MN members - Rally a the State Capitol, April 28!

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Bill's Gun Shop and Range was incredibly cool about letting me plaster the joint with posters promoting the rally. I must have put up a couple of dozen, and when I left, employees were photocopying stacks more to set out on the counters.

I say we show our appreciation and go shooting there after the rally.

Who is in?
 
Look for me at the rally. We'll get together at the end and head to the range.

I'll be in a mustard colored sport coat and I look like this:
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It was a huge success! We cheered loudly, treated the "Minnesotans Against Getting Shot" (as if the rest of it are for it?) with respect, and outnumbered them four to one.

Joel Rosenberg did a fantastic job putting this together. He is a local hero!

Thanks to all who came. I am sunburned, dehydrated (Note to self: next time bring cooler full of cold drinks and wear sunscreen!) and quite happy!
 
Congratulations you guys!!! Wish I could have been there!

Here's a link (may require registration) and the column from the Star & Sickle:
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Last update: April 28, 2004 at 9:20 PM
Minnesota's gun law sparks rallies
Conrad Defiebre, Star Tribune
April 29, 2004GUN0429



One year after the passage of Minnesota's new handgun law, the deep divisions that remain over it were on display in dueling rallies Wednesday on the State Capitol steps. As about 200 mostly male gun-rights enthusiasts enjoyed birthday cake on the upper steps and 75 of their largely female opponents gathered a short distance below, the only potshots were verbal. But, in a controversy rich in sloganeering, they came at a rapid-fire pace.

"The Sky Didn't Fall" read a placard held up by gun-rights master of ceremonies Joel Rosenberg of Minneapolis to the cheers of a crowd bedecked in yellow stickers proclaiming "Have Gun, Will Vote."

" 'Personal Protection' is really about selling more guns!" answered a sign held by Lynne Westphal of Edina as gun-control advocates wearing T-shirts and buttons of "Minnesotans Against Being Shot" rallied around a pile of garbage bags marked "17,000 more handguns is nothing to celebrate."

Actually, more than 20,000 new permits to carry handguns in public have been issued by Minnesota sheriffs since Gov. Tim Pawlenty signed the new law on April 28, 2003.

That capped a seven-year crusade by advocates for "concealed carry reform." (The law took effect May 28; because of a 30-day application period, few permits were issued before the end of June.) As of this week, another 1,924 applications are pending.

That means the new law, which allows practically any adult who gets handgun training and passes criminal and mental health background checks to get a permit to carry, will shortly double the number of people licensed to pack heat on Minnesota streets from the 11,000 permit-holders under the old law.

Still, the numbers have fallen far short of the 50,000 permits projected in the first year of the new law by legislative analysts. They also predicted issuance of 90,000 permits within three years, which appears unlikely to be reached as well.

And proponents say that dire warnings of mayhem in the streets haven't come close to being realized.

"No one has reported an upsurge in gun crimes," Rep. Lynda Boudreau, R-Faribault, chief sponsor of the handgun law, told the crowd on the upper steps. "The positive use of firearms far outweighs their negative misuse. The right to self-defense is irrefutable, and it should not be denied to honest, upright citizens."

Boudreau was one of more than a dozen legislators, all Republicans and nearly all from outstate or the exurbs, at the gun-rights rally. Legislative supporters at the other gathering were all DFLers, nearly all of them from Minneapolis.

A DFL move to repeal the law and return to Minnesota's old system of broad discretion for sheriffs and police chiefs in issuing gun permits hasn't advanced in either the House or the Senate.

While gun-rights activists and a National Rifle Association representative from Virginia whom Boudreau described as having played "a significant role" in passage of Minnesota's new law were the main speakers on the upper steps, religious leaders did most of the talking down below. They decried the toll of more than 25,000 U.S. gun deaths every year for the last three decades, totaling more than all the nation's losses in war, they said.

"Nowhere in scripture do I find God telling people to arm themselves," said the Rev. Kim Smith-King of St. Luke's Presbyterian Church in Minnetonka. "The more guns that are out there, the more lives are going to be taken. We are here today to simply choose life."

Kate Krisik, social concerns director for the Minnesota Catholic Conference, quoted from a 1975 statement by a committee of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops that denounced handguns as "often the weapon of passion and suicide ... we call for effective and courageous action to control handguns, leading to their eventual elimination from society."

