Michigan Bill to Remove No Carry Zones

[Sheldon J]

HB 4759 has been introduced by Rep. Daniel Acciavatti. Co-Sponsors are: Reps. Hoogendyk, Horn, Stahl, Opsommer, Meltzer and Meekhof

The Bill has been referred to the Committee on Judiciary which is Chaired by a veteran anti gunner. Further, this Bill has a Minority party sponsor. Both of these facts will make this Bill a slow starter

Your help is needed to get this moving. Call your Representative and ask them to support this HB 4759. If your Rep is a Dem, please ask them to sign on as a co-sponsor. We need bi-partisan support to move this. It is very important to make these calls or e-mails. You can find the contact info for your Representative here.. All you need is your home address if you don't know who your Rep is. Please be courteous and polite.

The house Judiciary members are:

Committee Members:
Paul Condino (D), Committee Chair, 35th District
Andy Coulouris (D), Majority Vice-Chair, 95th District
Steve Bieda (D), 25th District
Marc R. Corriveau (D), 20th District
Mark S. Meadows (D), 69th District
Andy Meisner (D), 27th District
Bettie Cook Scott (D), 3rd District
Virgil Smith (D), 7th District
Rebekah Warren (D), 53rd District
Tonya Schuitmaker (R), Minority Vice-Chair, 80th District
David Law (R), 39th District
Kevin Elsenheimer (R), 105th District
John Stakoe (R), 44th District
Rick Jones (R), 71st District
Tory Rocca (R), 30th District


Schuitmaker, Elsenheimer, Stakoe, Jones and Rocca are all solidly Pro Gun. Unfortunately, some of the most vocal anti gunners in the House are on this Committee.

We need everyone's help to get this Bill moving. Your calls of support are appreciated.

 

[Mannix]

Read it wrong nm

 

[Clipper]

Text?

 

[Mike Kelly]

The bill is published online here

 

[erik the bold]

Text of HB4759 2007

May 15, 2007, Introduced by Reps. Acciavatti, Hoogendyk, Horn, Stahl, Opsommer, Meltzer and Meekhof and referred to the Committee on Judiciary.



A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled



"An act to regulate and license the selling, purchasing,

possessing, and carrying of certain firearms and gas ejecting

devices; to prohibit the buying, selling, or carrying of certain

firearms and gas ejecting devices without a license or other

authorization; to provide for the forfeiture of firearms under

certain circumstances; to provide for penalties and remedies; to

provide immunity from civil liability under certain circumstances;

to prescribe the powers and duties of certain state and local

agencies; to prohibit certain conduct against individuals who apply

for or receive a license to carry a concealed pistol; to make

appropriations; to prescribe certain conditions for the

appropriations; and to repeal all acts and parts of acts

inconsistent with this act,"



by amending section 5c (MCL 28.425c), as amended by 2002 PA 719;
and to repeal acts and parts of acts.



THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN ENACT:
Sec. 5c. (1) A license to carry a concealed pistol shall be in
a form, with the same dimensions as a Michigan operator license,
prescribed by the department of state police. The license shall
contain all of the following:

(a) The licensee's full name and date of birth.

(b) A photograph and a physical description of the licensee.

(c) A statement of the effective dates of the license.

(d) An indication of exceptions authorized by this act
applicable to the licensee.

(e) An indication whether the license is a duplicate.



(2) Subject to section 5o and except Except as otherwise
provided by law, a license to carry a concealed pistol issued by
the county concealed weapon licensing board authorizes the licensee
to do all of the following:

(a) Carry a pistol concealed on or about his or her person anywhere
in this state.

(b) Carry a pistol in a vehicle, whether concealed or not
concealed, anywhere in this state.

Enacting section 1. Section 5o of 1927 PA 372, MCL 28.425o, is
repealed.

 

[Bezoar]

would anywere include bars , schools, churches, courts, government buildings? that needs to be determined first because the last thing we need is drunken "he-men" playing cowboy in a crowded bar.

Other wise id love to be able to carry anywhere in state. May make certain businessmen more ethical and honest. But i bet they will have a law keeping guns from government and cout buildings.

