Minimum caliber for dog protection

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Let's take a breath and relax.

I've been dealing with dogs for a long time. I love dogs. I don't operate under any unrealistic assumptions when it comes to dogs. Large dogs can and do hurt hundreds of people every year.

Any encounter with a loose/unaccompanied dog over a weight of about 20 pounds calls for a measure of caution. A large number of people are bitten because they walk up to a strange dog and start handling him, and then they're all shocked and outraged when the dog reacts badly. What would your first response be if a stranger walked up and started pawing at you?

Never approach a strange dog. If the dog approaches you, he'll let you know if he wants to be petted. Don't assume that he does. I can't emphasize this enough. Don't look the dog in the eye until he indicates that it's okay. If it's not...don't run from the dog.

All dogs will bite. That's what they're engineered to do. Whether defensive in nature...predatory...or protective, it makes no difference. Push the wrong buttons and you may regret it.

Most bites are rooted in fear. Most bites are warnings...not attacks. It can range from a painful bruise to a crippling or maiming injury...but most bites are not attacks. A genuine attack is brutal and shocking.

A stick is a good defensive weapon. So is pepper spray. A gun is the ultimate, but is rarely necessary to ward off an aggressive dog. I've shut more than a few down by simply yelling: NO! BAD DOG!

If more people used a measure of common sense, the number of bites and/or attacks would drop to a fraction of the national average. Cesar's three rules are good ones. No talk. No touch. No eye contact.
 
3. In 2010 THIRTY FOUR people were killed in dog attacks in the US.

You seem to be implying that 34 is a large number. It is not. Get a little perspective. The population of the US is around 320,000,000 counting illegals.
Cows kill FAR FAR more people every year than dogs do. COWS This is why I kill every cow I see. Sometimes I stop on the side of the road and shoot an entire herd, just to be safe. Never know when they might decide to stampede.
If you look here you will see that in 2005, Tractors killed 16 people in Wisconsin alone. http://www.wiscash.uwex.edu/Pages/StatisticsAndMiscDocuments/FatalitiesReports/fatal05.htm

What gun for a Ford 8N?


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Don't forget lightning!! :what:

64 people are killed each year in the US by lightning and that's why I always go jogging with a copper rod to protect myself against that evil bastard!!
 
Sam Cade

3. In 2010 THIRTY FOUR people were killed in dog attacks in the US.
You seem to be implying that 34 is a large number. It is not. Get a little perspective.


There are ~ 1 bear deaths per year.

Count how many "gun for bear protection" threads there are on the internet.

What does it all mean?

We need more "guns for protection against dogs" threads. Lots more.

I could post pics of my pit bull attack scars.
 
"You seem to be implying that 34 is a large number. It is not. Get a little perspective. The population of the US is around 320,000,000 counting illegals.
Cows kill FAR FAR more people every year than dogs do. COWS This is why I kill every cow I see. Sometimes I stop on the side of the road and shoot an entire herd, just to be safe. Never know when they might decide to stampede.
If you look here you will see that in 2005, Tractors killed 16 people in Wisconsin alone. http://www.wiscash.uwex.edu/Pages/St...ts/fatal05.htm

What gun for a Ford 8N?"

^ It's silly comments like this that get these type of threads closed. ^

Don't ruin it for the rest of us that actually want to learn something.
 
Don't ruin it for the rest of us that actually want to learn something.

What exactly is there to learn here?

Dogs are like any other animal and can be killed with proper shot placement by any caliber with sufficient penetration.

There are usually better alternatives to gunplay.

What else is there to be said?
 
dog murdering

l shot a lot of dogs with a 22. None of them dropped dead, but they all changed thier minds about what they were doing. l was trying to free range chickens. The last pooch that showed up l tr:eek::eek::eek::eek:ained to gaurd the chickens, a far superior solution. Get your own rough dog and take it with you. This worked for me. A good stout stick to back your dog up with is a good idea.
 
REALLY???? Some people!

micro uzi on the jogging suit. Ankle holster for the 380. Double edged knife on the weak side. Come on. The biggest baddest dog can be dropped with a 22 lr using stingers. If you are jogging/walinkg for exercise, then carry a 38 special in a snub, or a concealed size 380/9/40. Any will work. Common sense people.
People want to bring up the grizzly bears of dogs. The average dog is less the 80 lbs. Any quality weapon today will kill the animal. If you are attacked, and have time, shoot dog as many times as needed, if surprised, stuff your forarm in its mouth, pull weapon, shoot dead. Then go to doctor and get checked out. When you get scared, that is the time to get mean. Dont let fear grip you. After all it isn;t a Lion, Grizzly, or Croc that is trying to bite you.
 
You seem to be implying that 34 is a large number. It is not. Get a little perspective

I stated a number. There was no implication. Any implication made was yours not mine. The numbers are only a statement that is can and does happen. To pretend that it doesn't is foolish. While you guys can say this or that killed more people its a fact that most dog attacks are not fatal. I'm sure the 9000 plus people who are hospitalized each year by dog attacks are happy to be alive. Most people shot by handguns also survive, does that mean I shouldn't fear a man with a handgun?
 
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Any implication made was yours not mine

You put it in all caps, to give weight to the statement.

Emergency rooms treat an average 1008 people for dog bites each DAY.
Emergency rooms treat an average of 8,000 children for sports related injuries each DAY.

What caliber for soccer balls?

So while you can ignore the facts the rest of us are wise enough to realize the possibility of being attacked...

