jmbg29
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The public school system needs to be dismantled.
Enough, is enough!
Commie Maggots!
Enough, is enough!
Commie Maggots!
Ayn Rand "The Fountainhead"
(ME) Teachers Harassing Soldiers' Children
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UnknownSailor
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I think this makes it obvious we need, no, must eradicate the educational bias currently present in our places of higher education.
Do these liberals have any shame?
Do these liberals have any shame?
4570Rick
Member
If there was ever a case for public humiliation, this is it.
We should bring back stocks, and these miscreants should be the first to reintroduce this great form of punishment.
We should bring back stocks, and these miscreants should be the first to reintroduce this great form of punishment.
DadOfThree
Member
My kids would never step foot on those school grounds again. I would not rest until the teachers involved were fired or the school board members who refused to fire them were booted from the school board.
I would like to see these yellow slimebag weasels address the National Guard members directly instead of going after 7 - 9 yr olds. I am so disgusted I can't even begin to say what I think of these pinheads without getting banned from THR.
I would like to see these yellow slimebag weasels address the National Guard members directly instead of going after 7 - 9 yr olds.
I am so disgusted I can't even begin to say what I think of these pinheads without getting banned from THR.
Leadbutt
Member
I remember in the late 50's, when the ole man was going off to Vietnam for the first time I had a teacher acting as the head master at the school stand me up in front of the class and began to explain how it was people like me and my father who were to blame for the evil in the world, When I got home I told my Uncle John{WW-2/Korea vet} what had transpired, next day he showed up at lunch, confronted the teacher and then proceeded to whip his *** in front of the whole lunch room.
Funny not another teacher had any thing to say about it or to me the rest of the year
Funny not another teacher had any thing to say about it or to me the rest of the year
0007
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teachers
It seems to me that the correct way for these parents to express their displeasure with the teachers, the principal, the school board, and the rest of their sycophants involved with this outrage would be to find a lawyer and whisper the words "class action"... Their children have obviously suffered possibly ir-reversable psychological damage to their persons due to these unconscionable actions. Plus the damage to their parents. Sue them personally. That way they pay, not the taxpayers.
It seems to me that the correct way for these parents to express their displeasure with the teachers, the principal, the school board, and the rest of their sycophants involved with this outrage would be to find a lawyer and whisper the words "class action"... Their children have obviously suffered possibly ir-reversable psychological damage to their persons due to these unconscionable actions. Plus the damage to their parents. Sue them personally. That way they pay, not the taxpayers.
Ed Brunner
Member
There is no Pro and Con on this issue
There is no place for the discussion of ethics or politics with a seven year old child whose entire world is personally involved in this.
Anyone who would attempt to force his personal political opinions on a child so personally involved must never be allowed to professionally educate anyone.
And to do this on the name of the government that sponsors this military involvement just might be treason.
As a veteran I can relate. I left my family and relied on others for their safety while I was in the military. We are the ones who must support our troops and protect their families while they are gone. This is a matter of trust and responsibility and it is up to responsible people to see that it is stopped and never tolerated again.
Lets start at the top and write our Commander-in-Chief and let him handle it. Don't tell me he has more important things to do.
There is no place for the discussion of ethics or politics with a seven year old child whose entire world is personally involved in this.
Anyone who would attempt to force his personal political opinions on a child so personally involved must never be allowed to professionally educate anyone.
And to do this on the name of the government that sponsors this military involvement just might be treason.
As a veteran I can relate. I left my family and relied on others for their safety while I was in the military. We are the ones who must support our troops and protect their families while they are gone. This is a matter of trust and responsibility and it is up to responsible people to see that it is stopped and never tolerated again.
Lets start at the top and write our Commander-in-Chief and let him handle it. Don't tell me he has more important things to do.
Waitone
Member
Who are these people?
Whose email address would be nice to have?
Actual teachers--not likely
School admiinistrators--possible
Schoold district bureaucrats--likely
School board members--easy enough
These people need to be addressed.
Unacceptable. Completely unacceptable.
Whose email address would be nice to have?
Actual teachers--not likely
School admiinistrators--possible
Schoold district bureaucrats--likely
School board members--easy enough
These people need to be addressed.
Unacceptable. Completely unacceptable.