 

[Geister]

They also need a bill allowing the recognition of non-resident permits.

 

[Geister]

the last thing we need is drunken "he-men" playing cowboy in a crowded bar.

And what makes you think a ban on guns in bars is going to stop someone from going into a bar and shooting the place up?

I SUPPORT being able to carry in a bar because I shouldn't give up my God-given Right just because I walk into a place to have a beer or two.

 

[bsf]

would anywere include bars , schools, churches, courts, government buildings? that needs to be determined first because the last thing we need is drunken "he-men" playing cowboy in a crowded bar.

Other wise id love to be able to carry anywhere in state. May make certain businessmen more ethical and honest. But i bet they will have a law keeping guns from government and cout buildings.

If you took the time to read the bill and law, you would know that “anywhere” includes all the "criminal safety zones" created by the law.

Now, concerning bars specifically, I get real annoyed when sheep start spouting off about bars, churches, etc being places where CC should be off limits. What is wrong with you? Unless you are a frikken troll, I cannot understand why you would post this drivel at THR. You need to apply a little critical thinking to this idea. Maybe you like to get stupid drunk in establishments that serve alcohol, but others do not. In fact, not everyone who patronizes such an establishment drinks. Michigan law already sets clear, quantitative limits for blood alcohol content and concealed carry. There is no need to ban CC in bars and similar establishments. In fact, that is just plain stupid. When I hear supposed allies beat this drum, I feel like kicking someone in the nuts. Quit making the job of fixing this problem of “criminal safety zones” harder. I think it is going to be extremely difficult getting this bill passed. If you are not going to get behind this bill and help make it a reality, I respectfully ask that you ****.

 

[Clipper]

bsf, you are a gentleman and a scholar. Geister, THR prohibits expressing my opinion of your drivel...

 

[Trebor]

The way I read it you'd be able to carry in a bar, but the "no alcohol intake while carrying" rule would still apply. One drink and you've violated the law.

Still, there have been plenty of times where I've been with friends in bars and haven't had a drink or stopped by a bar at lunch for a burger and haven't had a drink. It would be nice to be able to carry no matter where I am, as long as I don't drink.

 

[bsf]

The way I read it you'd be able to carry in a bar, but the "no alcohol intake while carrying" rule would still apply. One drink and you've violated the law.

I agree with your interpretation.

 

[bsf]

Dear Representative xxxxxxxxxxx:

Please support HB4759. This bill would eliminate what many scornfully refer to as “criminal safety zones”. It would eliminate the prohibition of concealed pistol carry in schools; day care centers; sports arenas; bars; churches, entertainment facilities with a seating capacity of 2,500 or more; hospitals; college dormitories; and casinos. Criminals determined to wreak destruction and destroy human life are not deterred by rules that prohibit them from bringing weapons into these “gun free zones”. This should be painfully evident given the recent tragedy at Virginia Tech.

Concerning bars and taverns, Michigan law (MCL 28.425k) already specifies stringent standards for concealed pistol carry and bodily alcohol content. A person with a bodily alcohol content of .02 or more per 100 milliliters of blood is already prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol. The additional prohibition of concealed pistol carry in bars and taverns is unnecessary. Not all who patronize these establishments partake of alcoholic beverages.

In essence, this bill is about personal responsibility and the right to effective defense for yourself and other innocent people against evil. Please support this bill.


Sincerely,
Xxxxxxxxx

Please critique this letter. I am going to be handing out form letters people can mail to their state reps. If you want to repost what you consider a better version of this letter, please do so. I have some concerns with my original letter. One is if the middle paragraph, the preemptive strike concerning bars, is necessary. I can handle the criticism. In fact, I welcome it. Thanks in advance.

 

[jrfoxx]

would anywere include bars , schools, churches, courts, government buildings? that needs to be determined first because the last thing we need is drunken "he-men" playing cowboy in a crowded bar.

Here in Oregon, we can carry in all those places,except courtrooms, and haven't had any "he-men" cause any problems I'm aware of....no wild west saloon shootouts, no school massacres, and no legislates killed due to "angry citizens".....
And it cant just be due to the PEOPLE here in Oregon, as I lived in Michigan for 26 years, and never did any of those things either....

