MISSION: Kroger hypocrites banning CCW in Ohio stores

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My email reply was the same canned response that "deanf" got.Trust me people,even if this werent an issue you should take your business elsewhere.Kroger really, truly is an EVIL company that cares nothing about their employees.Kroger is the :evil: as ive stated before!
 
I got the same reply from Cassie Bargo...and fired off this response...might as well keep the customer service folks busy while we push back on this issue.

Dear Cassie,
There are two glaring flaws in your statement. First, the thought that a CCW holder makes a location less safe. The opposite is true. Ohio CCW holders have undergone background checks that insure that they have NEVER had a felony conviction, have never been convicted of a drug offense, and have actually passed a background check. Can you say the same about ALL of your customers (or all of your employees for that matter)?

Second, and most insultingly, Kroger has only posted signs in the Dayton/Cincinnati markets. They must trust their Toledo customers more than those of us in Dayton. Krogers also trusts their customers in Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan and Pennsylvania (just to name the states that directly border Ohio and have CCW) more that they trust Ohioans. It is time for Krogers to put an end to this discriminatory and hypocritical policy. Advise me when they do and I'll return to your stores as a customer.

Sincerely,
Mark Berridge
Dayton, OH

Service Representative <[email protected]> wrote:





Dear Mr. Berridge:

Thank you for contacting The Kroger Co. regarding our recent decision to
post signs in some of our Ohio stores
asking our customers not to carry concealed weapons while in the store.
While the Ohio Conceal and Carry Law
does give individuals the right to carry a concealed weapon, it also gives
businesses the right to specify whether or
not they will allow customers to carry concealed weapons on their property.

We understand your stance as a shopper and respect your right to take it.
However, our obligation to our valued
customers is to not only provide them with quality products and services,
but also a safe place to shop. We have
noted your feedback and we value it. We appreciate your understanding in
this matter.

Please continue to contact us any time you have a question or comment.

Sincerely,



Cassie Bargo
Consumer Affairs

Safe place my backside....Just like the Akron Dairy Mart that was robbed and the manager pistol whipped...all with a No CCW sign on the front door. Doh!
 
I received the the same reply. I will shop elsewhere. Their loss not mine. They are many places to shop in Dayton. I don't need Krogers.
 
They need to hear that this is going to affect them nationwide, not just here in Ohio...like someone said before, they were surprised to hear from someone from California. The good news is that they appear to be crumbling and 'reconsidering' their stance, so hopefully the signs will come down.
 
Does anyone know for sure that Meijer doesn't plan to post signs?

I just called Meijer's customer service to ask. They are supposed to call me back with a definite answer.

I want to inform Kroger that they've just lost all my future business to Meijer, but I don't want to tell Kroger that until I know for sure that Meijer doesn't plan to post the signs themselves.
 
Email sent:
It has recently come to my attention that Kroger stores in Southern Ohio have posted signs prohibiting the legal
carrying of concealed handguns in your establishments. I will no longer spend one red cent in your Dillon store
in Pryor, Ok. until these signs come down. To disarm law-abiding citizens while the criminals will do what they
do naturally and without regard to your absurd signs is completely and utterly rediculous. I have already spoken
with my friends and family about his and they will also take their business elsewhere. We live in a rural area,
and guns are a big part of our lives. We are not scared of them, or the criminals who wish to harm us. We know
how to defend ourselves, and to try to strip that right from others who have trained and passed background checks
in order to defend themselves is insane. I am sure that as my friends and family spread the word, they will deter
others from funding your Anti-Second Amendment bigotry. Do you honestly think a criminal will stop and read that
sign and go back to put up his gun? Kinda foolish, isn't it?

Their reply:
Dear ****,

Thank you for contacting The Kroger Co. regarding our recent decision to
post signs in some of our Ohio stores asking our customers not to carry
concealed weapons while in the store. While the Ohio Conceal and Carry Law
does give individuals the right to carry a concealed weapon, it also gives
businesses the right to specify whether or not they will allow customers to
carry concealed weapons on their property.

We understand your stance as a shopper and respect your right to take it.
However, our obligation to our valued customers is to not only provide them
with quality products and services, but also a safe place to shop. We have
noted your feedback and we value it. We appreciate your understanding in
this matter.

Please continue to contact us any time you have a question or comment.

Sincerely,

John Langlitz
Consumer Affairs

My reply:
Safe place to shop? Do you disarm the police in your stores? This quote is taken from the Gun Owners of
America website:
http://www.gunowners.org/sk0802.htm
* Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many
criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).6 And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of
civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the
police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."7

Will you be responsible for those disarmed citizens who may be harmed because of your misguided hysteria?
Hopefully, Alan Korwin's "Gun Free Zone Liability Act" which establishes a civil cause of action for injury
sustained in a posted gun free zone that a reasonable person would consider to have been prevented by carrying
a firearm for defense, will be passed.
http://www.gunlaws.com/GFZ/index.htm
"A. Any person, organization or entity, or any agency of government that creates a gun-free zone shall be
liable for damages resulting from criminal conduct that occurs against an individual in such gun-free zone, if
a reasonable person would believe that possession of a firearm could have helped the individual defend against
such conduct. In the event the conduct is a result of a terrorist attack as federally defined, or adversely
affects a disabled person, a senior citizen or a child under 16 years of age, treble damages shall apply."
 
Do these idiots think we don't talk to one another?
Sportcat ..... apparently this IS what they think. Someone sent the URL of this thread yesterday ... I hope someone there will monitor it ... and then realize just how many views it might get .. add to that word of mouth .... possible geometric progression etc .... and could well be some significant hurt on their sales.

Do they think they are dealing with children!!

