Man with assault rifle joins crowds outside president's Phoenix venue

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The there was the other shmuck who parked his truck, with a firearm in it, and tried to get in to the mtg. He was eventually arrested. Lost his truck and gun.
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What did the schmuck do wrong? Is there a law in NH about not leaving a gun in a parked vehicle?

-Sam
 
So now you're condemning the whole open carry movement?
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There is no need in the 21st century to be walking around with a gun on the hip, frightening other people. That's just a desire to "play cowboys": pathetic.

Please don't take that as a personal attack on you. Just a condemnation of the way of thinking that you've expressed.

A knee-jerk 2nd amendment supporter does little good to "the cause" if his reason wavers half-way to a logical conclusion. I'd rather have a few million supporters who really understand the RIGHT to BEAR arms than ten million who sort of appreciate the privilege to own guns most of the time if it isn't politically troublesome.
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In a democracy, every vote counts. :uhoh:
 
The cop was right!!

This is Arizona!!
We have been an open carry state since 14 Feb 1912.
As long as the guy was on public property or on private that has been not posted "no firearms allowed" he was completely within his right to carry a weapon.

As for carrying in a private establishment, as long as it is not posted or a bar, he can enter with a weapon!!

I've witnessed some guy carry his 500 Nitro rifle into a connivence store. I often see people carrying handguns into grocery stores.

There is no need in the 21st century to be walking around with a gun on the hip, frightening other people. That's just a desire to "play cowboys": pathetic.
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The only people who become frightened are eastern snowbirds and my response is "Welcome to Arizona. Now go home!!!
 
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So reid, now you're condemning and ridiculing EVERY PERSON who carries?

I don't believe you should be here. YOu obviously don't support the second amendment. You obviously don't read statistics.
 
You have proven that you don't know much about Gottlieb. Keep typing away...
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I'm merely replying to the previous post that said he disagreed with the man who carried the slung rifle. That's entirely his right to disagree, but that does unfortunately mean he's not really debating the brady guy, if he AGREES with him that the guy shouldn't have carried his rifle there.
 
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I'm merely replying to the previous post that said he disagreed with the man who carried the slung rifle. That's entirely his right to disagree, but that does unfortunately mean he's not really debating the brady guy, if he AGREES with him that the guy shouldn't have carried his rifle there.
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Well, obviously, you didn't see the debate. He did quite well. I would not have replaced Gottlieb with any other debater. He represents pro-gun people fantastically. Try doing research (watch the debate) before you post on the topic you're talking about. If you're style is to speak off the topic of your head and ask questions later, then let me know so that I know.
 
Easy, fellas. This is getting close to getting personal, and we don't do that on my watch.

K?
 
I am sort of torn to this.On one hand it is good publicity to show that one can have and carry and have no violence result from it,it shows you can be responsible with it.However is it good judgment?

There is perception,and what you view as a good perspective another may not and in the constant battle for upholding gun rights those that are not active like you may be, you have to think about them and how will they perceive you.What will they think about a guy with a rifle at a event with the president and the event isn't even about a 2nd amendment issue?They may think you are wrong,and you may create someone who will now support a ban.

So far we have won the battle against new gun restrictions,alot of people who aren't even into guns don't want to be restricted.However it is a fine line in the public propaganda war against the anti's,and one must think how it can be turned against them in a propaganda war before demonstrating the full rights of the 2nd amendment.

You may want it to be like the Swiss or Israel where you walk into a mall with a AR on your back and nobody thinks the worst,however America isn't those countries,yes we can legally do so in cases but on the political battle of gun rights things need to be thought out about if you are gaining trust or actually hurting the cause.

There may be open carry in Arizona but the media made it national and whether that becomes good publicity or bad we will see because a few people are going to see it in bad taste carrying to a gathering that had the president there..
 
There is no need in the 21st century to be walking around with a gun on the hip, frightening other people. That's just a desire to "play cowboys": pathetic.

Please don't take that as a personal attack on you. Just a condemnation of the way of thinking that you've expressed.
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Oh, I don't, to be sure! I am intrigued, though. It is unusual to run into an anti-open-carry attitude here on THR of all places.

Cowboys? Frightening other people? Fascinating! So the right to bear arms is conditional based on which public place you happen to be? Or do you just feel that folks should restrict themselves though the right clearly exists?

This, probably should be meat for a different thread though. Care to start one? We could have quite a time of it! (Please do this! I can't WAIT!)

In a democracy, every vote counts.
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It does, but you asked if I (we...they...whichever) wanted to make folks face up to their beliefs. And yes I do. I'd hate to lose your vote, though I suspect that one way or another I wouldn't be, but I'd rather lose a few for the sake of strengthening the core.

-Sam
 
So the right to bear arms is conditional based on which public place you happen to be?
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No rights are unlimited. Try insisiting on your right to open carry the next time you visit a public place like a prison, or a kindergarden, or a naval base.
 
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I think this quote sums up this whole discussion quite well:

From: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/li...ault-rifle-and-pistol-outside-obama-event.php

Another man in Portsmouth was spotted carrying a gun in a leg holster outside the school. The unconcealed weapon was legal under New Hampshire law and he was not arrested. Later, when asked why he brought the gun, he replied, "That's not even a relevant question. The question is, why don't people bear arms these days?"
 
