Yes, I know the two have been contrasted & compared in this forum ad infinitum, BUT I am throwing something out that , I beleve, is a little different. WHY is the Mosin considered, from what I have seen, to be the toughest or whatever of the two? I know about surviving Siberian winters, dealing with peasant conscripts, etc., but how about specifics?
1. Trigger group/mechanism: I have no ideas either way, but without these parts you have--a club!
2. Barrel: Any barrel blows up from enough internal stress, and I guess either make would slap someone in the head without bending--any thoughts?
3. Stock-whatever..both fairly tough wood?
4. The receiver: Ok, gets a little more interesting, I think. Those Mosin hex receivers look like you could cram them with C-4...realistically, we could blow those up from the inside with enough, I guess, but anybody debate that at least some of the Mosins are redundantly durable? Of course, that inquiry might get a little complicated a couple of items down...
5. Magazine assembly: Internal mags, need them to have a repeater versus a single-shot. I understand that some Mosins have an interruptor addressing the use of rimmed cartridges, so they don't improperly overlap each other--is this another piece that can go wrong?
6. The bolt assembly: The Mosins just don't look as tough to me, and understand extractors tend to break--don't recall exactly where I heard/read this, but I did. It would appear that, properly executed, the Mauser control feed extractor would never be stressed forcing over a casing. The bolts do have individual compnents, so who wins overall here?
7. The interaction between the bolt & receiver: This is where, to me, it gets fun. The 98 has a gas bleedoff system, the Mosin I don't think so AND the Mosin receiver may be practically impossible to blow, SO if something goes wrong, something gotta give, the bolt lets go? I know the 98 has the big 3 lugs, the Mosins I've looked at, two little wings? Point being, do we need to factor in what works best and most safely against what may have a tougher component or so? Would it matter to have the last standing barrel & receiver set in the field if the bolt gave up before the other, potentially less sturdy (in absolute terms) weapon?
I have little Mosin experience, some with a Mauser, and my ignorance may show and may even annoy. I have been intrigued by the Mosin and if I get one would spring for a Finn, and, practically speaking, which one becomes a hand grenade first might be moot, BUT we keep reading about how indestructable the Mosin is, I wanted to see some breakdown as to how we define this nigh indestructability. Hoep someone has a little fun with this.
1. Trigger group/mechanism: I have no ideas either way, but without these parts you have--a club!
2. Barrel: Any barrel blows up from enough internal stress, and I guess either make would slap someone in the head without bending--any thoughts?
3. Stock-whatever..both fairly tough wood?
4. The receiver: Ok, gets a little more interesting, I think. Those Mosin hex receivers look like you could cram them with C-4...realistically, we could blow those up from the inside with enough, I guess, but anybody debate that at least some of the Mosins are redundantly durable? Of course, that inquiry might get a little complicated a couple of items down...
5. Magazine assembly: Internal mags, need them to have a repeater versus a single-shot. I understand that some Mosins have an interruptor addressing the use of rimmed cartridges, so they don't improperly overlap each other--is this another piece that can go wrong?
6. The bolt assembly: The Mosins just don't look as tough to me, and understand extractors tend to break--don't recall exactly where I heard/read this, but I did. It would appear that, properly executed, the Mauser control feed extractor would never be stressed forcing over a casing. The bolts do have individual compnents, so who wins overall here?
7. The interaction between the bolt & receiver: This is where, to me, it gets fun. The 98 has a gas bleedoff system, the Mosin I don't think so AND the Mosin receiver may be practically impossible to blow, SO if something goes wrong, something gotta give, the bolt lets go? I know the 98 has the big 3 lugs, the Mosins I've looked at, two little wings? Point being, do we need to factor in what works best and most safely against what may have a tougher component or so? Would it matter to have the last standing barrel & receiver set in the field if the bolt gave up before the other, potentially less sturdy (in absolute terms) weapon?
I have little Mosin experience, some with a Mauser, and my ignorance may show and may even annoy. I have been intrigued by the Mosin and if I get one would spring for a Finn, and, practically speaking, which one becomes a hand grenade first might be moot, BUT we keep reading about how indestructable the Mosin is, I wanted to see some breakdown as to how we define this nigh indestructability. Hoep someone has a little fun with this.