Man arrested at LAX for having guns.

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Breaking a law does not mean you'll get arrested. Law enforcement officers can exercise their judgment in many cases. I have been pulled over for speeding, yet the officer didn't write me a citation nor did he haul me into jail for six hours just to be safe.

The only reason the man was hauled into jail is because of the fear and hatred of gun owners in California.

When the so-called "assault rifle" act was passed, they couldn't even tell you what firearms were covered by it. It was not until after the deadline to register your firearms was passed that they even began making any kind of clarification. By that time, it was too late.

The man was on his way to shoot his weapons and stopped to pick up his buddy. Police took him in for six hours and they confiscated his truck, firearms and ammo, ruining his outing. Why? To protect us? No. That's not the job of the police. It was because it's the policy of the PTB in California to foster fear and hatred of gun owners and turns a blind eye when they are oppressed
 
"Breaking a law does not mean you'll get arrested."

Ain't that the truth. If it happened then every criminal would be in jail. I read once that you could break any law once and stand a good chance of getting away with it. It is the people who repeatedly perform burglaries, rapes, sell drugs etc. that end up in jail. How many illegal things have you gotten away with in your lifetime? How many times do you speed before getting a ticket? That is why it is estimated that getting one criminal off the street can stop dozens of crimes.
 
LAPD charged him incorrectly

Hi all,

I'm new to posting in this forum, in fact this is my very first post. The lot of you have helped me immensely when came to getting started reloading. So much that I joined the forum to give back what I've learned. It was just now that I read what the group opinion was on this event in LA. It seems like there is a bit of confusion about which laws were really broken. I was hoping to shed some light on the topic as I am very interested in the outcome on a personal level. Please read on if you're interested.

The man truly only had 16 guns with him, two of which were loaded. The assault weapon is an OLL AR, which is quite easy to modify so it is not an illegal assault weapon by Cali laws. As long as the magazine is not detachable without a tool , it can have any other "evil features" you like and not be classified as an illegal assault weapon. California law even specifies that a "bullet" is considered a tool. Google the Bullet Button and you'll find the mod. It might look illegal, but with the Bullet Button you're pretty much in the clear. Judging by what his wife said, he had one installed.

Unfortunately, the LAPD officers that inspected his cargo were not properly trained on how to identify an assault weapon. He didn't break that law, LAPD improperly enforced it.

As far as being in the airport, there are no laws that prohibit firearms except beyond the security checkpoint. But let's face it - you can't even bring a bottle of water past the checkpoint. I've shown up at the San Jose airport with a case containing a pistol, a shotgun, and ammo for both and checked them on my plane as baggage! There's no law against this as long as the guns are NOT loaded and you don't try to get them past the security checkpoint.

In my eyes as a gun owner in California, this man broke only 1 law. That is the law that says you are not allowed to transport a loaded weapon. Two of his weapons were loaded. This is a misdemeanor offense in Cali and does not warrant an arrest. But because of a lack of training of the officers, he was fingered as a felon. He is worthy of the same punishment he would get if he were caught speeding.

He entered his plea today of "not guilty" to all 11 counts pressed against him. My guess is it will all be thrown out of court if he has a decent attorney.

I'm following this case closely as I am a resident of California, a voter, and a gun owner. I even own the black rifles - legally. I agree that CA gun laws leave something to be desired, and I won't argue with the folks that poke fun at them. I admit it's frustrating. I have read about people wanting to leave the state because of the guns laws. This makes me sad because California is part of the United States of America. And the good 'ole USofA was not built by running away from our problems, but by standing up for what we believe in. If we don't like it we should fix it.

Just my 2 cents,
MovedWest
 
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In my eyes as a gun owner in California, this man broke only 1 law. That is the law that says you are not allowed to transport a loaded weapon. Two of his weapons were loaded. This is a misdemeanor offense in Cali and does not warrant an arrest. But because of a lack of training of the officers, he was fingered as a felon. He is worthy of the same punishment he would get if he were caught speeding.

He entered his plea today of "not guilty" to all 11 counts pressed against him. My guess is it will all be thrown out of court if he has a decent attorney.

I'm following this case closely as I am a resident of California, a voter, and a gun owner. I even own the black rifles - legally. I agree that CA gun laws leave something to be desired, and I won't argue with the folks that poke fun at them. I admit it's frustrating. I have read about people wanting to leave the state because of the guns laws. This makes me sad because California is part of the United States of America. And the good 'ole USofA was not built by running away from our problems, but by standing up for what we believe in. If we don't like it we should fix it.