 

[30 cal slob]

Best of luck.

Every time I go back home to MI to see mom, I have to print out those stupid MI regs so I can remind myself to take my pistol off everytime I walk into a restaurant that serves alcohol or movie theater or whatever.

I feel so stupid calling a movie theater in Michigan and ask them ... "by the way, what's your seating capacity?" lol.

It's annoying, because I (now) live in a state that has had (unrestricted issue) CCW for much longer than MI has had. There are no laws about carrying in bars or movie theaters or whatever (only victim zone spelled out by law is schools, and that is recent).

We've had no issues with people carrying in bars or restaurants that serve alcohol or movie theaters or daycare centers or whatever.

 

[Heavy Metal Hero]

bsf, try to take the highroad please. It is for your good not mine.

I think this bill would be a great step for us if it is passed.

 

[glockman19]

They also need a bill allowing the recognition of non-resident permits.

+1

 

[Sage of Seattle]

and bodily alcohol content. A person with a bodily alcohol content of .02 or more

bsf, good letter, but with just one change. A BAL or BAC refers to a "blood alcohol level" or "blood alcohol content" and not "bodily alcohol content."

 

[bsf]

bsf, good letter, but with just one change. A BAL or BAC refers to a "blood alcohol level" or "blood alcohol content" and not "bodily alcohol content."

Our law uses the phrase "blood alcohol content". For brevity, I could just say "...with a bal of .02 or more is already prohibited....". Do you think that would be better?

 

[El Tejon]

Bez, your neighbors to the south carry in bars without incident. What makes Michiganders so different and more prone to drunken violence than Hoosiers?

 

[Sage of Seattle]

Our law uses the phrase "blood alcohol content". For brevity, I could just say "...with a bal of .02 or more is already prohibited....". Do you think that would be better?

Yup. I'd say go for it.

 

[30 cal slob]

They also need a bill allowing the recognition of non-resident permits.

Uh, Michigan has ALWAYS recognized out of state CCW (as long as you were a resident), even before CCW became shall-issue!

 

[bsf]

Dear Representative xxxxxxxxxxx:

Please support HB4759. This bill would eliminate what many scornfully refer to as “criminal safety zones”. It would eliminate the prohibition of concealed pistol carry in schools; day care centers; sports arenas; bars; churches, entertainment facilities with a seating capacity of 2,500 or more; hospitals; college dormitories; and casinos. Criminals determined to wreak destruction and destroy human life are not deterred by rules that prohibit them from bringing weapons into these “gun free zones”. This should be painfully evident given the recent tragedy at Virginia Tech.

Concerning bars and taverns, Michigan law (MCL 28.425k) already specifies a person with a BAL of .02 or more is prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol. The additional prohibition of concealed pistol carry in bars and taverns is unnecessary. Not all who patronize these establishments partake of alcoholic beverages.

In essence, this bill is about personal responsibility and the right to effective defense for yourself and other innocent people against evil. Please support this bill.


Sincerely,
Xxxxxxxxx

OK. Small change made based on feedback. More feedback wanted. Lots of intelligent, good communicators here. Speak up.

 

[Sheldon J]

Yep what 30 Cal said, Mi has alway had reciprocity with other states, (at present over 40) before we enacted our Shall Issue law. Some were getting say a FL permit and using it in Mi, then they enacted the "must not be a state resident to have reciprocity" thing. That was the straw that helped to get us our CCW Shall issue system.
However they saddled us with a heap of CEZ's (Criminal Empowerment Zones) no carry areas, some of which we have been able to eliminate over time.
But now it is time to remove the rest of these area's.
I do not drink alcohol (medical reasons) but I do like to play pool so since they serve booze and make most of their money in this manner I cannot carry there.
We use to have a if they serve booze no carry rule, then we managed to make it a 51% rule. I.E. they must make 51% of their income from the sale of alcohol in order to make it a no carry zone, so that at least opened up the nicer places, even Pizza Hut was off limits for a time.

 

[CypherNinja]

When I hear supposed allies beat this drum, I feel like kicking someone in the nuts.

bsf, you are a gentleman and a scholar.

I love this place.