So far it is still legal for me to sit on a public bus bench and smoke a cig.However what if I sat next to 3 or 4 people on the bench who don't like smoke being in their face and I lit up and told them "well it is legal for me to do so and I'm making a point to show it"?

Those people on the bench might have thought before that someone has the right to smoke a cig in the open but after that stunt they might decide ban smoking on public bus benches.
 
Had to chime in here...

To some of the members out there (you know who you are)...

Please don't accuse other members of not supporting RKBA! We are all members of this forum because we all share the same passion for firearms. We may not all agree that the actions of this man were in the best interest of gun owners everywhere but that doesn't mean we need to start accusing each other of not being pro-gun enough:banghead:

The fact is we all are here because we support the right to gun ownership, that doesn't mean that we all have to agree on the same methods to protect that right. Some people may see what this man did as too extreme and others may see it as the right thing to do, still others may see his actions as not extreme enough. However you view it the fact remains that we are all still on the same side and nobody on here is saying that they don't support gun rights.

There's nothing wrong with a heated debate, but let's not forget that we all here because we share a passion for firearms:)
 
This thread is on fire!!!!

I don't have a problem with this guy, law abiding American excercising his right.

But some seem scared to death about how the media, an anti's percieve this...
a law abiding American excercising his right, like it or not. I saw this kind of debate
back in the mid 80's among Hunters...Guy's were making hunting videos to sell about
bow hunting, graphic kills on deer.....many Hunters were outraged, the media an anti's would use this to destroy an outlaw hunting forever, we have to maintain a better image
in front of the anti's an media, stop making these videos...we are afraid what might happen! But other Hunters said this is what hunting is, it can eduacate people an show
what Hunting really is.....guess what.....Hunting Videos are everywhere, they are now on TV an you can watch graphic bow hunt, Hunting has become more popular..IMO...
SOOOOO...I'm not concerned about a law abiding American caring his gun as this guy did. He didn't break the law, he didn't shoot anyone, I didn't see any little kids running an screaming in terror. A guy on the news with a gun that didn't shoot anyone, I'll take that as a good P.R.
 
So far it is still legal for me to sit on a public bus bench and smoke a cig.However what if I sat next to 3 or 4 people on the bench who don't like smoke being in their face and I lit up and told them "well it is legal for me to do so and I'm making a point to show it"?

Those people on the bench might have thought before that someone has the right to smoke a cig in the open but after that stunt they might decide ban smoking on public bus benches.
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There is a world of difference between blowing smoke in bystander's faces and Open Carry of a firearm. Let at least try to keep the arguments linear....
 
Your gun doesn't pollute the air others have to breathe.

A better analogy would be if you were sitting on the bench with a closed pack of cigarettes - not smoking - and the other folks had a fit because you simply had the cigarettes.

That's the reaction we're talking about here.

I applaud the guy for his courage in exercising his 1st Amend rights to making a political statement. Personally, I'm very disheartened by some of the reactions by others on this forum to what he did. No wonder "gun people" are so stigmatized in many segments of our society. Like the old saying goes: With friends like that, who needs enemies?
 
I dunno is there that much of a difference between carrying a AR-15 to a event with the president and my cigarette analogy?There will be people turned off by this,I'm just saying.
 
I dunno is there that much of a difference between carrying a AR-15 to a event with the president and my cigarette analogy?There will be people turned off by this,I'm just saying.
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But one involves a quantifiable 'assault', if you will - the other does not. You are equating a potential risk (person with a firearm) with an actual risk (person blowing smoke in my face).

Our job should be to AID others in critical thought - not adopting their muddled thinking...
 
quote" Personally, I'm very disheartened by some of the reactions by others on this forum to what he did. No wonder "gun people" are so stigmatized in many segments of our society. Like the old saying goes: With friends like that, who needs enemies?"

Wonderful.:rolleyes:
 
nwilliams said:
Had to chime in here...

To some of the members out there (you know who you are)...

Please don't accuse other members of not supporting RKBA! We are all members of this forum because we all share the same passion for firearms. We may not all agree that the actions of this man were in the best interest of gun owners everywhere but that doesn't mean we need to start accusing each other of not being pro-gun enough

The fact is we all are here because we support the right to gun ownership, that doesn't mean that we all have to agree on the same methods to protect that right. Some people may see what this man did as too extreme and others may see it as the right thing to do, still others may see his actions as not extreme enough. However you view it the fact remains that we are all still on the same side and nobody on here is saying that they don't support gun rights.

There's nothing wrong with a heated debate, but let's not forget that we all here because we share a passion for firearms
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Yeah, it's a strange phenomenon.

Here's another scenario. Someone from the crowd reaches for the guy's gun and manages to shoot and kill another person at the rally. I'm not anti-gun if I say the guy shouldn't have brought the gun in the first place.

Some people are quick to say someone is anti-gun just because that person doesn't agree with certain legal actions with a gun. Just because something is legal doesn't mean that I automatically agree it should be done. It would have been legal for this guy with the gun to dress up in baggy jeans with his boxers showing and tattoos all over the place. I don't have to agree with that action. That doesn't make me anti-gun.
 
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quote"But one involves a quantifiable 'assault', if you will - the other does not. You are equating a potential risk (person with a firearm) with an actual risk (person blowing smoke in my face).

Our job should be to AID others in critical thought - not adopting their muddled thinking... "

I understand what you are saying,however even if the guy was not a risk,he is going to be portrayed as one by some.Whether that is successful or not I don't know.
 
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