Just my 2 cents,
MovedWest
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Thanks for the follow up Moved.
 
The only law he broke was being caught by a news crew on a quite day. Know that it has been all over the news the police are obligated to try for any conviction they can get. Otherwise the news will be back claiming this "Gun Crazed Maniac" got off Scott free.
Being under the news cameras left the police with no choice but to arrest him or be depicted as incompetent.

As per MovedWest the saga continues and it will probably be another month before he gets his day in court. MovedWest update is pretty much what I said a month ago.

See my post #16 on this thread.
 
Thanks for the update MoveWest. I've been trying to keep up.

Why haven't the charges been dropped yet if they've recognized their mistakes? Hope the guy gets attorney fees reimbursed when he wins.
 
Ok guys, I am as gun-loving and anti gun-control as the rest of you...but I would call the cops too if some guy pulled up with 37 guns in his truck's cab along with loaded mags. It's not that I care that he has guns, but what in the HELL is gonna do with 37 of them at an airport? I mean, sure 2-3 guns is normal to me, but 37 is rediculous. Where would you even put them all?
 
Ok guys, I am as gun-loving and anti gun-control as the rest of you...but I would call the cops too if some guy pulled up with 37 guns in his truck's cab along with loaded mags.
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Um...Why? What business it is of yours if someone has 37 or 2-3 guns? Or 37 Ipods? Why do you (or anyone else) get to decide what is normal to have with you? What part of "Shall not be infringed" do you not understand?
I really think that you need to re-examine your thoughts about gun control, because what you are stating is most certainly a pro gun control position.
 
For you guys who insist he was stupid because he broke the law and should have known better........

IF the Democrats pass a law that says you MUST voluntarily bring all of your guns and ammo to your local police department for immediate destruction, I want to see you be the first in line because, after all, it will be the law and you should know better if you decide to ignore it. If you talk the talk, you gotta walk the walk!
 
I mean, sure 2-3 guns is normal to me, but 37 is rediculous. Where would you even put them all?
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This exemplifies the sensationalism of the media and police when it comes to guns. The man turned out to only have 16 guns - 1 of which is black powder (IMO that shouldn't even count). How did they come up with 37? Of all the OOL's involved and not a ONE of them can count to 16?? How can we expect them to get the laws right?

...but I would call the cops too if some guy pulled up with 37 guns in his truck's cab along with loaded mags. It's not that I care that he has guns, but what in the HELL is gonna do with 37 of them at an airport?
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Second amendment rights do not quantify or specify. The right to bear arms is intended to be all-encompassing.

(I don't mean to pick on you RippinSVT... I'm just setting some facts straight.)

Why haven't the charges been dropped yet if they've recognized their mistakes? Hope the guy gets attorney fees reimbursed when he wins.
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I think they're trying to make some of the charges stick. Evidently because of the felony charges they were able to procure a search warrant for his home. They found a steroid there which was a controlled substance and charged him for that. It wasn't even marijuana or meth like you expect in California. It wouldn't be hard for me to believe there are liberal friends of the DA that want the courts to make an example of this fellow.

I did some research on the attorney he procured though. He's a know gun rights defender and has taken on way more serious charges than this guy has had thrown at him. He's also known for his pro bono work for clients. This will probably get thrown out, but I hope it goes to trial just so we can hear a judge publicly proclaim that what he did was perfectly legal. That will help the struggle for 2A rights.

Here are links to the story (updated Feb 5th) and a video from CBS from that day:

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/OC-Man-Charged-in-LAX-Guns-Incident.html

http://cbs2.com/video/[email protected]

-MovedWest
 
I watched the second vid and read the article and they are so biased i want to vomit

Her perfect 'illegal assault weapons' and 'he did have some liscences for some of his weapons'
 
I watched the second vid and read the article and they are so biased i want to vomit

Her perfect 'illegal assault weapons' and 'he did have some liscences for some of his weapons'
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Oh yeah... It definitely takes a strong stomach to watch. No matter what reporters say, they ARE biased.
 
MovedWest & MistWolf in particular: You are very High Road, very informative, and show how some (unnamed) others on this thread could conduct both their reading of the "evidence" such as it is, and their condemnation of a person who seems to have made a mistake in judgement, rather than commit a felony. I sincerely hope whatever court case comes from this incident, is a plus for the 2A rights of California. I was born and raised there, but won't ever go back. The thought presented to "stand and fight" is appropriate for those wishing to remain there. Good Luck!
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