Mosin, Mosin, Mosin, Blah, Blah, Blah

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shaggy430

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What is the obsession? Every one of them I've ever seen looked like a complete piece of junk. The bolt throw is odd and about as slick as chunky peanut butter. The sights are huge and the rifles weigh a ton. I just don't get it.

Not trying to be rude, I just don't understand.
 
To think that a peasant society cuts its teeth as it were on manufacturing starting with rifles such as these. There are many technological innovations in these rifles, such as the magazine which feeds rimmed cartridges without having to stack them "just so."

They are surprisingly accurate, relatively mild recoil, durable, inexpensive... what's not to like?

As the bikers used to say in the 60's, "if I had to explain it, you wouldn't understand" when referring to their clunky, heavy, complete pieces of junk ;)
 
This may help
came from http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm

Stuff you know if you have an AK
Stuff you know if you have an AR
Stuff you know if you have a Mosin Nagant

It works though you have never cleaned it. Ever.
You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic Teflon infused oil for cleaning.
It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.

You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside.
You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters.
You can hit the farm from two counties over.

Cheap mags are fun to buy.
Cheap mags melt.
What's a mag?

Your safety can be heard from 300 meters away.
You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the trigger.
What's a safety?

Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling.
Your rifle has a 9 point stealth tactical suspension system.
You rifle has dog collars.

Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter.
Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife.
Your bayonet is longer than your leg.

You can put a .30" hole through 12" of oak, if you can hit it.
You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 30 rounds.
You can knock down everyone else's target with the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.

When out of ammo your rifle will nominally pass as a club.
When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great wiffle bat.
When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.

Recoil is manageable, even fun.
What's recoil?
Recoil is often used to relocated shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.

Your sight adjustment goes to "10", and you've never bothered moving it.
Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of angle.
Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you've actually tried it.

Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.
Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations' most illiterate conscripts.
Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.

Your rifle won some revolutions.
Your rifle won the Cold War.
Your rifle won a pole vault event.

You paid $350.
You paid $900.
You paid $59.95.

You buy cheap ammo by the case.
You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one.
You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.

You can intimidate your foe with the bayonet mounted.
You foes laugh when you mount your bayonet.
You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the river without leaving the comfort of your hole.

Service life, 50 years.
Service life, 40 years.
Service life, 100 years, and counting.

It's easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change cartridge sizes.
You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of pins and a new upper.
You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54r.

You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick.
You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith, it's under warranty!
If your rifle breaks, you buy a new one.

You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards to burst into flames.
You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group.
You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.

After a long day the range you relax by watching "Red Dawn".
After a long day at the range you relax by watching "Blackhawk Down".
After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor.

After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for a stiff shot of Vodka.
After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for hotdogs and apple pie.
After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for shishkabob.

You can accessorize you rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice stock set.
Your rifle's accessories are eight times more valuable than your rifle.
Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but it's buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.

Your rifle's finish is varnish and paint.
Your rifle's finish is Teflon and high tech polymers.
Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails.

Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Mikhail Kalashnikov.
Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Eugene Stoner.
You're not sure there WERE cameras to photograph Sergei Mosin.

Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your rifle over your head and shout "Wolverines!"
Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room.
Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the the yard to sleep in.

There you have it. In the end, it is clear to any open minded inquirer that the Mosin Nagant is the most superior weapon of all time, but the AR and the AK come out as a draw when compared side by side.
 
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The rifles are cheap and very sturdy and until very recently, they fired probably the best round in terms of power/cost ratio that can be had anywhere. The price has gone up for 7.62x54R but is still reasonable. Also, that ammo comes in very handy sealed shut cans that you literally have to open with a chisel or a super-duper can opener (or sometimes the little sardine can type of key). The ammo comes in a very storable form.

...and last but not least, the wood...even if all dinged up is Russian birch usually...a very nice wood for stock.
 
Potential

1. It's not difficult to find an inexpensive 91/30 with fairly good rifling that can be cleaned up and accurized with nothing more than elbow grease and a cork from a wine bottle.

2. The ammunition can still be had for much less than 30-06. (440 rounds of 7.62x54r for about 60 bucks)

3. The round packs one heck of a whallop = or near that of a .308

4. Its a neat piece of history with markings and stamps that allow you to track just where it came from, and where its been.

5. They are extremely addictive. After purchasing a 91/30, I had to have the carbine version M44. Then my son wanted one, so our collection expanded.

6. Numerous avenues to modifications, various sight alternatives, trigger modifications all on a weapon that didn't cost you all that much to begin with.

7. Despite their low cost, they hold their value if not increase, so you're never gonna get stuck. You pay a hundred bucks, and can probably sell it for a hundred bucks after sending 500 rounds down range.

I could go on, but these are all items any Moisin owner will tell you. Bottom line, "I dare you to pick one up shoot it and not Purchase it"


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Franco, I gotta say it...How many times are you gonna post that same old pic before you take a new one?

BTW, the 7.62X54 isn't nearly as powerful as .308, it beats it. It's nearly as powerful as 30/06.
 
I'm not a fan of the Mosin but I am very glad that so many are. I understand that collector/shooters often feel the same way about the MN as I do about a pristine Mauser Gew98 or Kar98. We are cut from the same cloth. Shoot what you like and have a blast!
 
"BTW, the 7.62X54 isn't nearly as powerful as .308, it beats it. It's nearly as powerful as 30/06."

Actually, using the "Heavy Ball" ammo, it's in some ways more powerful than the 30-06. Ballistically, the heavier bullets out of the 7.62X54R actually retain more energy at 1000 yards than the same weight bullet out of a 30-06. The .308 doesn't even come close.

Besides, It's considerable fun to show up the modern rifle guys at the range with an "ugly" old Russian tent-pole that was made in the same year I was born! (1942)
 
Mosins are: cheap, historically significant, and very accurate, what's not to love? Granted you can pick up a wicked expensive, brand spanking new, light as air rifle but it feels like a toy. The mosin was used by real men half a century ago to fight and die for their country.
 
Until recently, cheap economy hunting rifles were very limited in offerings. But Marlin, Stevens, Mossberg have all put some pretty decent rifles out there for a new hunter on a budget. Not to mention Savage, pre accutrigger rifles, coming down in price offered used. Mosins are sloppy junky looking milsurps. But I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
 
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