Missing the Security-Six?

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I have a 4” stainless Security Six I bought used. There’s some sort of inventory number engraved inside the frame with an electric pencil. It has the tightest chambers of any revolver I own. Lead bullet reloads that will chamber in every other gun I own won’t fully seat in it. For that reason I rarely shoot it.
 
Nice collection! I believe most Speed sixes were in .357. I used to stay away from Six Series guns because Ruger doesn't support them anymore. I bought my first in 38 spl figuring it would be hard to wear out since it's the same gun as the 357 except for the chamber depth. Now I realize there's quite a few SS still in good shape after 40 years. Prices have really gone up in the past few months though.
Yes, the GP-100s are great range guns. You unpack your range bag, load, and fire. The underlug keeps the muzzle from flipping and when you're done, you pack the gun up and go home to clean it. What's not to like? Well, what if you're hiking a brisk eighteen miles through Western terrain and you need a weapon for protection against bear, cougar or dog packs? Who wants to haul a 6-inch S&W 686 or GP-100 when they could be carrying a S&W 66 or Ruger Security-Six?

Back when the S&W 66/Ruger Security-Six 6-inchers were in production, gun magazine articles had beautiful photos of men hunting with these guns in the snow, showcasing their stainless steel resistance to inclement weather. But when the underlug barrels hit market, the hunting. emphasis went right out the proverbial window!. With many states foolishly requiring .357s to have a minimum of a six-inch tube for hunting, no one wanted to haul a 6-inch .357 w/underlug for miles in the wilderness, people had to rely on used M66s (already a rare commodity) or Ruger stainless Security-Sixes. In those days, an M66-no dash in 2.5-/4- or 6-inches was already as scarce as hen's teeth. And you had to know somebody to get one. Most gun stores charged way over retail for these gems, and my dealer refused to charge over retail. I used my grace to get a S&W 629 from him, so getting an M66 was impossible! Another dealer close by required customers put down $$$ months in advance, and if the "value" (not the retail price) went up, the customer had to pay the difference. Things got so bad that S&W had to put out a notice reminding customers that the guns they received were produced for the retail price and not the actual price they paid. So if they paid $650 for the stainless steel gun they got, and the retail price was $450, they should not expect to get a $650 gun because they paid that much. It was a weird policy!

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The GS-33-PS Speed Six special contract for the Postal Service is 3" in .357. There's two on GB right now. Other agencies had 357 3" Speed Sixes but all the 3" Speed Sixes whether 38 spl or 357 were special contract guns. So if yours is 3-inch it's not a gun offered to the general public by Ruger. Very nice, BTW.
Thanks. When I had my FFL, I saw an ad in Shotgun News for some Speed-Six stainless revolvers. GREAT PRICE. Wow! I thought. Dirt prices. Then I saw the fine print. Thirty-eight Special. Dang. No wonder. So I called a gunsmith in northern Virginia and he said, sure. Sixty-five bucks per. So I ordered two and got them cheap. When I got them I was hooked. Damn, they were gorgeous and felt great in the hand! So I took them to the gunsmith and he did a great job. Dropped a .357 140 Speer JHP bullet into each chamber and none of them fell through. Can't beat that.

If I'd had more money to burn I would have ordered more. I still have both and I've only shot one of them, and that had less than a box of +P And eighteen .357 125gr JHPs. Very accurate, but I had to file a little off the front sight.

I have a 4” stainless Security Six I bought used. There’s some sort of inventory number engraved inside the frame with an electric pencil. It has the tightest chambers of any revolver I own. Lead bullet reloads that will chamber in every other gun I own won’t fully seat in it. For that reason I rarely shoot it.
What's the problem, I wonder? Do you have any photos?

