woman killed her ex-boyfriend after he allegedly threatened her and showed up at her house with an “assault rifle.”

WFTS reports the PCSO’s preliminary report described the shooting as “self-defense,” and Ms. Guinn was not arrested.

 

[Kleanbore]

Restraining orders provide little or no protection.

 

[Snyper]

Yes, she was able to defend herself quite well in spite of being in a high stress situation.

I wish the report had more details.

 

[9MMare]

Good to read about someone who chose not to be a victim.

 

[alsaqr]

So called "restraining orders" are feel good stuff. Good on the lady.


Another link added:

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/l...-boyfriend-in-self-defense-pasco-deputies-say

 

[lemaymiami]

Here's what a restraining order will do for you... if the individual violates it (and many, many domestic problems are an on-going problem that rarely escalates to the point of deadly assaults...) then he/she can be arrested right on the spot (no matter what they have or have not done - simply for violating the restraining order.... ) so it is one more tool for officers trying to keep the peace...

As already noted, though, your own safety may come down to your ability to defend yourself - and the law can sort out the incident after the fact. In my experience, domestic problems are mostly settled without violence (and when there is violence, it's much more of a minor nature...) - but you'll never hear about those incidents. The only ones you'll ever hear about are the ones where someone is hurt or killed.

Glad the lady survived the incident, and yes.... most of the time officers won't arrive until after something has already occurred - one way or the other....

 

[CDW4ME]

She saves herself .... anti-gunners record / report it as a death by gun violence.

 

[22250Rem]

Thank God she was able to defend herself......... How many times have we heard those news reports where some woman was killed by someone violating a restraining order. Or those reports of the victim that got killed had applied for a pistol permit because of a restaining order but still didn't have it.

 

[Deaf Smith]

She met him at the door
with a loaded .44
and he ain't a would-be killer
any more!

Deaf

 

[4v50 Gary]

Restraining order adds to credibility that the killing was in self-defense. I know a woman who was being stalked by her ex. I told her to get a restraining order. My patrol parter suggested she get a gun. She did both. One day while motoring she was forced to a stop by her tormentor. He exited his car with gun in hand and jumped on her hood. She fired first. He was dead right there. San Francisco PD declined to arrest her on the basis of self-defense. The SF District Attorney also declined to press any criminal charges against her.

 

[Milt1]

I love it when the "victim" become the "Victor"

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Restraining orders are not a perfect defense.
Personal weapons are not a perfect defense.
Tennessee legislature has made it legal for a person has obtained a restraining order to carry for self-defense while in the process of getting a carry permit. Will restraining order + possibility of armed victim deter some hot heads? The legislature thinks so.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

She could have ended up as a statistic as a woman who got a restraining order to stop her ex-boyfriend and was then killed by him, her restraining order stopping nothing. But she chose to protect herself and now she's alive and he's dead.

I am not sure why y'all are talking about restraining orders in this case. There is no mention of a restraining order in the OP's cited article. None are mentioned in alsaqr's article.

This article specifically says that the sheriff's office wasn't aware of any restraining orders against Harrison. http://wfla.com/2017/06/18/man-shot-and-killed-by-ex-girlfriend-in-zephyrhills/

You can't violate a restraining order that doesn't exist.

No doubt, he was a bad dude.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...-shot-by-ex-girlfriend-in-zephyrhills/2327672

 

[Tommygunn]

Ok guys chill. You know this is fake news.....because if someone has an "assault rifle," everyone knows from the msm that there is absolutly NO DEFENSE against it!

 

[Deaf Smith]

He was a dandy man... just a bit misunderstood.

http://www.tbo.com/news/publicsafet...-shot-by-ex-girlfriend-in-zephyrhills/2327672

BTW, Harrison was a convicted felon. We will find out if a restraining order was in force (could be other LEO organizations than sheriffs office.)

Deaf

 

[Aim1]

I am not sure why y'all are talking about restraining orders in this case. There is no mention of a restraining order in the OP's cited article. None are mentioned in alsaqr's article.