''Safe place to shop'' ..... damn, that really is the statement of the year!:rolleyes:
 
FYI, Meijer just called me back confirming that they have no intention of posting signs in any of their stores. They said they've never had any serious problems in other states except people accidentally flashing their gun. They said they have no problem with CCW, but "make sure you keep it concealed".
 
Does anyone know what type of liquor license most Kroger stores carry. CC may be prohibited in them in Ohio anyway. This law has wayyyyy too many restrictions.
 
Atticus,
The law only places a forced prohibition on CCW where alcohol is served, not sold in sealed containers. There is more info about that issue at ofcc.net where they explain that many smaller retailers are confused about the issue.
 
Dear Mr. Tucker,

Thank you for contacting The Kroger Co. regarding our recent decision
to
post signs in some of our Ohio stores asking our customers not to carry
concealed weapons while in the store. While the Ohio Conceal and Carry
Law
does give individuals the right to carry a concealed weapon, it also
gives
businesses the right to specify whether or not they will allow
customers to
carry concealed weapons on their property.

We understand your stance as a shopper and respect your right to take
it.
However, our obligation to our valued customers is to not only provide
them
with quality products and services, but also a safe place to shop. We
have
noted your feedback and we value it. We appreciate your understanding
in
this matter.

Please continue to contact us any time you have a question or comment.

Sincerely,

John Langlitz
Consumer Affairs
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Same form letter, different rep.:fire: :cuss:
 
I received the same old form email...

Thank you for contacting The Kroger Co. regarding our recent decision to
post signs in some of our Ohio stores asking our customers not to carry concealed weapons while in the store. While the Ohio Conceal and Carry Law does give individuals the right to carry a concealed weapon, it also gives businesses the right to specify whether or not they will allow customers to carry concealed weapons on their property.

We understand your stance as a shopper and respect your right to take it.
However, our obligation to our valued customers is to not only provide them with quality products and services, but also a safe place to shop. We have noted your feedback and we value it. We appreciate your understanding in this matter.
 
Yes I rec'd the same generic response as others.

I also called, and basically stated the liability if a CCW'er is hurt or worse because the are not allowed to carry. I used a Mom with a kid for an example. [ went for the heart string - litigation angle].

Maybe my definition of "Safe" is different from theirs...I don't care, me being me, I'll stick with my version.
 
Guys and Gals, now it's time to hit the discrimination button by name - as a function of equal treatment of all their customers in all their stores nationally.

I'm sure that they do business in other states, such as TX, that allow them the right to post signs but where they have not chosen to place them. Now, while Ohio law gives them the right to discriminate as to whether they wish to exclude Ohio CHL's from their store, Ohio law cannot give them the right to treat customers in one state differently from customers in any other state.

As a nationwide corporation, a failure to follow the exact same policy in all their stores nationwide (or at least in all the stores in states with similar laws) constitutes a pattern of deliberate discrimination against certified law-abiding customers in the state where their local policy is at odds with their existing national policy [as evidenced by their prior actions.]

How much are they going to like it when someone entices a newspaper to write a "Kroger Corp Deliberately Discriminates Against Southern Ohio Residents" article?

We need to point out that any "corporate policy" must be implemented in a uniform manner across the nation in order to not be discriminatory. [And, as a side note, this completely bypasses their canned "safety" response.]

Edited to add: On the question of their "safety" response, the logical extension of "customers are safer of we exclude Ohio CHL's" reasoning, is that their non-uniform policy endangers customers in all the other states where this policy is not implemented.

Anyone have an estimate of total CCW's nationally, so we can suggest how many customers they can alienate by implementing a non-discriminatory corporate policy?

Dex
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Note sent to them telling I will not shop in any Kroger's until they change the policy.

I also notified many gun owner friends.

We have been very successful in the past here in Michigan doing similar email campaigns.
 
You might point out two things: First, the legal requirements to get a CHL, about the FBI/NCIC check, the fingerprints, photo ID, etc.

Then, ask them just who do they think CHL folks are? Point out that they are the Kroger employees' and customers' doctors, lawyers, taxi drivers, restaurant cooks, school teachers and airline pilots--and more. Lives, health and money are already entrusted to these license holders...

Art
 
Art,
From my earlier letter:

Ohio CCW holders have undergone background checks that insure that they have NEVER had a felony conviction, have never been convicted of a drug offense, and have actually passed a background check. Can you say the same about ALL of your customers (or all of your employees for that matter)?

What we need to do now is get ahold of someone further up the food chain than the 'customer service' folks...preferably executive VP or higher...other than the continued pressure, it's gonna take someone with some clout to see the light to get something done...til then, no cash...(and I'm saving my receipts to mail copies to corporate)
 
From the nature, consistency and wording of the responses, these emails are getting no further than customer service. They evidently have a well-managed CS organization resulting in 3 part harmony from the same sheet of music.

I also suspect one individual is a sub region manager and either is not aware of the controversy or is a stalwart anti-second amendment type. Can't determine which from what I've seen so far.

It is also evident to me the district management has circled the wagons and has no interest in re-evaluating the policy. It called a "stonewall."

Someone will have to get on the horn and get ahold of someone in corporate marketing and explain the inconsistent, discriminatory, illogical, and insulting position ONE portion of ONE district has taken. We've already developed sufficient information to demonstrate screaming inconsisent implimentation of policy.

The key is corporate level now that it is evident the district is stonewalling.
 
Across the board,Kroger management likes to keep their heads buried in the sand and hope everythings OK.They are treating us with utter contempt about this issue.I wont spend a dime at Kroger and ive notified my friends in the King Soopers,City Market and Frys areas of their discrimination.I hope they lose a LOT of business.Couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of schmucks!
 
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