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I have a 4” stainless Security Six I bought used. There’s some sort of inventory number engraved inside the frame with an electric pencil. It has the tightest chambers of any revolver I own. Lead bullet reloads that will chamber in every other gun I own won’t fully seat in it. For that reason I rarely shoot it.
Maybe a previous owner shot 38 spl for a couple decades and fouled the chambers. If I shoot a few cylinders of 38 spl in my Speed Six 357, it won't chamber 357 until I give it a good brushing. I'm sure you already tried that though. If I alternate a cylinder of 357 it seems to blow out the crud from the 38s.
 
I've had these since they first came out. Never considered selling them. They are "keepers".
Looks like neither had been shot. The only thing I don't really like about the Rugers (any of them) is their sights. I think I of Ruger removed some of the steel and invested more in the sights that they would sell more. Any real use makes them look like someone has put them in a dryer.

The Security-Six has less steel, but Millett doesn't make rear or front sights for them any more. Does anyone know anyone that makes sights for them?

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This is the Ruger Security-Six featured on the lap of Linda Hamilton in the first
Terminator movie. Notice it ain't loaded, but it does have Millett sights, as does
the gun in the first two photos.

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Yes, all my chambers are tight as well. The lock-ups on the GP-100s are supposed to be hot stuff, too, but I don't see any accuracy improvement between the Security-Six and the GP-100s. The only "improvement" is more steel. It retards the recoil, but you also have to haul it with you! I love the 2.75-inch Ruger Security-Six and Speed-Six guns way more than the later guns.

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There is no doubt that the Security Sixes are better balanced than the GP100.
I keep my old Security Six 4" in my safe for when my GP100 has to go in for a new barrel.
That won't be long, the forcing cone went on it in under 3k rounds, I called Ruger and they pretty much said "it sucks to be you", but they would re-barrel it for $250.00.
I'm still shooting the GP100 because it hasn't cracked yet and is still fairly accurate. The face of the forcing cone is burnt to crap. This happened with 1000 fps 158 gr loads with plated bullets, so I'm not so sure about the quality of the steel in the new ones.

The forcing cone on my Security Six and old Blackhawk look as good as they probably did when they were new. This Security Six is one gun I'll never part with for any reason.
It's just now pleasantly broke in.
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Would you mind posting pictures of your forcing cone? I would like to see that, not that I am doubting you by the way just very intrigued by it and wondering what that looks like.
 
I don't know if I can find that post, I already put pics of it on here once. If I can't find it, I'll take another picture of it.
I'd like more opinions on it anyways.
 
I just took this with my cell phone camera so, This is after 3600 some plated bullets with BE-86 loads from 6.8-7.3 gr, Universal loads, midrange Blue Dot loads and others. All with plated or lead bullets. It has seen 100 of my 2400 hunting loads yet.
Some of the cut lines go to the inside of the lip, but I don't have any other revolvers that have ever done this at all. No matter what brand.
There isn't even any gas cutting above the barrel.
Any ideas?
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This is my Security Six. I expect that little bit of flame cutting from an old work horse after 37 years. But not the amount my GP has after 3600 rounds.

Am I being over critical?

Edit: The Security Six has a little flame cutting on the top strap. What I would consider normal for a Ruger, because I never thought they had much of a top strap flame cutting problem. Just enough to say "look how long I lasted".

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Can you tell if it is more prevalent on one side or another? I have seen that when the forcing cone was not exactly square but usually that would show greater wear to one side. I would say there is something wrong with the metallurgy or the hardening process was not right. I am shocked with this picture by Ruger's reply as it almost feels like they think this is normal wear. Or maybe they are saying that because you fired reloads?

I am baffled because this 44 Magnum S&W 629 has over 5000 rounds through it and the forcing cone did not have this kind of wear. http://www.dayattherange.com/?p=893
 
Ruger has done some awful looking things with the GP100 in recent years.

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Whatever happened to classically styles double action revolvers? The new junk now looks more like an airsoft gun.
It's not a GP100 and it's a match gun. The cylinder is made that way to reduce rotating mass. It's also very short for the 9mm cartridge it chambers. You picked an anomaly to condemn the whole product line.
 
