Mosin Hex/Round Receiver Questions

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In what year did the Mosin reciever design change from the hex shaped receiver to the rounded receiver? Was this change adopted and produced by both main arsenals in the same year, or did they differ? What are the advantages/disadvantages of both? Does anyone have a rough estimate of how many of each were produced over the years?
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I think Tula started making round receivers around 1928 or so.

Advantage of hex receivers- they are all pre-wwII and exhibit much higher craftsmanship than WWII era rifles. Supposedly the round receivers are stronger however.
 
The round receiver was much easier to make and with the Russian Army facing the onslaught of the Germans, the Russian Army needed many thousands of rifles. The hex receivers were supposed to be better in terms of quality and strength but they did take some time to make.

I have an Izvehsk 91/30 dated 1931 with a hex receiver.
 
The mid-30's as threej's states was the cutoff point. You can find many Finn Mosins dated into the 40's and even the 1960's and early 70's with hex receivers, but of course all Finn receivers were reworked old ones.

I know of no evidence that the round receivers were actually weaker than the hex. The high wall wartime soviet production were certainly *cruder*, but the legends of mass rifle shortages popularized by "Enemy at the Gates" were for the most part complete hogwash. The Soviets had plenty of rifles by 1941, and did not run out of them. Nor is there any evidence I know of that they had to resort to inferior qualilty steel or make dangerous cast iron weapons such as the last ditch Japanese or volk German weapons.

What they lacked in the early years were sufficient numbers of semiauto and full auto weapons from subguns to machine guns, along with anti-tank weapons, aircraft etc. These shortages were remedied by 1944 and '45, and by that time entire units were equipped with excellent subguns and semiauto rifles. By '45 they had a military force that was rivaling ours in mechanization and use of modern small arms. It's a good thing we decided not to fight each other then. Patton's brass ones aside, it would have been a really nasty fight.
 
While the finns did use hex receivers, you wont find any dated after the mid thirties (unless it is double stamped, like my Tula M44 with a hex receiver). Most of the finn hex receivers where from M91s.
 
There are two dates on Finns--the receiver date and the barrel date. The receiver date can be the 1890's on a 1971 Finn.
 
There are two dates on Finns--the receiver date and the barrel date. The receiver date can be the 1890's on a 1971 Finn.

Never said anything about barrels. Just stated you wont find a receiver on a finn that is dated later than 1936.

Of my 50+ mosins I dont think I have one without a barrel date, but I have seen some scrubbed ones without it.;)
 
I stand corrected.

Really I should know better considering one of my 91/30s is a finn capture from 1940.
 
Threejs:

50+ Mosins?! I knew I "hated" you. I only have 5. :eek: But I'm working at it. This is an interesting thread. I have been seeking a Remington receivered Mosin, found one and by the time I drove to pick it up (about 1 hour) the thing had sold. :banghead:

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Basically, the change happened when each particular arsenal actually ran out of the hex receivers. You'd want to use up available stocks of receivers first, so that hexes appeared with dates up to 1936. They probably weren't PRODUCED in 1936, but were simply un-assembled blanks until they were assembled, and then dated. The actual design change probably occurred at the same time as production of the 91/30 began, it just took a while for the shelves to clear, so to speak.
 
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