Leatherneck
Member
My Son-in-law, father to Grandsons #1 and #3 just left for a year's duty in Korea. While presumably such military duty is not being viewed by the lefties in quite the same way as duty in SWA/PG, there is one thing I'm certain of. If Alec or Brendan ever came home with tales of a teacher stigmatising them, an assault team of their Mom and their Granddad would make life living hell for the teacher(s) and administrators involved. The audacity is breathtaking!
TC
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TC
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Waitone
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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030227-8550156.htm
Children of Maine Guard unit taunted by teachers
Members of the Maine National Guard, called up to prepare for an attack on Iraq, have asserted that their children are being harassed at school by teachers who oppose the war.
Guard members say their children are "coming home upset, depressed, crying," said Maj. Peter Rogers, a spokesman for the Maine National Guard. "This was based on some incidents that were happening in school, both in the classroom and on the playground."
In an e-mail sent to the parents of one child who had complained of harassment at school, National Guard officials said they had "over 30 complaints that name schools and individual principals, teachers and guidance counselors."
It was still not clear yesterday whether the state will discipline any of the named teachers or schools over the incidents.
"In Maine, local superintendents make local policy for local schools," said Tammy Morrill, assistant to J. Duke Albanese, state commissioner of education.
A "fact-gathering" process about the incidents is under way, Maj. Rogers said. The incidents involved students in elementary and middle schools, some as young as 7 years old, he said.
"What we're hearing is that some of the educators are talking about the possible war in Iraq being unethical and that those who would fight it are unethical," Maj. Rogers said.
The state commissioner of education has urged school officials to be more "sensitive" to military children.
"Recently it has been brought to our attention that some school personnel ... may have been less than sensitive to children of military families regarding our continued strained relations with Iraq," Mr. Albanese wrote in a letter sent Tuesday to all superintendents and principals in Maine.
"In some cases, parents — who are about to be deployed — have observed added stress and anxiety among their children who perceive a staff member or their peers as being insensitive to their beliefs and the potential danger to loved ones," Mr. Albanese wrote.
The commissioner said that, while supporting "the right to discuss controversial issues," he wanted "to remind school personnel ... that the families of military personnel need our sensitivity."
Complaints about harassment in schools first surfaced, Maj. Rogers said, after two of Maine's Army National Guard units were mobilized recently for deployment to the Middle East.
"About a week ago, we started doing our family-assistance-center briefings," Maj. Rogers said, explaining that the centers provide support for the families of Guard troops on active duty. "In these briefings, a number of families came forward and talked about their children coming home upset, depressed, crying."
Maj. Rogers said the state commissioner's office "has been very supportive" of the military families in responding to the complaints. "We're hoping [Mr. Albanese's letter to school officials] will end the issue," Maj. Rogers said. "We're not looking at pointing fingers or anything."
Mr. Albanese told the Bangor Daily News that only one complaint involved classroom remarks, after the child of a Guard member became upset during a discussion of Iraq when a teaching assistant "took up the anti-war" argument.
Other incidents, according to Mr. Albanese, involved a child who had requested to leave school early for a military-related activity and a student who was teased on a school bus because he has a parent in the military.
Teachers across the country have tried to find proper ways to teach children about the war on terrorism. Last year, the National Education Association was criticized for posting a link to an online lesson plan for the September 11 anniversary recommending that teachers discuss "historical instances of American intolerance" so that America could avoid "repeating terrible mistakes."
The incidents involving the children of National Guard members in Maine were "a surprise to us," Maj. Rogers said. "We are certainly hoping that none of it was done maliciously. ... We certainly value the freedom of speech and fight for it, but we hope that people would be sensitive to the kids."
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Major Rogers email address is [email protected]
Edit note: I just emailed major Rogers this thread.
Children of Maine Guard unit taunted by teachers
Members of the Maine National Guard, called up to prepare for an attack on Iraq, have asserted that their children are being harassed at school by teachers who oppose the war.
Guard members say their children are "coming home upset, depressed, crying," said Maj. Peter Rogers, a spokesman for the Maine National Guard. "This was based on some incidents that were happening in school, both in the classroom and on the playground."
In an e-mail sent to the parents of one child who had complained of harassment at school, National Guard officials said they had "over 30 complaints that name schools and individual principals, teachers and guidance counselors."
