Steve Smith
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MsLokNLoad, Frontier has better wind barriers. I'll be going over there on Sun and also during the week for some prone practice. I'll let you in the gate and you can shoot your target there.
May Mail in Match for Fellow THR Members
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MsLokNLoad
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No better way to spend Mother's Day. Just let me know a time. Thank you! 
ReadyontheRight
Member
A "royal flush" is 10-Jack-Queen-King-Ace of the same suit - Clubs in this case. All are in this target. That is the top hand in poker (with no wild cards and only 4-of-a-kind possible) and the top hand here.
Because moving your point of aim is presumed to be more difficult than hitting the same spot 5X, a straight flush will beat 5 of a kind in this match. I've never figured out how that works in Poker. A straight flush is any straight in this match and scores 100 points - beating 5 of a kind - which scores 95 points. The high card in a straight flush determines the tie-breaker. An Ace-High Flush is a Royal Flush and a winner.
Royal Flush ties will be broken by
1. Past Scores in Mail in Match events
2. Quality of compelling RKBA arguments espoused in www.thehighroad.org and www.thefiringline.com
3. Number of public thank-yous posted to Oleg Volk for running this site
4. Documented ability to agree with opinions posted by match judge (me - ROTR)
5. Number of posts on THR -- so post early and post often.
Thanks all for the help answering poker and rules questions! Tell your friends about the match and get them out shooting. That's the best thing you can do to support RKBA and our Bill of Rights!
P.S. After the straight flushes, 5 Aces beat 5 Kings; 5 Kings beat 5 Queens, etc.
WhoKnowsWho
Member
1. Past Scores in Mail in Match events: I might actually have time to try this one.
2. Quality of compelling RKBA arguments espoused in www.thehighroad.org and www.thefiringline.com: My Signiature line sums up one point to argue on.
3. Number of public thank-yous posted to Oleg Volk for running this site: Thanks! Don't know where I would be without this site.
4. Documented ability to agree with opinions posted by match judge (me - ROTR): Whatever you say.
5. Number of posts on THR -- so post early and post often.: +1 for me!
2. Quality of compelling RKBA arguments espoused in www.thehighroad.org and www.thefiringline.com: My Signiature line sums up one point to argue on.
3. Number of public thank-yous posted to Oleg Volk for running this site: Thanks! Don't know where I would be without this site.
4. Documented ability to agree with opinions posted by match judge (me - ROTR): Whatever you say.
5. Number of posts on THR -- so post early and post often.: +1 for me!
El Rojo
Member
What about number of words typed in critism of the Mail in Match and then number of targets submitted for MiM? Those should go right under number 1. Or whatever ROTR says.
Okiecruffler
Member
Just finished mine
It isn't as easy as I thought. I used my Rossi M88 for the stock class, so I knew I was fighting an uphill battle with that one, but I thought my Striker would be a breeze for the scoped class. Forgot how hard that thing is to hold steady without a rest.
But here's some of my thinking. To get a flush, you would have to hit five different cards. This actually hurts my score, but you can't have a flush and a pair in a real poker hand.
I would love to see this one repeated some time in the future, say as a 50 yrd rimfire match. Now that would be a challange.
This was the best target so far. Four people came up to me at the range to see what I was doing. A BIG THANKS to ROTR for taking the time to mess with this.
It isn't as easy as I thought. I used my Rossi M88 for the stock class, so I knew I was fighting an uphill battle with that one, but I thought my Striker would be a breeze for the scoped class. Forgot how hard that thing is to hold steady without a rest.
But here's some of my thinking. To get a flush, you would have to hit five different cards. This actually hurts my score, but you can't have a flush and a pair in a real poker hand.
I would love to see this one repeated some time in the future, say as a 50 yrd rimfire match. Now that would be a challange.
This was the best target so far. Four people came up to me at the range to see what I was doing. A BIG THANKS to ROTR for taking the time to mess with this.
ReadyontheRight
Member
If you hit five cards with five shots, I'll count it as a flush.
Glad you like the target Okiecruffler! Maybe we'll have to do a similar one for rifles.
ACP230
Member
I shot some poker targets today proving that:
1. I am no poker player.
2. These targets are harder than they look!
1. I am no poker player.
2. These targets are harder than they look!
photo_guy
Member
This was my first attempt at one of these match targets. It was, indeed, harder than it looks.
I decided to 'go for the royal' but did not get it. I started with the 10, my thinking was that it is near the center if I missed the 10 I would likely hit the J,Q,K,A nearby and get another shot at the 10 later. It might have worked if I were as good a shot as I thought I was<G>.