This article specifically says that the sheriff's office wasn't aware of any restraining orders against Harrison. http://wfla.com/2017/06/18/man-shot-and-killed-by-ex-girlfriend-in-zephyrhills/

You can't violate a restraining order that doesn't exist.

No doubt, he was a bad dude.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...-shot-by-ex-girlfriend-in-zephyrhills/2327672

That's the point.


Rather than get a useless restraining order she chose to have a firearm to protect herself.

And it worked far better than a restraining order has for so many victims of domestic violence.

 

[shafter]

Restraining orders probably prevent far more violence than we'll ever realize. They make it simple to arrest the violator for any type of contact before it escalates to violence. They work as intended all the time. Naturally a piece of paper can't protect you from imminent violence, only a firearm or other weapon can do that. But even then, the potential victim still needs to know how to effectively use their weapon.

I guess my point is that I'm tired of the gun community saying how worthless a restraining/protection order is. I wouldn't want a potential victim to overhear how useless a restraining order is and decide to not get one, thinking that all they have to do is go to the gun shop and buy a small pistol for protection. The proper advice is to get a restraining order so that the police can intervene early before the situation escalates. Additionally, getting a good firearm and some training on how to use it safely is also excellent advice. It doesn't have to be one or the other. A victim should be encouraged to use all the options at their disposal.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

That's the point.


Rather than get a useless restraining order she chose to have a firearm to protect herself.

And it worked far better than a restraining order has for so many victims of domestic violence.

It really isn't an either/or situation. It isn't that you either get a restraining order or you get a gun.

As shafter points out, restraining orders probably prevent more crime than we will ever realize, which BTW, is a similar argument used by many gun proponents.

 

[horsemen61]

Hey OP just an FYI there is no such thing as an "Assault Rifle" Not knocking you for reporting it the way you read it, but if We the gun communtiy as a whole want this term to die. We can't be using it ourselves the only way it goes away is if we quit using it and push that everyone does as well.

 

[Malamute]

Hey OP just an FYI there is no such thing as an "Assault Rifle" Not knocking you for reporting it the way you read it, but if We the gun communtiy as a whole want this term to die. We can't be using it ourselves the only way it goes away is if we quit using it and push that everyone does as well.

Where did this idea that assault rifle "doesn't exist" come from? My first thought is anyone saying so doesn't have any idea what they are talking about, the next is its overused and misused often, but it WAS used frequently by the firearms community in advertising and writing vocabulary before it was jumped on by the anti-gun folks. Saying they "don't exist is just plain inccorect in several ways.

 

[RPZ]

Darn, I thought no one stands a chance with anyone armed with an "assault rifle"!

 

[horsemen61]

Hey Malamute explain to me how a object "assaults" someone! It takes a person she could have been "assaulted " by a person but not by an object! The reason I brought it up is because it is one of those Buzzwords that "nonGun Owners" hear and paints us in a bad light is that what you want our rights stripped because we use a negative phrase?

 

[9MMare]

She saves herself .... anti-gunners record / report it as a death by gun violence.

Dang, quoted for truth.

 

[9MMare]

Restraining orders probably prevent far more violence than we'll ever realize. They make it simple to arrest the violator for any type of contact before it escalates to violence. They work as intended all the time. Naturally a piece of paper can't protect you from imminent violence, only a firearm or other weapon can do that. But even then, the potential victim still needs to know how to effectively use their weapon.

I guess my point is that I'm tired of the gun community saying how worthless a restraining/protection order is. I wouldn't want a potential victim to overhear how useless a restraining order is and decide to not get one, thinking that all they have to do is go to the gun shop and buy a small pistol for protection. The proper advice is to get a restraining order so that the police can intervene early before the situation escalates. Additionally, getting a good firearm and some training on how to use it safely is also excellent advice. It doesn't have to be one or the other. A victim should be encouraged to use all the options at their disposal.

I dont know, IMO maybe they give people enough of a cooling off period to regain control of themselves. I have not seen any data on how effective they are, as we only hear when they fail.

But one way they help is that the person with the restraining order now has a record of threats and being in fear for their life if they ever need to defend themselves.

 

[Kleanbore]

It's not at all clear how the idea that a restraining order existed originated.