Missing NO Police Officers didn't exist in the first place ??

[Oldtimer]

When I first heard that as many as 500 NOLA police had gone AWOL, that number didn't sound right. It has supposedly been "adjusted" to either 200 or only 12....take your pick!

The most recent rumor that I've heard is that the former Chief of Police and Mayor weren't able to produce the police department employment records, and claimed that they had been "destroyed" during the flooding. There WERE some employment records that were located, and that was when the discrepancy of manpower was noted (1700 eventually became 1200....even though payroll records disclosed that 1700 paychecks were regularly issued).

Uh, kind of interesting that Mayor Nagan purchased a home in Dallas, and paid CASH for it! One of my friends in LA says that the former NOLA Chief of Police has "vanished"!

The City of New Orleans has been under almost constant scrutiny by the feds over the past 25 years. The NOLA PD has also been under fed investigation for such things as mere corruption, all the way up to "contract" murders. It is well known that gambling has always had a strong foothold in NOLA, and you can bet that it has also had more than its fair share of narco trafficing and "money laundering". The past several Mayors of NOLA have left office as millionaires!

 

[Warren]

I wonder if this is connected somehow.

New Orleans Times-Picayune, September 6:

Specialists working for the New Orleans Notorial Archives have been
stymied in trying to enter the city and rescue some of the most
historic documents in the city’s history, from original land grants
to slave sale records and title records. The Notorial Archives hired
Munters Corp., a Swedish document-salvage firm that freezes and then
freeze-dries records to slowly remove moisture from them. But
Munters’s refrigerated trucks were turned away by uniformed troops as
they tried to enter the city, said Stephen Bruno, custodian of the
archives. The trucks were headed to the Civil District Courthouse on
Poydras Street, where many of the city’s real estate documents are
housed, and to the Amoco building at 1340 Poydras St., which houses
historic documents such as a letter from Jean Lafitte to Washington
demanding for his expenditures during the Battle of New Orleans. Eddy
Pokluda, head of national sales for Munters in Dallas, said the
company tried to get one person in to make an assessment of the
damage but was turned away, even though days earlier they had
arranged with New Orleans Police Department to have an escort into
the city.

“I don’t think people realize the importance of these records. It’s
imperative we get in there and see if these can be saved,” Pokluda
said.

 

[Borachon]

They're all dead. The "missing" police officers are being "written out of existence" like the people in George Orwell's "1984". The possible number of dead in the National Geographic article of 2004 about a hurricane hitting NO was 50,000 dead. So far they only admit to 2000-ish dead. I personally believe the figure is much higher. I believe Geraldo when he says "a stack of bodies".

But if a big chunk of bodies were to hit the national news, it would all be blamed on incompetent public officials....including federal officials. They don't want that. So instead of admitting that 400 or 500 cops died on the job, they are going to pretend they never existed in the first place. Up to and including writing them out of existence. Compass probably objected to this when he was read the riot act and decided not to play ball.

 

[Bigfoot]

50,000 died, and a massive government conspiracy covering it up is easier to believe than fraud in NO?

 

[Car Knocker]

Borachon,

And the families of the 400 to 500 dead cops are ALL going along with the deception?

 

[Capteddie]

Anyone care to wager whether all 400-500 will show back up around election time to vote for Nagin and Blanco.

 

[Firethorn]

They're all dead. The "missing" police officers are being "written out of existence" like the people in George Orwell's "1984". The possible number of dead in the National Geographic article of 2004 about a hurricane hitting NO was 50,000 dead. So far they only admit to 2000-ish dead. I personally believe the figure is much higher. I believe Geraldo when he says "a stack of bodies".

But if a big chunk of bodies were to hit the national news, it would all be blamed on incompetent public officials....including federal officials. They don't want that. So instead of admitting that 400 or 500 cops died on the job, they are going to pretend they never existed in the first place. Up to and including writing them out of existence. Compass probably objected to this when he was read the riot act and decided not to play ball.

Actually, I think that the tradition of having extra 'people' on the rolls, like what some Roman commanders did, would be a far easier explanation. I mean, the dead rise every year to vote. What's a few phantom police officers?

You have a few hundred non-existant deputies on the payroll and that adds up to some nice bribe money.

 

[kikilee]

If this is true: WOW, just WOW!!!! So maybe it wasn't the gun confiscation thing that led to his resignation. 400 ghost payrollers, that's impressive, even by Chicago standards !!!

Surely you jest. If you Google police corruption it shows a map of Chicago!



.