Up the steps, as supporters sang "Happy Birthday" to the new law, Walt Trucking of Upsala, Minn., waved a sign saying: "It's a shame Dru Sjodin didn't have a concealed carry weapon."

Conrad deFiebre is at [email protected].
 
I'd give that story a "C." Bummer. deFiebre usually is a little less free with the hyperbole.

Here's a pretty good one from the Pioneer Press: http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/local/8544204.htm

OF THE PEOPLE: Gun law turns 1 year old

BY JIM RAGSDALE

Pioneer Press


David Haagensen drives to work with his gun on the seat next to him, and he says it came in handy one night a few weeks ago.

Haagensen, attending one of two competing events Wednesday that commemorated the passage of the state's new gun law, said he foiled an attempted carjacking as he was on his way to work the late shift at Abbott Northwestern Hospital in Minneapolis.

"I pointed it at his head, because he was trying to open my locked door, and he was pointing a gun at me,'' he said. "He ran away. I drove to work and called the cops.''

Minneapolis police confirmed that Haagensen reported the April 9 incident and that they are investigating.

Haagensen added his voice to an enthusiastic gathering on the steps of the state Capitol. With congratulatory speeches, a "Happy Birthday'' sing-along and even a birthday cake, concealed-weapons enthusiasts celebrated Gov. Tim Pawlenty's signing of the bill one year ago — on April 28, 2003. It took effect a month later.

Across the street from the pro-gun group, a smaller gaggle of opponents of the law held their own more somber event, saying the new law is a mistake.

Kate Krisik of the Minnesota Catholic Conference said the law "fuels our existing cult of violence with encouraging individuals to respond to violence, or threats of violence, with violence.''

The bill eliminated the requirement that people demonstrate an occupational need or a public safety threat in order to legally carry a loaded weapon in public places. Under the new law, those who clear background checks and meet training requirements must be granted a permit.

At the end of 2003, after about a half-year under the new law, there were 15,677 permits in effect, according to the Department of Public Safety. While that is a substantial increase from the 12,780 permits active at the end of 2002, it is far less than opponents of the new law predicted.

Haagensen said he lives in Minnetonka and drives to work at odd hours. Speaking of the gun-control gathering, he said, "I don't know how real it is for some of those people over there. … But three to five times a week, I drive through one of the worst neighborhoods in Minneapolis to get to work.''

Signs in the pro-gun crowd were blunt. "It's a Shame Dru Sjodin Didn't Have a Concealed Carry Weapon,'' read a double-sided sign carried by Walt Edin, a truck driver from Upsala. The other side of his sign bore a picture of the World Trade towers and read: "If Pilots Had Been Armed, We Wouldn't Need to Remember the Towers.''

Edin said he applied for and received a permit but has never actually carried the weapon in public. "I got my permit, because it's legal, and I can, and so far, I've never carried,'' he said.

"Not everybody has to carry,'' he said. "But some of them do, and the perpetrators don't know who is and who isn't. It makes everybody safer.''

Cedric Scofield of Newport, who is retired, said he does not have a permit but came because of his support for shooting sports. Scofield, who has long been active in third-party politics in Minnesota, said, "It's a basic issue of liberty for me — liberty and freedom that was there before our country was founded. We should be allowed to protect ourselves.''

Pro-gun supporters shouted "That's right!'' and "Give 'em the facts!'' when friendly legislators spoke, including Rep. Lynda Boudreau, R-Faribault, the bill's sponsor. "It is conclusive that the positive value of firearms, and their use, far outweighs the negative misuse,'' Boudreau said. Gun-control activists were more somber. "We are here to observe a solemn anniversary,'' said Rev. James Erlandson of the Lutheran Church of the Redeemer in St. Paul. He added, "This law does not reflect what the state is about.''

Oliver White, minister at Grace Community United Church of Christ in St. Paul, noted the two events took place near a Capitol area street named after Martin Luther King Jr. "This is a drive where we should celebrate peace — not sing 'Happy Birthday' to violence," he said.

White, who is African-American, said the new law is based on fear. "Who are they pointing those guns at?'' he asked. "What is the fear factor? Who are they afraid of? Well, me — people who look like me.''

Daniel Webster of Minneapolis said he has hopes the new law can eventually be repealed. He said while there have been no overt incidents involving new permit-carriers, the new law creates unnecessary risks.

"Someone with a gun, they could be an honest, everyday citizen, but all it takes is one bad incident to turn that tide,'' Webster said. "And that bad incident could be at a park, where other people's kids are at. The law protects someone to have a loaded gun at a park, with other people's kids.''

