more guns or ammo??

[Elmer]

Can you be more specific?

What loads are on backorder for a year?

Can you tell us even just one specific load that is on backorder for a year?

I'm having a hard time believing that there are multiple loads on a 1+ year backorder.

BTW: Here is the .223/5.56 bulk ammo pile at my LGS:

I have no doubt you have trouble conceptualizing things beyond your intimidate vision.

Like I said, distributors have stocked up. Things are different than they've been before.

 

[Warp]

I have no doubt you have trouble conceptualizing things beyond your intimidate vision.

Like I said, distributors have stocked up. Things are different than they've been before.

So...there aren't any loads on 1 year backorder?

 

[Elmer]

So...there aren't any loads on 1 year backorder?

As I said, for distributors there are.

 

[Warp]

As I said, for distributors there are.

What loads are they?

 

[Elmer]

What loads are they?

5.56 and .223.

Why don't you ask a distributor if you're interested.

I know you think you have a good handle on the state of orders because of what you see in your local gun store, but you might be surprised to find out there's a big world outside of that....

 

[Warp]

5.56 and .223.

Why don't you ask a distributor if you're interested.

I know you think you have a good handle on the state of orders because of what you see in your local gun store, but you might be surprised to find out there's a big world outside of that....

If you can't back a claim, maybe you shouldn't make it.

 

[Elmer]

If you can't back a claim, maybe you shouldn't make it.

I claimed that I've talked to people in the industry about it, and I have.

I know that's not as good as pitchers from your gun store.

Like I said, there's a big world out there beyond.

 

[Inebriated]

Getting awfully catty in here.

 

[Elmer]

Getting awfully catty in here.

I agree.

I merely said what I've been told.

Apparently that's threatening to some.

 

[Warp]

I agree.

I merely said what I've been told.

Apparently that's threatening to some.

So, just to be clear...nobody told you what loads were supposedly on backorder for a year?

You were simply told that multiple "5.56 / .223" loads were?

 

[45lcshooter]

Ill be ready to wake up tomorrow and see what the fate holds. That means today, i will be in the reloading dungeon alll day, just me and reloading components.

 

[Elmer]

So, just to be clear...nobody told you what loads were supposedly on backorder for a year?

You were simply told that multiple "5.56 / .223" loads were?

Yes, that's correct.

Perhaps in the coming days, the message I was passing on will have more meaning for you.

Or perhaps not.

I won't bother to pass on my conversation from today. I find insight from those in the wholesale industry can be very illuminating, as their time frames can be much longer than the local guys.

 

[Warp]

Yes, that's correct.

Perhaps in the coming days, the message I was passing on will have more meaning for you.

I doubt that something being unavailable, for a good price, for a few days will lead me to believe that multiple loads are on 1+ year backorder.

 

[W.E.G.]

I bet that's all gone now.

 

[Warp]

I bet that's all gone now.

What would you like to bet?

 

[David E]

You sure like to bet.....

As a matter of interest to everyone else, my LGS was out of .223 last week, got more on Tuesday and is now down to 20 boxes on Friday.

Your LGS, of course, may be different. (I normally wouldn't add such an obvious addendum, but some people apparently expect it...)

 

[Warp]

You sure like to bet.....

Far too many sheep, and chicken littles, posting on the gun boards the last few days.

I'm trying to bring some good sense, rationality, and logic to the floor...but nobody will have it.

It's 2008 all over again. Well, not quite. This time there actually was an assault weapons banning candidate, and he lost.

 

[David E]

I'm trying to bring some good sense, rationality, and logic to the floor...but nobody will have it.

Where, on another forum?

It's 2008 all over again. Well, not quite. This time there actually was an assault weapons banning candidate, and he lost.

Research Obama's vote history in Illinois.

 

[Warp]

Research Obama's vote history in Illinois.

There's no assault weapons ban.

The guy who lost is the one who supported an assault weapons ban, as well as a 5 day waiting period.

I'm surprised you didn't look into this stuff before the election.

 

[Nico Testosteros]

The loser actually signed an AWB into law.

 

[Warp]

The loser actually signed an AWB into law.

Bingo.

Which is a (small) part of why I didn't vote for him, either. He is no more a friend of the 2A than Obama.

 

[David E]

Romney was a far better choice, imperfect tho he was, than what we got.

Regardless, we are stuck with the current Prez for four more years.

Guns or ammo? It depends what you currently have. Both are going up in price, some guns will become extremely difficult to find.

 

[Elmer]

I doubt that something being unavailable, for a good price, for a few days will lead me to believe that multiple loads are on 1+ year backorder.

Who asked you to believe anything?

Far too many sheep, and chicken littles, posting on the gun boards the last few days.

I'm trying to bring some good sense, rationality, and logic to the floor...but nobody will have it.

No, what you bring is rudeness and incivility to a normally very civil board. I could give a rip whether or not you believe that I had the conversations that I had. Calling names and being a jerk just reflects on you.

For those sans the giant chip on their shoulder, my wholesaler friend just attended the NASGW show, the distributors only show. The manufacturers were reporting record orders, and quoting long, long delivery times. Some prices were up, with promises of more increases soon. His also said his sales more than doubled in the last few days.

So, we could indeed just see a temporary price and availability scare, that will soon pass. Or we could be in for another round of shortages and scalpers prices. Or we could see legislation pass, or executive orders, that would restrict what or how much of what you can buy.

I guess we'll see. I bought plenty when prices were half what they are currently, so I'm not personally worried about it.

 

[Elmer]

Romney was a far better choice, imperfect tho he was, than what we got.

Regardless, we are stuck with the current Prez for four more years.

While I was not excited about Romney, I find it puzzling that some discount what the president said during the debates.

And so what I’m trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced. But part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence. Because frankly, in my home town of Chicago, there’s an awful lot of violence and they’re not using AK-47s. They’re using cheap hand guns.

I take him at his word, and at his previous words. Before the last ban, the gun community was full of those claiming it would never happen, that those of us who were worried about it were "chicken littles". History has a way of repeating itself for those that ignore it.

 

[1 old 0311-1]

I started saving/hoarding 4 years ago when the writing appeared on the wall. I am not worried about zombies, or blue helmets, I just made sure I have enough to last a few years.

1) Chicago just put in a .05 cent PER ROUND tax on ammo.
2) The country NEEDS money.
3) Lets see. Who else is from Chicago where they could get the 'hint.'