Medical in range bag.

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Axis II said:
I have a molle backpack with one large compartment that has small to large gauze, 2 large rolls of ace bandage, normal bandaids, butterfly strips, neosporain, medic scissors, alcohol wipes, thought about quick clot but I sliced my hand open years ago and a co worker used quick clot. The ER doc said they don’t like it being used because they have to clean it all out before they can take care of the wound. I will be getting a tourniquet soon. Lots of gauze is good for packing a large wound. I also have a Velcro tag on that pouch that says first aid kit so people don’t have to search pockets for it.
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Understanding how long you have till medical assistance is critical in first aid. At home the hospital is 1.5 miles and the fire department is .25 miles and response is 10 minutes or less. At the range I go to the closest hospital is over 30 miles and I have zero idea what response time is. These play major factors into what I feel I need to do.
 
Axis II said:
The ER doc said they don’t like it being used because they have to clean it all out before they can take care of the wound.
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That's why you don't use any powdered product. Always use treated dressings like QC Combat Gauze. Everything in a GSW should be focused on stopping bleeding and treating shock until EMTs arrive. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
 
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One more thing: breathing. You want to be able to deal with sucking chest wounds. You want vented seals.

If any reader is not familiar with this, when a person gets a hole in their thorax (chest above the diaphragm and "gut"), they can have trouble breathing because as diaphragm moves to draw air into the lungs, it just draws air in through the perforation (bullet hole) instead. Entry and any exit holes have to be sealed for breathing to function. Seals can be improvised with plastic bags and duct tape -- that's what I'd do in a non-firearm specific wilderness backpacking kit -- but if you have a kit specifically for the range, you'd want proper seals. The vented ones work best -- HYFIN VENT CHEST SEAL TWIN PACK . Of course, I also recommend training to use them, and training relevant to other types of gunshot wound trauma.
 
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AJC1 said:
Do any of you carry medical supplies with you at the range? I just got a chain saw and got a tactical turiniquite kit and some quick clot. I just doubled my order and added the second to my range bag. Does anyone else carry worst case gear.
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IMHO - chainsaws need preventive steps first, I NEVER used one without chaps, helmet, heavy boots, etc...
 
AJC1 said:
I was taught a long time ago a pad was the best giant steril Bandage in almost every house. I'm not sticking a tampon in a gsw though.
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Yes pads do make pretty good bandages in a pinch.

Off subject a little but tampons come in very handy for hunters when using cover scents and they are cheaper.

Back on subject, Yes you can use a tampon as a bandage in an emergency too. Use what is available and sterile.
 
I agree that a tampon is far from the best thing to use. A pad on the other hand does make a good bandage in a pinch.
 
When the sh@t hits the fan you got to use what you got at hand. That said with the easy availability of the right equipment why would you not be prepare ahead of time and you won't have to improvise with less then the best equipment.

Luck favors the prepared.
 
I've treated a dozen or so gunshot wounds as a paramedic, and I never saw one that was conveniently sized for tampon insertion. It seems to me that they're either bullet size (in the case of FMJ) or fist sized, in the case of everything else.

Beyond that, feminine hygiene products are generally not sterilized or kept in sterile packaging. Yes, use what you've got, but if you're intentionally putting together a kit, pads and tampons should not be your first choice for wound treatment.
 
One thing I am starting to do is substitute or augment some of my Israeli bandage with OLAES modular bandages. The wound pad of the OLAES can be taken apart and used as clotting gauss to pack a wound that cannot be wrapped. I still like Israeli bandages but in my EDC backpack were I carry a stripped down kit I have replaced the Israeli bandage and Quick Clot gauze with just the OLAES. Reduces the bulk a bit in situation were space is critical. In bigger kits it compliments the other items well.
 
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One thing I am starting to do is substitute or augment some of my Israeli bandage with OLAES modular bandages. The wound pad of the OLAES can be taken apart and used as clotting gauss to pack a wound that cannot be wrapped. I still like Israeli bandages but in my EDC backpack were I carry a stripped down kit I have replaced the Israeli bandage and Quick Clot gauze with just the OLAES. Reduces the bulk a bit in situation were space is critical. In bigger kits it compliments the other items well.
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Never herd of them, something else to order on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Tac-Med-Solu...refix=oles+,aps,201&sr=8-16&wIndexMainSlot=29
 
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mcb said:
That's the one, they make a 4-inch and 6-inch wide version. I have the 4-inch in my EDC pack and will be adding the 6-inch to my bigger packs when they need refreshed.
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I guess I should watch some videos on use before deciding which size and how many.
 
AJC1 said:
Understanding how long you have till medical assistance is critical in first aid. At home the hospital is 1.5 miles and the fire department is .25 miles and response is 10 minutes or less. At the range I go to the closest hospital is over 30 miles and I have zero idea what response time is. These play major factors into what I feel I need to do.
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I’m not disagreeing with that I’m saying the quick clot didn’t really work and it took him like 10min trying to get it out of my wound that was gushing and squirting to actually stop the bleeding. This was close to 20yrs ago so things could have changed. My training from the police academy said pack it and wrap it tight. No quick clot so that’s what I lean toward. Again, not saying it’s 100% right.
 
People are mistaking a GSW/blowout kit for a first aid kit. You should carry both, but understand that when you're shooting the GSW (gunshot wound) kit is very specific to the injury from a gun shot wound. I separate my GSW from general first aid because I've been certified as a Wilderness First Responder. That trained me to look at addressing injuries and illnesses for disasters, backcontry, and wilderness injuries and illnesses. I also took training for gunshot wounds separate from WFR. My kit is a ziplock bag for GSW and a bigger kit for WFR. I know what's in each (I need a tourniquet for penetrative/amputation of extrimieites or a dressings and pressure bandages and hemostatis dressing for injuries that are less catastrophic). I need chest seals and pneuothorax reduction kits for chestwall injuries. A nasopharangyl tube for maxiofacial injuries or airway injuries. They're all trauma kits for what are the most common injuries. Toss in some anaphylaxis response (you do carry children's Benedryl don't you). And you're most of the way towards low level trauma care. BUT gunshot wounds are very specific and require some knowledge of managing shock. Training and knowledge are more important than a box of rocks you don't know what they're for.
 
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I don't have it in my range bag, but I do carry a pretty comprehensive kit from Adventure Medical Kits (I think that was the name?) I still need to add a few things, like a tourniquet, some extra quick clot (it comes with some), a SAM splint, stuff like that, but it's a pretty good starter kit. It's designed more for camping but is pretty comprehensive.
 
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