It was still not clear yesterday whether the state will discipline any of the named teachers or schools over the incidents.
"In Maine, local superintendents make local policy for local schools," said Tammy Morrill, assistant to J. Duke Albanese, state commissioner of education.
A "fact-gathering" process about the incidents is under way, Maj. Rogers said. The incidents involved students in elementary and middle schools, some as young as 7 years old, he said.
"What we're hearing is that some of the educators are talking about the possible war in Iraq being unethical and that those who would fight it are unethical," Maj. Rogers said.
The state commissioner of education has urged school officials to be more "sensitive" to military children.
"Recently it has been brought to our attention that some school personnel ... may have been less than sensitive to children of military families regarding our continued strained relations with Iraq," Mr. Albanese wrote in a letter sent Tuesday to all superintendents and principals in Maine.
"In some cases, parents — who are about to be deployed — have observed added stress and anxiety among their children who perceive a staff member or their peers as being insensitive to their beliefs and the potential danger to loved ones," Mr. Albanese wrote.
The commissioner said that, while supporting "the right to discuss controversial issues," he wanted "to remind school personnel ... that the families of military personnel need our sensitivity."
Complaints about harassment in schools first surfaced, Maj. Rogers said, after two of Maine's Army National Guard units were mobilized recently for deployment to the Middle East.
"About a week ago, we started doing our family-assistance-center briefings," Maj. Rogers said, explaining that the centers provide support for the families of Guard troops on active duty. "In these briefings, a number of families came forward and talked about their children coming home upset, depressed, crying."
Maj. Rogers said the state commissioner's office "has been very supportive" of the military families in responding to the complaints. "We're hoping [Mr. Albanese's letter to school officials] will end the issue," Maj. Rogers said. "We're not looking at pointing fingers or anything."
Mr. Albanese told the Bangor Daily News that only one complaint involved classroom remarks, after the child of a Guard member became upset during a discussion of Iraq when a teaching assistant "took up the anti-war" argument.
Other incidents, according to Mr. Albanese, involved a child who had requested to leave school early for a military-related activity and a student who was teased on a school bus because he has a parent in the military.
Teachers across the country have tried to find proper ways to teach children about the war on terrorism. Last year, the National Education Association was criticized for posting a link to an online lesson plan for the September 11 anniversary recommending that teachers discuss "historical instances of American intolerance" so that America could avoid "repeating terrible mistakes."
The incidents involving the children of National Guard members in Maine were "a surprise to us," Maj. Rogers said. "We are certainly hoping that none of it was done maliciously. ... We certainly value the freedom of speech and fight for it, but we hope that people would be sensitive to the kids."
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Major Rogers email address is [email protected]
Edit note: I just emailed major Rogers this thread.
Silver Bullet
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I followed my humble plan, and it only took about ten minutes. If a thousand High Roaders copy the news story and send it to ten people, 10,000 people are made aware. If half of those 10,000 send to 10 people, 50,000 people know. If half of thoser recipients send to ten people, the number grows by five each generation: 250,000 to 1,250,000 to 6,250,000 to 31,250,000, until the story loses interest and people no longer care enough to forward it. And, of course, 1000 High Roaders are not going to forward it because not that many people have viewed this thread.
This is a very hot emotional issue, and I think at least half of the people who become aware of it will become as angry and outraged as I am, there will be enough outcry that this will become a national issue, and maybe even something will get done in Maine.
I realize that sending out a few emails doesn't sound like doing much, but 1) there's a chance that my above scenario will play out, and 2) it's better than doing nothing.
This is a very hot emotional issue, and I think at least half of the people who become aware of it will become as angry and outraged as I am, there will be enough outcry that this will become a national issue, and maybe even something will get done in Maine.
I realize that sending out a few emails doesn't sound like doing much, but 1) there's a chance that my above scenario will play out, and 2) it's better than doing nothing.
To: Don Gwinn:
No disrepect taken....we are all entitled to our opinions. I do not beleive that kids are incapable of understanding, sometimes they understand far more than adults given them credit for. And I do believe that kids need to be reassured that neither they nor their parents are the bad guys in all of this, but that our society has many different points of view on the subject. I am not saying that they need to be given a complete World History lesson at that age, but to the extent that is appropriate and that they can understand. I do not see it being inappropriate for a teacher to help them understand (from an objective way of teaching) that there are people who stand on both sides of the issue.