The possibility exists but it is vanishingly small and could be reduced to statistical zero if people followed the advice of post #226
 
Dude you arguments are childish. Are you saying kids shouldn't wear shinguards for soccer or helmets for football? What exactly is your point? Yes, more people are injured doing other things. You can feel free to make your point any time now.
 
You can feel free to make your point any time now

see post #232
Dogs are like any other animal and can be killed with proper shot placement by any caliber with sufficient penetration.
There are usually better alternatives to gunplay.

..and 1911Tuner in Post #226
If more people used a measure of common sense, the number of bites and/or attacks would drop to a fraction of the national average. Cesar's three rules are good ones. No talk. No touch. No eye contact.
 
shooting aggresive animals or sick ones in the head should be avoided. Skulls deflect bullet and brains are required for rabies checks
 
I had the same experience as an earlier poster. About 20 years ago my roommate's dog was run over by a car. It was a very large Chesapeake Bay retriever. The dog was loudly whining and what looked to be terminally wounded laying in the road. My roommate and I decided the best thing to do would be to put the dog out of it's misery. Anyway I stood about ten feet behind the dog and shot it right in the head with a six inch .357. To both my roommate and my surprise the dog jumped up and ran into a pump house in the front yard where he took shade in the summer. At this point we were pretty upset. The dog had been run over, I'd shot it in the head, the female driver and my roommate were totally inconsolably crying, frantic and maybe probably screaming; it's been over 20 years. So I had to go the pump house and with the dog looking at me put another round in him to put him down. It was a fairly traumatic experience.
 
Get a treadmill or move out of the ghetto my brother. Should be more worried about 2 legged snakes than dogs.

I'd think one well placed 32 hr mag shot would kill about any dog. Could be hard to get a good hit on them because they are fast though
 
I had the same experience as an earlier poster. About 20 years ago my roommate's dog was run over by a car. It was a very large Chesapeake Bay retriever. The dog was loudly whining and what looked to be terminally wounded laying in the road. My roommate and I decided the best thing to do would be to put the dog out of it's misery. Anyway I stood about ten feet behind the dog and shot it right in the head with a six inch .357. To both my roommate and my surprise the dog jumped up and ran into a pump house in the front yard where he took shade in the summer. At this point we were pretty upset. The dog had been run over, I'd shot it in the head, the female driver and my roommate were totally inconsolably crying, frantic and maybe probably screaming; it's been over 20 years. So I had to go the pump house and with the dog looking at me put another round in him to put him down. It was a fairly traumatic experience.
I saw a dog get hit once in the middle of the city and watched as it writhed in pain, I thought someone should put it down.

Apparently, it only had the wind knocked out of him as, about five minutes later, it got up and jogged down the sidewalk just like nothing ever happened! Someone later told me the dog most likely just got the wind knocked out of him.

I hope your dog was in worse shape than that for you to put it down!
 
Do a search on fatal pit bull attacks, go to images, and look for children with the throats torn out.

...or you could look at an analysis of every fatal dog attack in 2009 in the US instead.
Most of the dogs involved in fatalities in 2009, however they may have been described in the news, were found to be dogs of unknown pedigree. In nine of these incidents there is documentation (n=4) or other reasonable evidence (n=5) that the dog or dogs were pure-*bred dogs. Six different breeds were identified in these nine incidents.

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/2009-DBRF-Booklet-FINAL-11.pdf
 
So we can carry guns to defend ourselves against people.... but once you throw dogs into the picture a lot of folks seem to get offended. Plain and simple thing is in most situations where you have to use a firearm to defend your life you will be held responsible for that actions that you take. Whether a person, a dog, or a black bear is at the other end of your gun you should take the situation seriously.

Some folks are dog experts, some are skilled in hand to hand combat... who knows some of you may be bear whisperers too. Bottom line is everyone comes to the table with a different experience. If you have to defend yourself by all means do, but we should not judge each other based on our own expertise, or lack thereof.

I have seen some wild dogs I would not think twice about shooting if they came near me if for no other reason than they fall into the nuisance category like coyotes, especially if you are tending land with animals; however, that doesn't mean I'm going to cap Sparky the first time he gets a bad attitude either. Not all dogs are house pets.....

More and more it seems that people who make decisions about their animals that society by and large doesn't like... well those people are dealt with like common criminals. I do not condone animal cruelty; however, what happens to the old farmer who puts a dog out of its misery? What if I don't have the $400 it costs to put my dog to sleep if it is no longer fit to live? What about the Korean woman who ha eaten dog all her life

Animals rights movements have gone a little too far, and have ascribed varying levels of value to domesticated animals based on emotions instead of their value to the owner as property.
 
Nothing like a good dog or cats love. It's pretty much unconditional.
They won't divorce you, and take half your stuff, money, house, car, and rip your heart out.

Putting them down is more difficult, because most people have some horrible feature that compensates for the love you feel towards them. Cats and dogs don't, or you are more willing to forgive your pets short comings.

This is why shooting, or harming someone's animal, if they are good people,
and therefore usually have good dogs, is such a bad act.

The animal generally reflects the owner. Just as some people shouldn't be allowed to raise children, or have them, likewise some people shouldn't be able to own animals. Mike Vick comes to mind...:fire:
 
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Some dogs are dangerous, and I'd suggest a good can of pepper spray, as they are a damn difficult target to HIT when they are charging you, and I'd rather not shoot myself in the foot after they have latched on.
 
FDF - I watched a dog get hit a few weeks ago. He ended up at the animal hospital, shattered pelvis, rib pokes through most of his internal organs, bleeding out internally, and they put him down.

Poor guy did get up and hobble on three legs a few steps when I put him in the back of the truck.
 
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