daniel craig
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****, that's what I payed for my SKS.
Could that be due to the fact that BCA manufactures the barrels themselves and assembles upper/lower receivers in the USA? Similarly, Anderson also manufactures receivers themselves from US forgings?They indicate there is not the supply chain issues with them, other products are currently experiencing.
If you read the OP, I wasn't talking about lack of quality control but rather the fact that $350 AR15s are reality to make them not only cheaper than popular pistols and more importantly to make them "common in use" to fulfill the judicial branch/US Supreme Court's "enforcement" of the Bill of Rights.Something possibly overlooked.While these are just about the lowest prices I have seen for free-float MLok AR15s in recent decades, what do they indicate?
When complete AR15s are selling for less than many popular pistols, in my opinion, time really has come for people to not only buy affordable firearms but that AR15 has really become "common in use" for recreational shooting, sporting/match shooting, hunting and in particular, for self defense.
Primary Arms recently had complete AR for $399 - https://www.primaryarms.com/radical...-barrel-mft-stock-grip-primary-arms-exclusive
Now Bear Creek Arsenal has complete ARs for $349 - https://www.bearcreekarsenal.com/ar-15/ar-15-rifles.html
While these are just about the lowest prices I have seen for free-float MLok AR15s in recent decades, what do they indicate?
When complete AR15s are selling for less than many popular pistols, in my opinion, time really has come for people to not only buy affordable firearms but that AR15 has really become "common in use" for recreational shooting, sporting/match shooting, hunting and in particular, for self defense.
Just as seemingly everyone has "cell phones" to exercise their First Amendment right to communicate and free speech of talking, email, texting and engage in forums/social media; now more than ever, ownership of AR15 has become more affordable for everyone to exercise their Second Amendment right.
And our society, especially the courts all the way to the US Supreme Court now have to take this into consideration for Second Amendment case rulings, as they have for expansion of First Amendment protection for modern forms of communication.
Our gun rights future just got brighter.
Which is probably reinforced by the 9mm PSA is selling for $229 (a C2a, I want to remember)are reality to make them not only cheaper than popular pistols and more importantly to make them "common in use"
PSA has probably put more budget ARs into the hands of people than any other brand. Regardless what you think about quality, they got ARs out the door to a vast number of Americans. BCA and others are getting on board if they can maintain the production. The more AR15s in circulation, the better. Nothing says in common use like every household have 1 or 10 ARs.
Which is probably reinforced by the 9mm PSA is selling for $229 (a C2a, I want to remember)
That every good man can be armed, regardless of means does not seem a bad thing to me.
Well, the Dagger is a fine thing (not that I've managed to get one when available, yet)You're referring-to the Dagger,
Which all indicates to me, especially with what's happening with China and Russia, that returning manufacturing back again to USA may be a good thing.
450 is a great platform. $249 is a good price for an upper unless you mean complete upper with barrel, bolt, etc, then it is an insane price and I would ask who makes it lolI broke down and finally ordered a 450 Bushmaster upper for $249. $0.00 for Fedex ground shipping and they don't even collect Iowa sales tax. Now I need to figure out which optic I have that can stand up to 450 BM recoil.
450 is a great platform. $249 is a good price for an upper unless you mean complete upper with barrel, bolt, etc, then it is an insane price and I would ask who makes it lol
Just a couple points here-I'm not saying that you might as well throw $350 in the trash can but... Even if they shoot straight for the first thousand rounds, I know of several horror stories with broken bolts every few thousand rounds
I don't think this really expands our 2A rights meaningfully since most people can, with time, eventually afford a decent rifle of some kind as it is. The good stuff is still to expensive for the common man and this does nothing to change that.
I lose more 450 brass in the woods than any other caliber. That stuff flings way out but it is worth itSame company linked in the original post - BCA (Bear Creek Arsenal). The upper includes all items mentioned made in-house by BCA along with MLOK rail. Their 450's all have side charging handle. I already have a Ruger bolt action in 450 BM. I have been hesitant to get the AR because brass is expensive and much easier to keep track of with the bolt action, but I figured I would end up with one eventually...
1. An uncomfortably large portion of the population lives paycheck to paycheck. The difference between a $700 rifle and a $350 rifle is huge to this demographic.
2. "The good stuff" is relative. A $350 AR that goes bang every time and puts holes in a pie plate at 200 yards is good stuff to the aforementioned demographic, and will do just as good a job for self/home defense as a $2500 Daniel Defense rifle.
For the vast majority of owners these are not 100% duty cycle tools. They get pulled out and fired for maybe a half hour a few times a year, and put away in a climate controlled closet or gun safe until the next time they're called upon. No need for the same robustness or ultra high durability that a soldier's service rifle needs to have.
Sounds like market saturation to me. Definitely evidence of "in common use at the time". makes me feel silly for spending $1,400 on my first build but I doubt these $350-$400 rifles have Shilen match grade barrels and Triggertech Diamond triggers or any other high end components. I have to wonder how they shoot though. probably not too bad.
Maybe I over did it. I bought a Shilen barrel for $400, a Trigger tech trigger for $300. The Aero upper and lower were like $214 (and I was going to buy something more expensive there, a Grey ghost matched set), Aero BCG was around $150. I really wanted a superlative arms bleed of gas block and that was around $100 + the tube. The Aero MLOK free floats were about $150. Then misc parts, buffers,springs, tube, receiver springs, forward assist, ejection port cover, pins grips, etc. and shipping and then there were all the tools. I have well over 2 grand in this one rifle including the tools but I wanted the tools (and the new skill more than anything) so I don't care about that. I don't care about any of that money. I got what I wanted. I love the rifle. Next time I'll go grey ghost for the receiver I think.I have three PSAs that didn't cost $1,400 combined. They shoot very well.