It's not a GP100 and it's a match gun. The cylinder is made that way to reduce rotating mass. It's also very short for the 9mm cartridge it chambers. You picked an anomaly to condemn the whole product line.

Wrong.

NONE of them including the normal GP100 look as classic and “old school” as the Six series. You are mistaken friend.
 
Every time I see a Ruger Security-Six, I wonder what the improvements were that Ruger felt was necessary to implement in the GP-100? Forcing cone? The Security-Six was designed from the ground up to be a.357, and they are known to digest tens of thousands of hot magnum rounds. Frame stretching perhaps? Nah...even the Speed-/Service-Sixes had no problem eating tens of thousands of rounds with no stretching. Flame cutting? Nope. Recoil? Okay, you got me here, but while the Security-Six was being produced, I never heard any gun writers complain, even in passing, that the Security-Six had too much kick. No one even complained about the S&W 13/65/19/66's recoil. They just didn't hold up to steady diets of hot magnum rounds. How about the triad locking system of the GP-100? Was the Security-Six shooting loose with its locking system? Well, no. They were, and still are, shooting tens of thousands of hot magnum loads and show no problems yet.

So what made Ruger think the Security-Six needed replacing? I can't recall?

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The Security-Six cylinder is thicker and stronger than S&W's cylinders.

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The forcing cone, although similar in size to the Model 66's forcing cone,
Is nowhere near as robust, and will last much longer!

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Some of the cut lines go to the inside of the lip, but I don't have any other revolvers that have ever done this at all. No matter what brand.There isn't even any gas cutting above the barrel.Any ideas?View attachment 962191
I don't know what the problem is, but there could be an issue with the heat treat because something ain't right with that picture! The steaks all go in the same direction as it the blasts were centered in the middle of the barrel (which is what happens when you shoot the gun). You need to send that photo to folks at Ruger, after which I predict they will want to see your gun and replace the barrel.

Hot magnum blasts tend to leech carbon out of the steel, which cause marks like those you see on the forcing cone. After awhile the remaining steel will begin to disintegrate. Stainless steel usually has enough chromium in it that it resists this leeching a bit better than carbon steel, but something in your case seems to have speeded up the process. If only the chromium is left, your gun's forcing cone (and the rest of the barrel you can't see) will deteriorate.

I don't know whether you like underlugs on barrels, but if you don't and Ruger wants to swap out your barrel, ask them to give you a barrel without an underlug. And if you'd rather have a shorter, or longer, barrel, they may be able to accommodate you. Ruger screwed up an LCR I purchased, and they weren't producing them when I returned it. I said, fine, I'll take an SP-101 instead, and they said okay and paid for the paperwork. So I got a gun I wanted more and at no cost. What kind of a barrel length is your GP-100?

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Blued Ruger Security-Six w/6-inch barrel.

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Can you tell if it is more prevalent on one side or another?
It's pretty much the whole way around.
I think it's bad steel also.

I don't know whether you like underlugs on barrels, but if you don't and Ruger wants to swap out your barrel, ask them to give you a barrel without an underlug.

I like that idea. I will have it re-barreled after accuracy starts to go away or the forcing cone cracks.
I won't be buying any more of their new stuff. I just get tired of everyone say how good their customer service is, and they will fix this and they will fix that when they won't.
Too much internet lure.
 
Confederate, Revolver Guy,
I will email them a picture of it to see what these people say, since they should be different than the last person I talked to.
I will keep you posted on what happens , but I'll start my own thread instead of highjacking someone elses.
 
Wrong.

NONE of them including the normal GP100 look as classic and “old school” as the Six series. You are mistaken friend.
No, I'm 110% certain you chose the ONLY gun that looks like that, obviously without understanding its purpose and used it to condemn the whole product line.

Point of fact, the Redhawk is an overgrown Security Six.

Without the underlug, the GP looks exactly like a Security Six. Except that just like the L-frame, it's actually designed to withstand a lifetime of magnum loads. Most people must like the underlug because they're far and away more popular.

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