'Mayors Against Illegal Guns' Preparing Their Assault

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'Mayors Against Illegal Guns' Preparing Their Assault
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Senior Editor
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200610/CUL20061026a.html

(CNSNews.com) - More than one hundred of the nation's mayors are breathing new life into the gun control movement.

The "Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition," a bipartisan group of 109 mayors in 44 states, is meeting Thursday in Chicago to "share strategies in the fight against illegal guns."

According to the coalition's website, those strategies include "how to work with local law enforcement agencies and state representatives to maximize penalties for those who possess, use and traffic in illegal guns."

The discussion also will focus on information sharing and "best practices on enforcement and legislative issues."

Two more "working groups" will meet in November, first in Boston, then in Atlanta.

Boston Mayor Thomas Menino and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg are leading the city-level effort to "take illegal guns off the street."

They accuse the federal government of gutting the "essential programs" needed to keep city residents safe; and they insist they "will not allow our streets to turn into war zones."

The three regional meetings, beginning with the one today in Chicago, are intended to lay the foundation for a national summit of anti-gun mayors in January. That's when the mayors plans to launch "the first-ever coordinated, national effort to convince Congress to take ideology out of law enforcement." (Endorse the gun control agenda, in other words.)

"More than 100 mayors across our country have stood up to say, enough is enough -- illegal guns don't belong on our streets," Mayor Bloomberg said on in a message on the website of the Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition.

"Illegal guns have nothing to do with the Second Amendment. This isn't about ideology -- it's about law enforcement. When Washington makes bad decisions to protect criminals rather than the public, our cities bear the tragic consequences. Together we're sending a message to our national leaders that we will not be silent on this issue," Bloomberg said.

The coalition says 109 mayors have signed its Statement of Principles, which was drawn up in April, when the coalition was launched.

The Statement of Principles calls for stricter enforcement of gun laws and increased penalties for criminals who possess, use, and traffic in illegal guns.

The mayors who sign the document agree to oppose restrictions on cities' efforts to access and share gun-trace data; and they agree to support the development of technologies that theoretically would help detect and trace illegal guns.

Pending federal legislation would permanently block the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives from publicly releasing information that traces guns back to their original point of sale.

The Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition opposes the bill restricting access to gun-trace data (H.R. 5005) and considers its defeat a priority.

Second Amendment groups says anti-gun groups want to use the gun-trace data in civil lawsuits against the firearms industry.

Go after criminals

The National Rifle Association says the mayoral efforts are too much talk and too little action.

"Mike Bloomberg, if you really want to stop violent crime, you don't need to spend taxpayer's money to throw parties for mayors and hold seminars and schedule photo ops...and act like violent crime is some new problem with some secret solution," said NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre at the NRA's annual meeting in May.

"It's real simple. If you want to get crime off your streets, get criminals off your streets," LaPierre said. "Here's what you do," he said in remarks addressed to Mayor Bloomberg:

"Walk down to Town Hall and tell your prosecuting attorneys that from now on, no plea bargains, no reduced charges, no dropped cases. A drug dealer caught with a gun goes to jail. A violent felon caught with a gun goes to jail. Discharge a gun in commission of a felony, go to jail. Smuggle a gun, go to jail. If you do that, if you stop talking and start acting, your violent crime rate will drop 30 to 40 to 50 percent in one year."
 
Simple answer:

Felons who have guns are already breaking the law. People who carry guns in Chicago and Boston without a license to do so are already breaking the law.

Criminals do both anyway, IGNORING THE LAWS.

And someone needs to stand up at one of their press conferences about the asinine "tracing" and ask how that works for revolvers.

And LaPierre is right.

A drug dealer caught with a gun goes to jail. A violent felon caught with a gun goes to jail. Discharge a gun in commission of a felony, go to jail.

That WOULD work. But Boston is so soft on criminals that it might as well treat them to a day spa and dinner when they're arrested. And they wonder why they have so many. Punks with rap sheets pages long, assault, robbery, armed robbery, etc...are right back out on the street with bragging rights for their homies. And they do it again. And again. And again.
 
When Washington makes bad decisions to protect criminals rather than the public, our cities bear the tragic consequences.

What about New York and Boston making those bad decisions?

I've got a question. Say the whole premise is true that criminals get their guns from out-of-state dealers and straw purchasers.

WHY do they come BACK to New York with the guns? Seems like a hassle, doesn't it? What's the appeal of New York to those who intend to commit violent crime? Must be something, right?:rolleyes:
 
I think the best way to counter this is simply to point out that these big city mayors are being politicians as we'd expect. They're trying to blame problems in their cities on anyone but themselves and their constituents, preferably on people who live in other states far away geographically and culturally from their cities, so local prejudices can be harnessed effectively.
 
A drug dealer caught with a gun goes to jail. A violent felon caught with a gun goes to jail. Discharge a gun in commission of a felony, go to jail. Smuggle a gun, go to jail. If you do that, if you stop talking and start acting, your violent crime rate will drop 30 to 40 to 50 percent in one year."
And while we are at it,,, why not turn prisons into what they should be! Deterrents from commiting crime. Recidivism is so high because jails are too comfortable IMHO... I volunteer at several prisons for addiction services meetings to try to be a part of the solution, so I see what goes on.
 