Again and for clarity, I agreee 100% that what those teachers are doing is absolutely 100% out of line and they must be held accountable. No, I am not a grade school teacher...does that mean I am not entitled to express my opinion? Or is it that I am only allowed to express an opinion that conforms to the popular beliefs and popular speech that is defined by what others have to say in their threads? Yes, I have studdied Child psychology, which included ped's and I even have a college education as well. I have also studdied constitutional law for the past 14 years in the course of my requied employment duties. So I am not some dumb hillbilly who just came in off the swamp. All I am saying is that if we are to permit teachers to share their opinions that "praise" the parents of these kids...then we should also permit speech that is given appropriately and in an objective manner to educate the kids to the fact that there are many different voices in our society and they need to understand that they (kids and parents) are not the bad guys just because someone voices their opinions that are not "pro-war".
In our society of today I frequently hear people demanding their rights...but rarely do I hear people also acknowledge the fact that the other guy also has rights as well..rights that may very well supercede our own. We are quick to say that our opinion is all that matters and if someone does not agree with us...we lash out at them and criticize them because they actually have the nerve to share an opinion that is different from our own. In our socieital selfishness, we forget that the world does not revolve around a particular group of people or even a person unto themselves, yet, rather the world revolves around diversity. And sometimes we have to accept that having an opinion does not mean we are right or wrong...its just the way we see things and someone will always see it differently....
No disrepect taken....we are all entitled to our opinions. I do not beleive that kids are incapable of understanding, sometimes they understand far more than adults given them credit for. And I do believe that kids need to be reassured that neither they nor their parents are the bad guys in all of this, but that our society has many different points of view on the subject. I am not saying that they need to be given a complete World History lesson at that age, but to the extent that is appropriate and that they can understand. I do not see it being inappropriate for a teacher to help them understand (from an objective way of teaching) that there are people who stand on both sides of the issue.
Again and for clarity, I agreee 100% that what those teachers are doing is absolutely 100% out of line and they must be held accountable. No, I am not a grade school teacher...does that mean I am not entitled to express my opinion? Or is it that I am only allowed to express an opinion that conforms to the popular beliefs and popular speech that is defined by what others have to say in their threads? Yes, I have studdied Child psychology, which included ped's and I even have a college education as well. I have also studdied constitutional law for the past 14 years in the course of my requied employment duties. So I am not some dumb hillbilly who just came in off the swamp. All I am saying is that if we are to permit teachers to share their opinions that "praise" the parents of these kids...then we should also permit speech that is given appropriately and in an objective manner to educate the kids to the fact that there are many different voices in our society and they need to understand that they (kids and parents) are not the bad guys just because someone voices their opinions that are not "pro-war".
In our society of today I frequently hear people demanding their rights...but rarely do I hear people also acknowledge the fact that the other guy also has rights as well..rights that may very well supercede our own. We are quick to say that our opinion is all that matters and if someone does not agree with us...we lash out at them and criticize them because they actually have the nerve to share an opinion that is different from our own. In our socieital selfishness, we forget that the world does not revolve around a particular group of people or even a person unto themselves, yet, rather the world revolves around diversity. And sometimes we have to accept that having an opinion does not mean we are right or wrong...its just the way we see things and someone will always see it differently....
XLMiguel
Member
Kids that age are old enough to know what war is, and that wars are caused by political conflicts, i.e. differences of opinion on how the world should be run. Wars are not good, but they are sometimes necessary to prevent bad things from happening or continuing. But that's about as far as it needs to go.
BUT, for some moron (I can't call them "teacher") to abuse a kid because his/her parent is off to do thier duty is beyond reprehensible. Do they have a clue? The reason they even have the ability to voice thier opinion is because of the sacrifices those brave people make.
Those gutless wonders first of all need a good@$$-kicking to get their attention (I bet 2 P.O.ed BAMs could bitch-slap the whole state), and then they need to be directed to a new line of work, i.e. cleaning latrines at the local VA hospital,until their cranial rectitus is cured.
