R.W.Dale
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That is never going to happen. Calm down.
I'm as calm, cold and as cynical about it as I can be.
Are you keeping an eye on the same post 911 government as I am?
That is never going to happen. Calm down.
Actually, kidnappings were fairly common at that time.Was there a rash of disappearances after the Lindbergh Kidnapping? I honestly don't know, but if there was ever an impact due to obsessive media coverage to be found, that would be it; it was practically the first one of these 'celebrity tragedy' stories that seem to dominate news cycles any more.
This doesn't address the weapons or use thereof, just the responsibility of the press (no need for legislation, they need to self-regulate as a social and public responsibility IMO).
I would like to see some states honor and hear civil lawsuits against media outlets for over publicizing these shootings.
Quote:"We need a legally armed non LEO stepping in and ending one of these mass shootings one day IMO."
We did.
Clackamas.
It is debatable if Clackamas was actually stopped by the CCW holder Nick Meli. Mr. Meli did not shoot for fear of a bystander behind the shooter, the proper thing to do. However the presence of another armed adversary may have contributed to Robert's decision to commit suicide at that point, or it may have been because his AR jammed.
Also, mental health checks aren't going to help. At Clackamas, the AR was stolen. Same with Sandy Hook.
Limiting handgun purchases to 1 a month won't help: VA already had that law in place when the Virginia Tech shootings happened.
I would like to see some states honor and hear civil lawsuits against media outlets for over publicizing these shootings. I bet that the first couple that have several multi million dollar judgments awarded will bring that to a screeching halt! No legislation needed, just a jury willing to recognize the problems they are perpetuating.Let that be a trend after mass shootings.
We are going to have to do something, we cannot continue to ignore these incidents.
We have never stopped the murderers, what we need to do is stop pretending we can and assess our risk with human nature. We can and do kill each other. As long as humans are on the face of earth, we will. We need to conduct ourself accordingly, not empower government to make things worse.
Your exactly right Paul. The other day a radio host on one of the shows I listen to went through 6 or 7 of the big shootings, they were all in "gun free zones". He also had some good points about these guys being cowards. They always shoot themselves at the first sign that some resistance is forming against them, be it cops, citizens, or whatever...they're very afraid of a fair fight.I agree PH. The problem is they seem to coincidentally occur in gun free zones, making it impossible for someone who obeys the law to do anything to help.
FiguresWe have had several such incidents where armed citizens stopped a mass shooting -- at a law school in Virginia, in Mississippi, and in a fairly recent mall shooting. And you're right -- they got swept under the rug.
How are you going to articulate this as a spokesperson or political candidate at a press conference after a shooting during an election year? The other guy is going to tell that slightly big half of the population that he will do X Y and then Z to make them "feel" more secure, the part of the population that votes security over liberty historically.
Your message that we cannot do anything (while absolutely correct IMO) is going to get your candidacy and agenda bitch slapped into the weeds at the ballot box.
THE FACTS DONT MATTER
We need to fight fire with fire. If the anti's have an absolutely bogus and ineffective message that's being bought hook line and sinker we need something similar to make us look like the proverbial good guy. Merely stating "it won't help" just makes you look cold hearted and uncaring to the voters repelled by that kind of perception.
george burns said:mental examinations for anyone who attends an institute of higher education.
If we did that, grass would grow in the commons at Harvard and 99% of the professors at Ivy League universities would be institutionalized.Armed Guards in all schools and mental examinations for anyone who attends an institute of higher education.
Yeah, what's Carrot Job up to these days? Drooling on his jammies, or he supposed to be coherent, now? FWIW, there are actually very few intact survivors who've run amok; they are either killed, kill themselves, lapse into unconsciousness, suffer an altered personality, or have no memory of events afterward in many cases. It's almost like these events are the person's brain self-destructing, or something like a seizure. I think the few guys who could give a coherent picture of what was going through their minds would be the unrepentant sociopathic monsters like terrorists or war criminals.Has anyone asked the Aurora, CO shooter?
I'll just assume you're being facetious...Armed Guards in all schools and mental examinations for anyone who attends an institute of higher education.