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Meanwhile, how the rest of America will hear of this:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-10-25-mayors-guns_x.htm?csp=34

Mayors unite to get guns off the street
Posted 10/25/2006 11:17 PM ET
By Martha T. Moore, USA TODAY

A coalition of mayors meets Thursday in Chicago to exchange strategies for fighting illegal guns and for winning tougher state and federal gun laws.

"A large majority of Americans want some form of common-sense gun legislation," Chicago Mayor Richard Daley said Wednesday at the kickoff for a regional strategy session of Mayors Against Illegal Guns. "They don't want irresponsible dealers to be allowed to sell guns in bulk to gang-bangers."

The group was organized in April by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Boston Mayor Thomas Menino and includes 109 cities in 44 states, among them Los Angeles, Denver, Little Rock, Miami, Atlanta, St. Louis, Omaha, Dallas, Pittsburgh and Seattle.

Mayors say they struggle to stem the flow of guns from states with lax gun laws.

"I'm the one that had to call a little girl's mom when her daughter got shot in the face, because she was in the wrong place riding her bike between two rival gangs," says Mayor Douglas Palmer of Trenton, N.J.

When the phone rings at Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett's house on Saturday morning, "everybody in the family knows that means that someone got killed on Friday night," he says.

The city officials meeting today will discuss strategies to get guns off the street:

•In Milwaukee, Barrett met in May with a local gun dealer whose shop sold more guns used in crimes than any other dealer in the USA, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). The dealer, Badger Outdoors in West Milwaukee, agreed to install security cameras and ban the use of cellphones (so that "straw buyers," purchasing guns for people who can't pass background checks, can't communicate with those they are buying for.)

•In Trenton, police set up checkpoints to search cars for illegal guns. Of 375 guns confiscated last year, Palmer says, half came from Pennsylvania, where laws are less restrictive than in New Jersey.

•New York City sued 15 gun dealers in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Virginia in May for allowing straw purchases. Private investigators hired by the city posed as gun buyers and wore hidden cameras.

Five of the dealers have settled the lawsuit and agreed to supervision by a court-appointed monitor. Two dealers have sued the city. New York's undercover operation isn't likely to be tried by smaller cities, though. "I just don't have the team of people and the money to do that," Palmer says.

The mayors' immediate goal is to defeat proposed federal legislation that would permanently prohibit disclosure of gun-tracing data by the ATF. Once available to cities and police departments, the national database has been restricted by Congress every year since 2003. The data had been used by police departments to figure out where crime guns come from. The House of Representatives has passed the bill; its prospects in the Senate are uncertain.

The National Rifle Association says cities should enforce existing gun laws.

"You can have press conferences all day," says Wayne LaPierre, NRA executive vice president. "Until you provide 100% enforcement of the existing laws, (criminals are) going to laugh at you, and ... go about their business."

and

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/112071,CST-NWS-daley26.article

'We're not going to take it anymore'
Coalition of mayors calls for 'common sense' gun laws

October 26, 2006
BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter

Mayor Daley, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and their counterparts from across the country gathered in Chicago on Wednesday to share their "successes and frustrations" in the never-ending war against gun violence.
The daylong meeting scheduled for today at Chicago's 911 center is the first of three strategy sessions planned by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, an organization formed last spring by Bloomberg and Boston Mayor Thomas Menino.

'NRA is really worried'
Bloomberg used this week's execution-style murder of Maywood Police Officer Thomas Wood, 37, as a call to arms for "common sense" gun laws. He called it Wood's "unfinished work ... It's what we owe to his memory."
Asked how a coalition of mayors could possibly counter the political muscle and money of the National Rifle Association, Bloomberg said, "I don't think the NRA is winning. I think the NRA is really worried that, for the first time, mayors who represent ... tens of millions of people in this country are coming together and saying, 'We're not going to take it anymore.' "

Daley's gun control proposals have, for the most part, been shot down by the General Assembly. He suffered a crushing blow in 2004 when his pioneering lawsuit against the gun industry was dismissed by the Illinois Supreme Court.

A 'counterweight'
Daley described the coalition of 109 mayors from 44 states as a "counterweight" to a pro-gun lobby that has had a "disproportionate influence" on federal gun policies.
"We're spending all of our time and effort trying to defeat legislation" that would tie the hands of police officers when it comes to tracing guns used in crimes, Daley said.

"That is a waste of our time," he said.
 
Welcome to the U.M.A. = United Mayors of America... Where do individual City Mayors get of trying legislate federal laws? If the mayors don't like what is going on then they should have to do what I have to do... Vote individually as 1 citizen on all levels from local elections on up to national. It goes to show you people that are voted into power really do think they are more important than you and me. Would someone please point out to them that They are hijacking our government?
 
•In Trenton, police set up checkpoints to search cars for illegal guns. Of 375 guns confiscated last year, Palmer says, half came from Pennsylvania, where laws are less restrictive than in New Jersey.
To me it sounds like it violates this;

Amendment IV [ Annotations ]
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
 
I sincerely hope that after Menino has repeatedly insulted my state by blaming it for illegal guns, NH's state legislature follows onto its previous statement suggesting that perhaps MA simply needs to control its criminals. This time, I think they ought to just bluntly tell him to get stuffed.
 