BUT, for some moron (I can't call them "teacher") to abuse a kid because his/her parent is off to do thier duty is beyond reprehensible. Do they have a clue? The reason they even have the ability to voice thier opinion is because of the sacrifices those brave people make.
Those gutless wonders first of all need a good@$$-kicking to get their attention (I bet 2 P.O.ed BAMs could bitch-slap the whole state), and then they need to be directed to a new line of work, i.e. cleaning latrines at the local VA hospital,until their cranial rectitus is cured.
I am more and more in favor of "Tar & Feathers" at High Noon in Public Square for those clowns (nicest term I can find) involved. I am still boiling over about this story.
I remember a shouting match with my 5th grade [ahem] teacher. Made some off-the-wall comment about WW2 and Korea, very surprising since her husband was a Nat'l Guard Major, commander of the local NG armory/post. She got very upset when I made reference to the fact that my Dad was a WW2 Army Infantryman, Silver Star recipient, who made it possible for her to spout such Leninist/Stalinist/Castro-ite propoganda. And the suggestion that she haul her miserable carcass to Panmunjom, NK. (this was only a year or 2 after the Cuban Missle Crisis).
I also suggested that I would write the local newspaper editor with her comments.
Oh, well, I got pounded, but there were no more comments like that from her.
I remember a shouting match with my 5th grade [ahem] teacher. Made some off-the-wall comment about WW2 and Korea, very surprising since her husband was a Nat'l Guard Major, commander of the local NG armory/post. She got very upset when I made reference to the fact that my Dad was a WW2 Army Infantryman, Silver Star recipient, who made it possible for her to spout such Leninist/Stalinist/Castro-ite propoganda. And the suggestion that she haul her miserable carcass to Panmunjom, NK. (this was only a year or 2 after the Cuban Missle Crisis).
I also suggested that I would write the local newspaper editor with her comments.
Oh, well, I got pounded, but there were no more comments like that from her.
Country Boy
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An elementary classroom is not the place to carry on a debate about the morality of war. Perhaps in a high school government class there would be some validity in having a debate on if war is a necessary option in dealing with Iraq. Even then, a well balanced lesson/discussion would not be only anti-military. I have no idea where the morality of a possible military action in Iraq would fit into the curriculum of a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th grade classroom.
Along with Don, I apologize for those educators who disregard teaching rational thought and balanced discussion with spewing propaganda.
Along with Don, I apologize for those educators who disregard teaching rational thought and balanced discussion with spewing propaganda.
XLMiguel
Member
Country & Don G-
No need to apologize, those 'people' are hardly your contemporaries or colleagues, their lack of professionalism speaks volumes by itself. They have betrayed their professional responsibilites, that is, teaching thier students to THINK, by instead pro-offering propaganda rather than structure and intellectual discipline. A pox on them.
No need to apologize, those 'people' are hardly your contemporaries or colleagues, their lack of professionalism speaks volumes by itself. They have betrayed their professional responsibilites, that is, teaching thier students to THINK, by instead pro-offering propaganda rather than structure and intellectual discipline. A pox on them.
Dannyboy
Member
O'Reilly's doing a piece on this tonight. Should be pretty good. I only hope he got someone from the ME education system to come on the show.
twoblink
Member
jmbg29,
JUST WHERE DO YOU GET OFF INSULTING THE MAGGOTS?? WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO YOU??
Don Gwinn..Country Boy...
I use to have a high school teacher that would talk to me after school, as she felt that I was one of the few people she could talk to (was a well known libertarian on campus already! Imagine that!!)
But she says the "Teacher's Union" muscle basically made her a permanent "closet Republican". Her views didn't match that of the union, and she was warned a few times of "serious consequences" if she didn't keep her mouth shut..
So it's not just "leftist teachers" as you called them, it's "leftist teachers with the support of lefist unions".
I just wanted to add that, because I find that to be very significant. (Yes, the same unions that take dues out of teacher's paycheck and give it to the Democrats despite the fact that some of the teachers don't want their money going there...)
I had a teacher, ousted by the union. Oh, never so public, but he was one of the best teachers in the entire school, hands down. But he "suddenly" disappeared. I saw him a few years later, and wanted to clarify it. His only comment was, "Teacher's union, they have muscle..."