I decided to 'go for the royal' but did not get it. I started with the 10, my thinking was that it is near the center if I missed the 10 I would likely hit the J,Q,K,A nearby and get another shot at the 10 later. It might have worked if I were as good a shot as I thought I was<G>.
braindead0
Member
So, when's the cuttoff date for these targets, and can I scan and email?
Thirties
Member
These targets are much harder than they look. You do not have a central spot to aim at is one reason.
R_O-T-R, I just shot my target today and will send it from the post office first thing Tuesday morning. Please get it on time (grin).
R_O-T-R, I just shot my target today and will send it from the post office first thing Tuesday morning. Please get it on time (grin).
ReadyontheRight
Member
E-mail to [email protected]. Scan to a .jpg please.
Cutoff for classic mail is RECEIVED in Minnesota 5/31/03.
braindead0
Member
Will do high compression as well, the quality probably isn't too important..as long as you can see the score ;-)
ReadyontheRight
Member
Yes -- please write in your score. Ties go to the shooter. Thanks!
El Rojo
Member
I am upset!!!
Hey Boys and Girls, I just went and shot this month's match. Man am I upset. I decided to shoot the Colt 1911 .45 ACP first. I did Ok. I won't mention what I got at this time. Then I shot my Glock 27. I was so mad. My first two shots were on. First one in the Ace, 2nd one in the King. Then I am squeezing off the...bang! I wasn't ready for that. The hole is 1/8" to the right of the Queen!!! :banghead: So I say screw it. Next two shots placed very nicely in the Jack and 10. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
It gets worse. I get my Taurus PT 92C ready to shoot. I decide to see where it is hitting so I shoot a practice shot off the target. For some reason after gun goes off and I feel particles splatter my face. I am thinking that is odd to get back blast. Everything seemed to cycle fine. I go to shoot again, the trigger did not reset. I am looking at the gun and I notice the bar that goes along the side of these 92FS type models seems to be sticking out about 1/8" away from the side of the slide. That doesn't look quite right. I unload the gun and take off the slide. Sure enough that bar on the side is off and the trigger will pull, but then it stays still. You have to manually cock the hammer and it will shoot, but then it doesn't reset. I figure I am screwed so I say to heck with it. I had the locking block break on this gun a few years back, sent it back to Taurus, they fixed it for free and shipped it back. So I figure I can just have them fix it again.
I printed three targets, one for each of my handguns. I have a target left. Being a regular THR member, I never feel comfortable going shooting without brining along a full size battle rifle for "what ifs". Mainly I don't want to get stuck in a gun fight with just my pistols, so I will always take my M1 Garand or my M1A along with me. Today the M1 Garand went along. So I figured, what the heck. I can just enter it in the open class. What??? No open class this month! Can I consider it a pistol with a barrel greater than 6"??? No! There is no justice in this world!
The good news is I got home and took the Taurus apart. I took off the right hand grip and just pushed that bar in and it works again! I also found the case for that round. It had a rupture at the base. At least I lived and at least the gun was easily fixed.
So the real question is, since I got a whole lot of nothing on my Glock 27 target, but I am submitting it for scoring, are we still keeping the lowest score for the month? I still don't agree with that. I am being punished for shooting more than one gun. Can anyone else support me on this one? We should be rewarded for shooting multiple guns. Only getting to keep my lowest score makes me not want to shoot multiple guns or just lie about it. Come on guys, get ROTR to change his mind! Can we take a vote?
Hey Boys and Girls, I just went and shot this month's match. Man am I upset. I decided to shoot the Colt 1911 .45 ACP first. I did Ok. I won't mention what I got at this time. Then I shot my Glock 27. I was so mad. My first two shots were on. First one in the Ace, 2nd one in the King. Then I am squeezing off the...bang! I wasn't ready for that. The hole is 1/8" to the right of the Queen!!! :banghead: So I say screw it. Next two shots placed very nicely in the Jack and 10. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
It gets worse. I get my Taurus PT 92C ready to shoot. I decide to see where it is hitting so I shoot a practice shot off the target. For some reason after gun goes off and I feel particles splatter my face. I am thinking that is odd to get back blast. Everything seemed to cycle fine. I go to shoot again, the trigger did not reset. I am looking at the gun and I notice the bar that goes along the side of these 92FS type models seems to be sticking out about 1/8" away from the side of the slide. That doesn't look quite right. I unload the gun and take off the slide. Sure enough that bar on the side is off and the trigger will pull, but then it stays still. You have to manually cock the hammer and it will shoot, but then it doesn't reset. I figure I am screwed so I say to heck with it. I had the locking block break on this gun a few years back, sent it back to Taurus, they fixed it for free and shipped it back. So I figure I can just have them fix it again.
