Moral Problem

[BigG]

I didn't agree much with the advice dished out by the columnist Ann Landers, but one thing she said a lot when given a scenario of similar nature where the observer had nothing to do with the observed, Ann would simply say "Why don't you MYOB?" I always got a big chuckle on those occasions.

 

[Bubbles]

I wouldn't tell the campus PD or anyone else about the gun in his truck. I would warn him that if he leaves his gun case in plain view then he might have a problem if some anti-gunner on campus sees it.

 

[glockman19]

I'm with Biker on this one...

Mind your own bidness, keep yourself to yourself and let other people sort their own stuff out.

MYOB.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

old man once said if you mind your own buisness you'll be busy the resy of your life

 

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

The right thing is not always the legal or popular one.

 

[Koos Custodiet]

No keep it up, my mistakes are mine to own. Lessons learned hard are the ones that take.

I *like* you

There are no victimless crimes. And making laws to create victimless crimes is a crime, because *I* am the victim.

 

[James T Thomas]

Judge Dredd

Congratulations to you.

Sincerely. Good courage to admit here in public that you have those feelings and are willing to air them, even for criticism.

The "Green Eye" syndrome afflitcts us all from time to time.

The post by K3 is correct on the human dynamics of it.

If you decide you can't live with it; live and let live, you may condemn yourself to the never ending and peaceless life; of living out your life
vicariously for another person. That outlook brings exhaustion.

The "hyper cop" obcession, if you will.

 

[Mr White]

So let me get this straight,

You signature reads

If college is such a place of freedom and liberty, why do I have to leave my guns behind when I go there?

http://ConcealedCampus.org

And you ware considering turning someone in because they had a gun in their truck on campus?

Did you emigrate here from the Soviet Union?

 

[Thumper]

You mentioned mental conditioning...I'm interested; what part of the country are you in?

 

[dasmi]

Just 'cause it's legal, don't make it right. Just 'cause it's illegal, don't make it wrong.
Mind your own bidness, keep yourself to yourself and let other people sort their own stuff out.

What he said.

 

[yesit'sloaded]

Public school everywhere teaches the "guns are bad, turn someone in if you see one" thing. It was a bad thought, just needed to come here for some good criticism to nip it in the bud.

 

[RLsnow]

out of sight out of mind?....

 

[miko]

I don't want to be a Judas, but I just get so angry when I can't have my stuff because I follow the law and other people just break it.

If he is violating the rules of private property use set by the legitimate owner, you would be right to notify the owner about the violation if your acquaintance does not comply.

On the other hand, if you are talking about a government "law" (really legislation) - shame on you. You might just as well said that runaway black slaves should have petitioned for the equal rights instead...

miko

 

[fletcher]

but I just get so angry when I can't have my stuff because I follow the law and other people just break it. I know he isn't going to do anything with it, but it just burns me up that some people just break the law rather than try to change it.

If it's harmless, why would you turn him in? It's extremely counter-productive, and wrong, to turn a fellow 2A'er in because they made a personal decision to go against the law/policy unless there is a danger.

Personally, I could not justify turning him in as "right" by any means. He's simply breaking an absurd policy that is wrong in itself.

 

[Prince Yamato]

As he's not going to shoot up the place, I'd say ignore it. Also, though it may be in his car in the parking lot, it may not be illegal. In Texas, it would be legal to do so, but not in accordance with school policy. All you may end up doing is get him kicked out of the school and have a weapons violation on his permanent record. Call the kid an idiot, tell him he should be careful, then mind your own business.

 

[bluestarlizzard]

yesit'sloaded,
i don't think you should beat yourself up.
1. you got annoyed at someone breaking the rules. thats normal. even if you don't agree with the rule, your still following it and that guy wasn't. it would make anyone annoyed ("darn it, i want to have MY guns tooo!!)
2. you didn't turn the guy in. you came to a place for advice and got the advice that supported your desicion. thats not a bad thing.
3. your not brainwashed by your school, social structure, whatever. why? because your thinking about your actions. people who are brainwashed just do it, they don't think about it.
i honestly think your reaction to relizing he had his gun on campas was more of a "its not FAIR" reaction, then a "guns are bad" reaction. so what, your human and thats cool. the important thing was not how you felt, but how you acted. you didn't tell. although if you run into the dude again, and you see his gun case, you might want to go "dude, cover that up before you get in trouble!"