 

[c_yeager]

Borachon,

And the families of the 400 to 500 dead cops are ALL going along with the deception?

Clearly the government has eliminated these people with the help of some kind of alien super-race OR they have simply been moved to the missile base in Atlantis. DUH!

 

[scout26]

Surely you jest. If you Google police corruption it shows a map of Chicago!

Yes, we even had a mayor who had been a ghost payroller. But having roughly 25-30% of your work force as ghosts, has got to be some kind of record !!!\



Borachon,
I would go with the full body wrap of Aluminum foil. Remember to keep the shiny side out !!!!

 

[pete f]

My sisters first real job was working for the chicago school board. she handled paperwork for new hires getting them insurance cards and w2s, enrolled in retirement plans and all the little things that happen when you get hired. about three months after she started she got a packet of a new hire that she recognised, she copied some of it and brought it home. The reason she had recognised that name was becasue she had gone to his funeral!
after a while she started to look for things that would make her think something was fishy about a new hire...the biggest thing was two adresss and a po box for mailing checks. she decided that in the maintenance and grounds sections, 1 out of 5 was a dead person. teachers were harder, but if a teacher died during the school year, they were kept on the payroll for along time. Also, the foodservice and parapro ranks were run about the same as building and grounds.

It was common practice for them to mine obits for eligible people to hire. There was one woman there who all she did was file tax returns for dead people. It was organised and it was fully vested. everyone got a piece. plus no one was going to blow the whistle, they all knwe what would happen. The Public works dept was even worse. Someyears ago there was discovered that at the rate the city was paying, every street in chicago should have been repaved every 5-7 years. not every15 -17 as it was done. we are talking BILLIONS of loose dollars there

NYC has had some of the same issues as has Baltimore, San Fran, and I am sure others, I know when my sister left the school district, she was called in for a meeting and was basically told what you have seen here never leaves the building, or something bad will happen to you.

 

[UnknownSailor]

I also heard about this on the Tony Snow show. I read later that the NO police dept used reserve officers, part timers, and other "auxiliary" types to fill out their numbers to qualify for Federal law enforcement money. I guess to recieve Federal money, there has to be a certain percentage of police per persons in a city, or some such thing like that.

Still, it's a disgrace, and one that I'm sure will get buried in the same hole that the stories about the misdeeds commited by displaced Louisana residents go into.

 

[Borachon]

You have a few hundred non-existant deputies on the payroll and that adds up to some nice bribe money.

And if the FBI got wind of it and investigated your department, you'd have a bigger scandal than "Serpico".

People are a little too quick around here to buy into the "corruption explains everything" argument that has been used by the Feds to pass blame onto Louisiana and New Orleans. Are they corrupt down there? Oh yeah! But I also know that they got BUSTED big time just a few years ago on police corruption charges by the Feds. A good reason to keep your nose clean if ever I heard one.

The most recent rumor that I've heard is that the former Chief of Police and Mayor weren't able to produce the police department employment records, and claimed that they had been "destroyed" during the flooding.

Okay...that being the case....how are families going to complain about their missing officer relatives? As far as anyone knows, they never worked there in the first place. You won't have their names. Now, of course, the relatives WILL know they worked there, and that they died on duty. So those relatives get full benefits (hush money) but you don't have to tell the rest of the World that those officers died because of Hurricane Katrina. All the relatives will know is that ONE COP...their cop....died during the Hurricane. They won't know about the other five hundred (it's probably not five hundred...probably more like 100 or 150) who died. And they will be getting full benefits...so why report anything wrong to anyone? Because...from their perspecitve....nothing is. Their man died; they got the pension. If the gov mentions that 15 police officers died during the NO event, the people will just assume that their man is one of the 15.

50,000 died, and a massive government conspiracy covering it up is easier to believe than fraud in NO?

If I'd told you two days before the hurricane that FEMA was going to sit on it's butt and do nothing (except pick out the finest restaurants for their boss to go to) would you have thought I was a conspiracy nut then? Yeah...probably you would.

The 50000 figure comes from the National Geographic article of 2004. I didn't make that one up. That was their estimate of the possible number of dead.
Actually I wish now that the news media would show dead bodies on the news. Someone other than the gov could count them then.

What I find easy to believe is that FEMA and the rest of the Feds may be looking for ANYONE to blame for why they didn't show up for 5 days after the event. A lot of dead bodies would be blamed on the poor response of FEMA...and the President.