THE GUN LAW

Wednesday was the first anniversary of Gov. Pawlenty's signing of the gun law. The law:

Eliminates the requirement that people demonstrate an occupational need or a public safety threat in order to legally carry a loaded weapon in public places.

Requires businesses to post large signs if they don't want permit-holders bringing weapons onto the premises.

Has increased the number of permits in effect, but not nearly as much as some predicted. According to the state, there were 15,677 permits in effect at the end of 2003, compared to 12,780 at the end of 2002.


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Jim Ragsdale covers state government and politics and can be contacted at [email protected] or 651-228-5529.

Wow, Rev. White. Way to play the race card.

Maybe I should explain again. Guns are not fear. Guns are not violence. Guns are tools.

And I wonder what Kate Krisic's personal plan is for response to violence? Praying? :rolleyes:
 
David Haagensen drives to work with his gun on the seat next to him, and he says it came in handy one night a few weeks ago.

Haagensen, attending one of two competing events Wednesday that commemorated the passage of the state's new gun law, said he foiled an attempted carjacking as he was on his way to work the late shift at Abbott Northwestern Hospital in Minneapolis.

"I pointed it at his head, because he was trying to open my locked door, and he was pointing a gun at me,'' he said. "He ran away. I drove to work and called the cops.''

Mr. Haagensen is also a High Road member.

Good cake, great rally. Gotta love the 89 degree rally weather. I may even have the start of a tan. :D
 
Sounds like this was a great event. I am sorry I had to miss it.

I noticed the antis followed the play book verbatim and use the "chillren" to argue against the law. "We could have armed people at a park where our children are playing" or something to that effect. Jeez, can't these people come up with any new arguments. No logic, just pure emotions. I would shoot myself (pun intended) if I lost my ability to use logic and was forced to wear my emotions on my sleeve 24/7. These people need to get professional help.

They also used the old line about how it would only be scared white folks who would carry, because they were scared of the black folks. The guy who said that ought to be snapped with a towel on the rear end, and hard.
 
WOW it sounds like you guys had a wonderful time. I wish I could have made it across the border, but work has been really keeping me tied down. Happy Birthday MPPA!!
 
I went up from Mankato, got there a little early, which gave me some time to wander around the Capital. It seemed alot smaller compared to the last time I was there in 1968. ;)

I may get heat for this, but yes we had a good turn out and I think it could have been a lot better in numbers. I guess some of us are never happy, but if the people behind the passing of the MPPA would have settled for less, we may not be where we are today with this law in Minnesota.

Otherwise, it was worth the trip.
 
Oh, absolutely, I would have liked to have more people there. But given that this is a workday, and in the middle of the week, I think we got a great turnout . . . particularly considering that our folks are working people, not members of the idle rich, and that many of them had to come long distances, rather than scoop up a few idle rich from the Metro area, like the antis did.

That said, I think we're going to need a rally for Range Protection over the next year, and I'm tempted to make it a Monday or Friday.

Simple truth is: if you want to win, you have to show up. We showed up in three to four times the numbers that the opposition did, and next time, I want to see us at least three to four times the numbers that we were this time, but it'll take a lot of work.
 
It was a fairly good turnout but I had expected more. I left shortly after and didn't get any cake:(

But that was my fault. I dressed a little too warm and didn't expect 90 degree weather.

Channel 4 did a 15 second blurb, and the number 5 did much better.
I saw nothing on 9 or 11.

The anti's were there and I guess I don't understand them anymore then they understand me.
Oh well...

I waiting to hear how to deal with sheriff Franks. I live in Washington county and would like to play my part.

Oh yeah...












THE SKY DIDN'T FALL!!! :D :D
 
Here's MPR's observation:


http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2004/04/28_scheckt_concealedcarry/

Gun law reaches one-year mark
by Tom Scheck, Minnesota Public Radio
April 28, 2004


Supporters of the concealed carry law marked the one-year anniversary of the legislation, saying that concerns opponents raised about increased gun violence have not happened. (MPR Photo/Tom Scheck)

Gun rights supporters celebrated the one year anniversary of the passage of the "concealed carry" law at the Capitol Wednesday. The law requires local sheriffs to issue handgun permits to any law abiding adult. But requests for permits have fallen far short of the 50,000 projected by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. The BCA says 15,677 permits were issued from late May until December 2003. Opponents say the law is still dangerous, no matter how many permits have been issued.