Sounds like someone needs to sue in Federal court.

In Trenton, police set up checkpoints to search cars for illegal guns. Of 375 guns confiscated last year, Palmer says, half came from Pennsylvania, where laws are less restrictive than in New Jersey
 
The "Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition," a bipartisan group of 109 mayors in 44 states, is meeting Thursday in Chicago to "share strategies in the fight against illegal guns."

Maybe they should interest themselves in criminals instead of "illegal guns," whatever exactly those might be.

Naaagh! Too much trouble for leftist extremists.
 
"You can have press conferences all day," says Wayne LaPierre, NRA executive vice president. "Until you provide 100% enforcement of the existing laws, (criminals are) going to laugh at you, and ... go about their business."

BAM!!! WTG Wayne! How's that for the final sentence to totally pound sand in every argument that was made by these idiot mayors. Luckily, none of them are my mayor or they would be getting 2 or 3 emails a week!
 
'Mayors Against Illegal Guns' Preparing Their Assault

I'm writing my congress critters to have them immediately ban the assault weapons these mayors are using!
 
WHY do they come BACK to New York with the guns? Seems like a hassle, doesn't it? What's the appeal of New York to those who intend to commit violent crime? Must be something, right?

They go back to sell them. It's basic supply and demand. The criminals in NY need guns.. that means someone is going to supply them. The easiest way is to buy them out of state and bring them back to NY and sell them on the street. Just like drugs or anything else.. if there is a demand for something (legal or illegal), someone is going to step in and fill the void.
 
Just like drugs or anything else.. if there is a demand for something (legal or illegal), someone is going to step in and fill the void.
Which, of course, means only the cops and BGs are armed.
 
Latest strategy

Brady and friends have failed miserably at the federal level trying impact legislation.

Now Brady and her big backers, McKelvey and Soros, have shifted the focus to local regulation. They have zero impact on Federal regulations and the whole gun control issue has become a non-starter for elections, so go somewhere else to hand out your money and press releases, where you know you'll receive a positive welcome.

The obedient big city reporters will never ask the mayors about actually jailing criminals with guns because that would uncover their ineptitude at actually dealing with gang crime in their cities. They will never ask about their armed bodyguards because reporters feel that "important" people like mayors are entitled to protection. Nor will they ask about why Chicago has such a horrendous murder rate with a complete gun ban. The answer from Daley is, "It's Indiana's fault, they have lax gun laws and actually allow their citizens to carry guns every day".

It couldn't be the gang violence that Daley won't/can't control because if he did what is really needed to do, he'd lose several African-American and Latino aldermen's support and leave the door wide open for Jesse Jackson Jr.'s mayoral bid.

Will any of the big city papers pick up Wayne LP's honest and aggressive response on actually jailing criminals with guns? Don't hold your breath.

The mayors like Daley and Bloomberg have had to push property taxes to the limit (up 65% in one year in Chicago) to pay for their social programs and corruption. The need to distract the news people and general public with some imaginary villain and guns are always a safe subject for them since they know the big city papers will suppport any "common sense" gun control measures.

I expect a series of these "feelgood" news conferences before some eager young reporter actually starts asking what they have achieved.
 
They just want honest people to surrender there guns.

Free Pass

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...212007F80D4?OpenDocument&highlight=2,"parole"

In four years, Timothy J., 20, has been arrested 12 times for 27 felonies and three misdemeanors. Although he has been sentenced to almost 50 years in prison, he has served fewer than two years.

— Anthony M., 42, has been arrested 32 times on 39 felony charges and nine misdemeanor charges. He has 11 felony convictions, plus two weapons cases pending.

— Julius W., 29, has been arrested 23 times, 18 times while on probation.

What's wrong with this picture
 
Those liberal sewers could use a 20 strikes and you're finally out law. :rolleyes:

But I don't see anything even that lenient being passed in those cesspools. Big city politicians are just as criminal as the thugs, only they wear suits instead of doo rags and gang colors.
 
Sounds like someone needs to sue in Federal court.

Quote:
In Trenton, police set up checkpoints to search cars for illegal guns. Of 375 guns confiscated last year, Palmer says, half came from Pennsylvania, where laws are less restrictive than in New Jersey

Lies Damn Lies and Statistics:

Trenton is 5 minutes across the river from Pennsylvania, How many of the folks these guns were confiscated from had a Pennsylvania plate on their car and were visiting Trenton, to buy drugs, or drink?????

Of the 375 how many felony arrests and convictions were there 0???

Of the 375 how many were taken from citizens with no prior record?

0???

How many were taken from felons with a prior record?????


What is the No 1 gun shop with crime guns traced to it for NYC???

Could it be the big gun shop in NYC thats run by retired NYC police officers,
The one where you have to show a NYC gun permit or your Badge to get in and even look at a gun?????

YES IT IS.


Why arent they arresting and jailing repeat violent offenders?????
 
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