Also...I've asked this before....did any one of you listen to the online scanner traffic that came from the NO police department during the hurricane? I listened to a little. There were some freaky calls. Police refusing to leave their safe areas because they were receiving fire. Police cars hijacked. AK 47s fired at police stations. Reports of wounded. Office down calls. The whole nine yards.

Some quotes and links I found about the dead in NO:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/krwashbureau/20051021/ts_krwashbureau/_wea_storms_bodies_1

But he'd have to work by federal rules. Living out of trailers, he'd be a guest of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and he suddenly found himself restrained by copious regulations and guidelines.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/krwashbureau/20051019/ts_krwashbureau/_wea_storms_coroner_1

There were dealings with other agencies. Minyard complained that FEMA units would close the morgue when their teams had finished work for the day, although FEMA spokesman Don Kelly disputes that.

But all that has meant little to bereaved families who are awaiting funerals or insurance benefits that require death certificates. In Louisiana, if a person is missing, without a body, the state requires two years before pronouncing death.

Two years would be enough time to let the heat die down politically for FEMA. The "missing" would be just that...missing. Not dead until two years were up.

Also, 215 people died at NO hospitals during the hurricane. Another 34 died at the nursing home where the people were accused of murder. That's almost 25% of the people reported dead so far. This is a very small number of the buildings that exist in NO. There are literally thousands of other buildings in the city and many of the ones that flooded quickly were in poor neighborhoods. People couldn't get out.

I just believe that more people have died than they have let on. Call it instinct or premonition or whatever.

And call me a nut case. I'm reminded of the stories of a few other nutcases and of all those sheep who were told that the cattle cars were taking everyone for resettlement in the East...and how those people ridiculed the "conspiracy theorists" who believed all those "wild rumors" about death camps.

I may very well be wrong about the numbers...and about a coverup. But at least I questioned it and didn't just take what was spoon fed to me.

For the moment I'll just suffer your barbs...and wait until the Dems are in office and they expose the whole thing.

 

[Bigfoot]

Well, that was some great stuff, but here's the best line by far.

...and wait until the Dems are in office and they expose the whole thing.

Says it all doesn't it. It's Bushes fault, including the coverup, and the good guy Dems will fix it all for us. Dude, it's a Dem city, in a Dem state, has been for decades. And you yourself admitted how crooked they are. I don't get it, but then I stay away from the Daily Kos and Dem Underground wackos so I may out of touch.

Hey, you probably think the major media, including Dan Rather, are too far right wing and that's why they are complicit in this vast conspiracy.

Reality bites doesn't it?

 

[Waitone]

Te media, especially MSM, does an outstanding job of selective reporting. If it can impose a blackout on Able Danger it can shut down any reporting of garden variety corruption in the most corrupt of all cities. Remember, the issue is not corruption. The issue is the degree of corruption.

 

[one-shot-one]

great post scout26

except for your sig.line
GO
'STRO's

 

[Koobuh]

Borachon, you are quite correct.

Much of the city was in fact not searched before searching was abridged, and many, many buildings were not searched because they were locked or otherwise inaccessible by the searchers. They simply moved on at the least resistance to search efforts.
Really, most of the dead will never be found. Many were devoured by wildlife, others swept up in the pumping system (any system that moves that much water doesn't care about little things like debris, even stuff bigger than humans), and all too many simply dissolved into the muck.
New bones will be found for decades in soft earth areas of the city, and many, many corpses will be discovered festering inside of long abandoned buildings.

 

[Art Eatman]

It's pretty easy to believe almost any evil from within Louisiana. When a Louisiana ex-US Rep comments, "Half of Louisiana is under water; the other half is under indictment," why not believe?

A FEMA official, recently testifying before Congress, stated that his Louisiana state coordinator was gone from that position, and hadn't been replaced. "What happened to the coordinator?" asked the Senator. "He's under indictment," came the answer.

Great place...

Art

 

[Borachon]

It's Bushes fault, including the coverup, and the good guy Dems will fix it all for us.

Nah, I'm not a Dem. Voted for GW Bush in the last election. Look at my state of residence. I'm from Mississippi. We went 65% Republican in the last election. Only the African American population and a few liberals voted Dem in our state. Of course, their "only" percentage of the population is around 40%.

The reason I said the Dems would expose it is to embarass the Republicans. Once they get into power...possibly the next election (if the economy and gas prices don't improve)...they'll point out how "evil" the Republicans were just to gain points. Once they are in political office, they'll have access to the facts and figures to back it up.

That's all I meant.

Really....right now....I'd love to see a third party candidate that I could vote for. We need to kick the Republicans AND Democrats out.