 

[GEM]

The OP needs to read some of the serious works on moral development and philosophy. Being angry is not the best way to evaluate a moral decision.

The original post (no offense) does not indicate a great deal of wisdom. Hopefully in college one would gain that. This especially true if one wants to enter the world of those who are armed and contemplate the use of deadly force.

I can assure you that after a great deal of training, these complex issues are well thought out by the trainers and students of the art.

 

[Just Jim]

I was at a friends duplex waiting for dinner to be cooked. Standing at the back (drinking coffee) sliding doors that veiwed the street I see cop cars going by in a furitive manner. No lights flashing but with good speed.

Well I go to the living room, to sit, that veiws the other duplexes and across the way an odd thing happened. The garage door opens about three feet then a guy jumps out of the backseat floor board of the car in front. He plunges under the garage door and the door closes quickly behind him.

The neighbors draw their curtains and then the whole event struck me as odd.

So I just call the business number of the police and ask them if they are after someone in this area. They said yes and he is a dangerous felon from another state. So I told them what I saw and gave them the address to the duplex. The curtains opened back up as the cops arrived and I could see a man run out the back.

The cops arrested the guy for multiple felony warrants from another state and they sent me a nice letter of thanks for my help.

I am a moral man who wants to protect my neighbors and will as long as I can. I see no reason that your friend should be turned in as he isn't a criminal. There are laws and there are regulations, your friend is just a little irregular leave him be. Save your aggression for the real crooks

jj

 

[RKBABob]

I know a guy has a gun in his truck in our dorm parking lot. I found out because he came back from hunting when I was leaving for breakfast and well...talked to him about the deer without even thinking about guns, aw the case in the back of the truck.

Well, you already know the reason he keeps it in his truck... he's storing it for when he goes hunting off campus. Maybe its against the rules, but at least he's keeping it in his own property, and not hauling it into the dorms (he's following the spirit of the rules, just not the letter of the rules). You didn't say that he was intentionally brandishing the rifle, and perhaps he already has covered or hidden the case since you left him.

I just get so angry when I can't have my stuff because I follow the law and other people just break it... ...it just burns me up that some people just break the law rather than try to change it.

Is this law, or school rules? Is there any hope that the school would actually allow hunting rifles on campus if a few students asked nicely? If not, he's doing the best he can to comply by keeping it cased and in his own vehicle.

Let it go... just be happy for him and his day out in the woods.

 

[yesit'sloaded]

97-37-17
(1) The following definitions apply to this section:
(a) "Educational property" shall mean[/B] any public or private school building or bus, public or private school campus, grounds, recreational area, athletic field, or other property owned, used or operated by any local school board, school, college or university board of trustees, or directors for the administration of any public or private educational institution or during a school related activity; provided however, that the term "educational property" shall not include any sixteenth section school land or lieu land on which is not located a school building, school campus, recreational area or athletic field.
(b) "Student" shall mean a person enrolled in a public or private school, college or university, or a person who has been suspended or expelled within the last five (5) years from a public or private school, college or university, whether the person is an adult or a minor.
(c) "Switchblade knife" shall mean a knife containing a blade or blades which open automatically by the release of a spring or a similar contrivance.
(d) "Weapon" shall mean any device enumerated in subsection (2) or (4) of this section.

(2) It shall be a felony for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any gun, rifle, pistol or other firearm of any kind, or any dynamite cartridge, bomb, grenade, mine or powerful explosive on educational property. However, this subsection does not apply to a BB gun, air rifle or air pistol. Any person violating this subsection shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than Five Thousand Dollars ($5,000.00), or committed to the custody of the State Department of Corrections for not more than three (3) years, or both.