St. Paul, Minn. — About 200 supporters of the handgun permit law celebrated the first anniversary of the passage of the bill with birthday cake, hugs and the Happy Birthday song.

The law requires local sheriffs to issue a permit to any law abiding citizen who is 21 or older. Sheriffs can forbid permits to convicted felons, people with mental health problems or those who are considered a danger to themselves or others. Supporters say the law is a great improvement over the patchwork of issuing standards it replaced.

Rep. Lynda Boudreau, R-Faribault, was the chief House author of the bill. She says critics' predictions of violent crime by permit holders haven't come to pass. She says there have been very few problems with the law.



Birthday cake

"It is conclusive that the positive value of firearms and their use far outweighs the negative misuse," Boudreau says. "The right to self defense is non-refutable, and should not be denied to honest upright citizens."

Many in the crowd held up American flags and wore National Rifle Association hats and patches. Minneapolis resident Robert Johnson says he completed handgun training as required by the law, and intends to submit his application next week. Johnson says he needs to carry a handgun because he believes he lives in a dangerous section of Minneapolis.

"I feel safer because of this law. And just like that bumper sticker says, criminals don't want to be around anybody who has got a gun, legally," says Johnson. "They want to have the monopoly on the guns for themselves. They don't want ordinary, law-abiding citizens to have one. It scares them."

Some permit holders say they rarely carry their weapons, but felt they had the right to carry under the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. About 75 handgun control advocates held a rally on the Capitol lawn protesting the one year anniversary of the law. Rebecca Thoman with the handgun control organization Citizens for a Safer Minnesota says she has problems with the law. She says it's difficult to track whether any permit holders have committed crimes, because the applicants are anonymous. Thoman also says she's concerned that an increase in gun purchases could mean a greater chance for injuries.



Anti-gun protest

"We're not worried about criminals shooting us, as we are about the availability of guns out there -- which leads to suicides, people shooting themselves, members of their familiy. In Minnesota, most gun homicide is between people who know each other," says Thoman.

Thoman says she intends to encourage handgun control advocates to get involved in the campaigns of legislative candidates who would change the law. Others are looking to the courts to repeal the law altogether. Minneapolis attorney David Lillehaug has filed several lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of the law. His recent motion challenges the intent of the Legislature. He says the Minnesota House improperly attached the bill onto another bill, which violates the Minnesota Constitution.

"Today's the one year anniversary of the law. We think that's been one year too long for the law to be in effect," Lillehaug says. "On June 3 we will ask the Ramsey District Court to have the law thrown out."

Several local sheriffs say the law has meant more paperwork and background checks for their staff. Washington County Sheriff Jim Frank says he's issued 812 handgun permits in the past year, and has denied six applicants. He says he has mixed feelings on the effects of the law.

"People said all sorts of bad things were going to happen, and it doesn't look like that's happened," Frank says. "But on the other hand, people said we need to be armed so we can protect ourselves from all of this crime and violence that happens. And to my knowledge at least, no one carrying a handgun has been forced into protecting themselves."

Frank says he would prefer to have some more discretion on deciding who should receive a permit, as he did under the old law. He says he signs every permit along with a Latin phrase which means "under protest."
 
That's me holding the sign in the picture in the MPR article. :D

Apprently I was also on the number 5, but I didn't see it. So far I haven't seen the video on their web site either. If anyone finds a copy, let me know.

--Chris
 
St. Paul, Minn. — About 200 supporters of the handgun permit law celebrated the first anniversary of the passage of the bill with birthday cake, hugs and the Happy Birthday song.

I got some of the cake, sang happy birthday with Joel, but I missed out on the hugs, where was all the hugging going on? :uhoh:
 
I have videotapes of the 6 p.m. and 10 p.m. news from channels 4,5, and 11. At 6 p.m., Channel 4 did 20 confusing seconds. Tom Hauser of channel 5 did quite well.

I haven't looked through the 10 p.m. news yet.

Eventually, I will digitize all of the coverage and make it available.
 
Eventually, I will digitize all of the coverage and make it available.

Excellent, thanks! If you need somewhere to host it, I'm sure I can spare some bandwidth.
 
repsychler, I'll take you up on that offer.

But not for a couple of days. Two days after MCPPA's birthday is my daughter's. Those Sesame Street-themed parties don't throw themselves!
 
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