I printed three targets, one for each of my handguns. I have a target left. Being a regular THR member, I never feel comfortable going shooting without brining along a full size battle rifle for "what ifs". Mainly I don't want to get stuck in a gun fight with just my pistols, so I will always take my M1 Garand or my M1A along with me. Today the M1 Garand went along. So I figured, what the heck. I can just enter it in the open class. What??? No open class this month! Can I consider it a pistol with a barrel greater than 6"??? No! There is no justice in this world!
The good news is I got home and took the Taurus apart. I took off the right hand grip and just pushed that bar in and it works again! I also found the case for that round. It had a rupture at the base. At least I lived and at least the gun was easily fixed.
So the real question is, since I got a whole lot of nothing on my Glock 27 target, but I am submitting it for scoring, are we still keeping the lowest score for the month? I still don't agree with that. I am being punished for shooting more than one gun. Can anyone else support me on this one? We should be rewarded for shooting multiple guns. Only getting to keep my lowest score makes me not want to shoot multiple guns or just lie about it. Come on guys, get ROTR to change his mind! Can we take a vote?
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photo_guy
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I hate to tell ya this El Rojo but your target in your picture does not have a straight flush(as written on the target). It is just a flush. The cards must be in an uninterupted sequence to be a straight flush and you have 7,....10,J,Q,K.
You needed 9,10,J,Q,K for a straight flush or, better yet, 10,J,Q,K,A for a royal flush.
You needed 9,10,J,Q,K for a straight flush or, better yet, 10,J,Q,K,A for a royal flush.
El Rojo
Member
Well I hate to tell you photo guy, but the hole in the 7 is going through both the Jack and the 7. Notice how the cards overlap? That low shot is actually going through both. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
Thirties
Member
"Well I hate to tell you photo guy, but the hole in the 7 is going through both the Jack and the 7. Notice how the cards overlap? That low shot is actually going through both. Someone correct me if I am wrong."
El Rojo, if the way you scored your target is correct, then it would be very easy to get straight flushes. Here's another vote for no overlapping.
Do you want to see five aces?
El Rojo, if the way you scored your target is correct, then it would be very easy to get straight flushes. Here's another vote for no overlapping.
Do you want to see five aces?
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photo_guy
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Well, If hitting cards that are under other cards is OK then I didn't score my targets correctly. I did not interpret the rules to allow non-visable hits. [Kinda made sense that the target area for the high cards was smaller than that for the low cards in the front.]
Judges [Readyonthe right]- we need a ruling on this.
Judges [Readyonthe right]- we need a ruling on this.
El Rojo
Member
Check out the very first post by ROTR.
If we couldn't use overlapping hits, I don't think ROTR would have said it was shooter's choice in order to make up for last month's target, nor I would he have specifically mentioned, "notice that the cards overlap." Rescore your target Photo Guy!
photo_guy
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"You will notice that the cards overlap. "
Yes, I did see that but I read it more as a warning to "watch out, the area is smaller" than as you interpreted it. The following statement about "cut across more than one card" made sense separately since this is standard target scoring practice.
Perhaps you are correct. It was still fun no matter what. Now that the rules are sorted out I'd like to try it again at some point.
[BTW - if overlaped hits are acceptable then the target you posted does have a royal flush, not just a straight flush!]
Oh, and I'd rescore my target if I still had it!
Yes, I did see that but I read it more as a warning to "watch out, the area is smaller" than as you interpreted it. The following statement about "cut across more than one card" made sense separately since this is standard target scoring practice.
Perhaps you are correct. It was still fun no matter what. Now that the rules are sorted out I'd like to try it again at some point.
[BTW - if overlaped hits are acceptable then the target you posted does have a royal flush, not just a straight flush!]
Oh, and I'd rescore my target if I still had it!
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el rojo - that argument seems a little weak to me, i took the overlaping to mean if you hit two cards in the grey area with say a 45 slug example between the 10-9. just like hitting the scoring circle on a regular target.
all i can say is overllapping corners should score as the card they hit not the one under them. it makes it all the more challenging that way. less area for each card, less problems as well with hit the 7 count as 7.
now as for the 30-06 pistol, i sure hope thats not your ccw rig.
craig
all i can say is overllapping corners should score as the card they hit not the one under them. it makes it all the more challenging that way. less area for each card, less problems as well with hit the 7 count as 7.
now as for the 30-06 pistol, i sure hope thats not your ccw rig.
craig
Steve Smith
Moderator Emeritus
The way ROTR phrased the "overlapping" statement, is seems like El Rojo should get the Ace AND the Jack. Now, in the future, I agree that stipulating that overlapped cards not be scored is the proper way to do it.
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