JUST WHERE DO YOU GET OFF INSULTING THE MAGGOTS?? WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO YOU??
Don Gwinn..Country Boy...
I use to have a high school teacher that would talk to me after school, as she felt that I was one of the few people she could talk to (was a well known libertarian on campus already! Imagine that!!)
But she says the "Teacher's Union" muscle basically made her a permanent "closet Republican". Her views didn't match that of the union, and she was warned a few times of "serious consequences" if she didn't keep her mouth shut..
So it's not just "leftist teachers" as you called them, it's "leftist teachers with the support of lefist unions".
I just wanted to add that, because I find that to be very significant. (Yes, the same unions that take dues out of teacher's paycheck and give it to the Democrats despite the fact that some of the teachers don't want their money going there...)
I had a teacher, ousted by the union. Oh, never so public, but he was one of the best teachers in the entire school, hands down. But he "suddenly" disappeared. I saw him a few years later, and wanted to clarify it. His only comment was, "Teacher's union, they have muscle..."
TexasVet
Member
Now THIS really tees me off...
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All I am saying is that if we are to permit teachers to share their opinions that "praise" the parents of these kids...then we should also permit speech that is given appropriately and in an objective manner to educate the kids to the fact that there are many different voices in our society and they need to understand that they (kids and parents) are not the bad guys just because someone voices their opinions that are not "pro-war".
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Teachers have NO right to share their 'opinions" to children on public time, period. On ANY subject. They are hired servants who are there to teach the subject of the hour. Their opinions should never be fosted on the impressionable young who take most of what a teacher says as fact, just because a teacher says it. If anyone fails to understand the damage that one authority figure can do to a child (especially when reinforced by classmates who have "learned" the lesson) is too morally challenged to debate the issue with.
And like a maid who breaks glassware, a teacher who steals time for the elucidation of his own opinions should be fired as soon as the event occurs.
Opinions are fine in a college philosophy class, never in a grade school, where learning is supposed to be taking place. Especially when it is done for the sole purpose of damaging the children who have been placed in that teacher's care to make a PERSONAL POLITICAL statement.
quote:
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All I am saying is that if we are to permit teachers to share their opinions that "praise" the parents of these kids...then we should also permit speech that is given appropriately and in an objective manner to educate the kids to the fact that there are many different voices in our society and they need to understand that they (kids and parents) are not the bad guys just because someone voices their opinions that are not "pro-war".
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Teachers have NO right to share their 'opinions" to children on public time, period. On ANY subject. They are hired servants who are there to teach the subject of the hour. Their opinions should never be fosted on the impressionable young who take most of what a teacher says as fact, just because a teacher says it. If anyone fails to understand the damage that one authority figure can do to a child (especially when reinforced by classmates who have "learned" the lesson) is too morally challenged to debate the issue with.
And like a maid who breaks glassware, a teacher who steals time for the elucidation of his own opinions should be fired as soon as the event occurs.
Opinions are fine in a college philosophy class, never in a grade school, where learning is supposed to be taking place. Especially when it is done for the sole purpose of damaging the children who have been placed in that teacher's care to make a PERSONAL POLITICAL statement.
Silver Bullet
Member
TexasVet,
Do you suppose a teacher during the civil rights decade could have taught a classroom full of black kids with no reference to the events the kids saw on the news every night?
pax
A child who is protected from all controversial ideas is as vulnerable as a child who is protected from every germ. The infection, when it comes -- and it will come -- may overwhelm the system, be it the immune system or the belief system. -- Jane Smiley
Silver Bullet
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jmbg29
member
Cheap thrill governor. You aren't willing to do anything about though, are you you spineless maggot?
In the past 30+ years working parents have turned there children over to daycare, public schools to raise them,
I believe it is the reason for a large
percentage of problems we now face.
Public school now believe it is there
responsibility to "teach" our children
in all aspects of life, sex, politics and
yes even religion if it is the PC religion
at the time.
If we are to change the future of this
country public schools must be changed
or better yet elimiated.
I believe it is the reason for a large
percentage of problems we now face.
Public school now believe it is there
responsibility to "teach" our children
in all aspects of life, sex, politics and
yes even religion if it is the PC religion
at the time.
If we are to change the future of this
country public schools must be changed
or better yet elimiated.
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