(3) It shall be a felony for any person to cause, encourage or aid a minor who is less than eighteen (18) years old to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any gun, rifle, pistol or other firearm of any kind, or any dynamite cartridge, bomb, grenade, mine or powerful explosive on educational property. However, this subsection does not apply to a BB gun, air rifle or air pistol. Any person violating this subsection shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than Five Thousand Dollars ($5,000.00), or committed to the custody of the State Department of Corrections for not more than three (3) years, or both.

(4) It shall be a misdemeanor for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any BB gun, air rifle, air pistol, bowie knife, dirk, dagger, slingshot, leaded cane, switchblade knife, blackjack, metallic knuckles, razors and razor blades (except solely for personal shaving), and any sharp-pointed or edged instrument except instructional supplies, unaltered nail files and clips and tools used solely for preparation of food, instruction and maintenance on educational property. Any person violating this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than One Thousand Dollars ($1,000.00), or be imprisoned not exceeding six (6) months, or both.

(5) It shall be a misdemeanor for any person to cause, encourage or aid a minor who is less than eighteen (18) years old to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any BB gun, air rifle, air pistol, bowie knife, dirk, dagger, slingshot, leaded cane, switchblade, knife, blackjack, metallic knuckles, razors and razor blades (except solely for personal shaving) and any sharp-pointed or edged instrument except instructional supplies, unaltered nail files and clips and tools used solely for preparation of food, instruction and maintenance on educational property. Any person violating this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than One Thousand Dollars ($1,000.00), or be imprisoned not exceeding six (6) months, or both.

(6) It shall not be a violation of this section for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any gun, rifle, pistol or other firearm of any kind on educational property if:
(a) The person is not a student attending school on any educational property;
(b) The firearm is within a motor vehicle; and
(c) The person does not brandish, exhibit or display the firearm in any careless, angry or threatening manner.

(7) This section shall not apply to:
(a) A weapon used solely for educational or school-sanctioned ceremonial purposes, or used in a school-approved program conducted under the supervision of an adult whose supervision has been approved by the school authority;
(b) Armed forces personnel of the United States, officers and soldiers of the militia and National Guard, law enforcement personnel, any private police employed by an educational institution, State Militia or Emergency Management Corps and any guard or patrolman in a state or municipal institution, when acting in the discharge of their official duties;
(c) Home schools as defined in the compulsory school attendance law, Section 37-13-91;
(d) Competitors while participating in organized shooting events;
(e) Any person as authorized in Section 97-37-7 while in the performance of his official duties;
(f) Any mail carrier while in the performance of his official duties; or
(g) Any weapon not prescribed by Section 97-37-1 which is in a motor vehicle under the control of a parent, guardian or custodian, as defined in Section 43-21-105, which is used to bring or pick up a student at a school building, school property or school function.

(8) All schools shall post in public view a copy of the provisions of this section.

It would appear to me to be a felony.

 

[Mr. James]

Just 'cause it's legal, don't make it right. Just 'cause it's illegal, don't make it wrong.

Words to remember . . .

Envy is one of the seven deadlies. Spike that green-eyed ol' beyotch and move on. And keep yer yap shut.

 

[lee n. field]

Is he otherwise sane and stable (as much so as a college student gets)?

If yes, **** and let it go. You risk screwing up the whole rest of his life on something that's malum prohiubitum not malum in se (if I have those terms right) -- something that's wrong because somebody felt like making a rule calling it wrong, instead of intrinsically wrong.

 

[Just Jim]

It would appear to me to be a felony.

Maybe you would like your friends to watch everything you do and report it to the police??? Drive too fast?? Maybe drink a little?? If your pure as the snow then have no fear but just as soon as you think all is great they make a new law that turns you into a felon.

Learn who is really a danger to society, sometimes it's the lawmakers worse than the law breakers.

jj

 

[zxcvbob]

It would appear to me to be a felony.

Since you looked this up, even after all the advice you've received already, you must still be considering it??? Amazing...

MYOFB

 

[jlbraun]

Man, makes me glad that I didn't tell a soul what was in my closet all through college. Even those you think are your friends will start thinking about informing on you at the drop of a hat.

MYOB and forget it ever happened.