Most authentic SAA clone?

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What is the most true to the original Colt 1873 SAA clone CURRENTLY being made? Please don't recommend an original. I can't afford one.

I am not a cowboy action shooter, I just want one for historical reasons and as a fun shooter companion. I plan to get a holster and cartridge belt, and want to get a faithful (not Hollywood) model if possible. I am not a cowboy aciton shooter, but might get some work done on the gun to slick it up. I don't care it it makes a good CAS gun or if it breaks sometimes, just want authenticity and quality.

Any suggestions? I want the most original, faithful SAA clone out there, in .45 Colt and would prefer to stay under $650.

Thanks everyone! :)
 
isnt colt still making the SAA?.. uberti clones are pretty close too, but some of the unoriginal SAA clones made some good improvements, like transfer bar safeties so you can safely carry six
 
Get a ruger, they are better... No that that's been said a used Usfa is most likely out of your price range . But I've heard roll marks aside uberties are pretty close and your the ones I've seen are very nice
 
This a Cimmeron (Uberti) Custer 7th. Calvery Colt repro.
It was a 7 1/2" .45 Colt.

Now, it is a 5 1/2" 32-20 WCF.

I fitted a 1st. Gen Colt SAA barrel and cylinder to the Uberti frame.

Threads were the same, base pin bushing was the same, etc.

All I had to do was face .0015" off the barrel shoulder to get the front sight to align properly when the barrel was torqued down.

I'd say that's pretty close to an authentic replica of the Colt SAA.

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As a side note.
The action & lock-work took a lot of stoning to smooth up the internal roughness.

But it's smoother then a modern out of the box Colt Custom Shop SAA now.

rc
 
I like that RC, be a good companion to my 92 SRC. I'll never be able to afford a SAA Colt in 32-20 and don't really fancy the DA models.
Did you have the barrel and cylinder or buy it from Numrich or others?
 
I bought a shoe box full of Colt SAA parts at an estate sale for $25 bucks!!

Lots of broken hammers & triggers, too short base pin bushings, completely black corroded barrels with Mercury dimes for front sights, etc.

I sold all the junk out of it on eBay for about $500, and kept a couple of good hammers, triggers, screws, and new unfitted base pin bushings.

Then, I sold the Uberti .45 Colt barrel & cylinder on eBay for another $300!!!

The 32-20 barrel and cylinder was about the best of those, so I decided to use them on this gun.

It was one of those 'once in a lifetime' estate sale finds!!

rc
 
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Nice find for sure, got a couple of the Uberti SA's 45 and 357, in comparing to a Gen 1 Colt I'd say they are an honest representation.
They shoot well and can be found for a very pleasant price if you take your time, just wish they made them in all the old calibers.
 
Thanks guys!

I'm getting several Uberti recommendations. Do all the Ubertis come with hammer block safeties? I hope not. I also know about the longer base pin Uberti uses, and I plan to cut mine down to restore the original look and function of the gun.

Again, I'm going for max historical accuracy. I'm not a cowboy action person, which I'm sure is what 99% of people buying these are using them for, but I'm very interested in 19th century firearms history (the real history, not the Hollywood bastardization) and I'm long over due for a SAA. :)
 
Mine came with the two-notch 'Safety' base pin.
On a black powder frame using a screw to hold the base pin in place!!!

I put the base pin out of my 3rd. Gen Colt in it after it replaced that with a Belt Mountain base pin in the Colt.

rc
 
Howdy

First of all, you are not going to find a replica that is absolutely dead nuts identical to an original Colt from 1873. There have been numerous minor changes in the SAA design over the years, and nobody is making guns absolutely identical to the original 1873 Colt. Subtle changes, like the shape of the ratchet teeth at the rear of the cylinder and the shape of the hand.

But you can come close. First of all, the barrels of the original 1873 Colts that were accepted by the Army were all 7 1/2" long. Shorter lengths came later. And of course, all the early Colts were chambered only for 45 Colt, nothing else.

Two things you should be aware of is that the spring loaded side latch that keeps the cylinder pin in place did not appear until around 1896. Prior to that time, the cylinder pin was held in place by a screw that angled up about 45 degrees in the front of the frame. This is commonly known as the Black Powder frame, although current replicas that have this arrangement are perfectly safe to shoot with Smokeless powder. If you study the photo posted by rcmodel you will see this style of cylinder pin retention screw. The other thing is the early ejector rod handles were of the bullseye style, not the later crescent style.

This link will take you to an Uberti model that pretty much fulfills these specifications. Scroll down to the bottom of the page and you will see what I am talking about with the bullseye ejector rod handle and the Black Powder frame.

http://www.uberti.com/1873-single-action-cattleman-revolvers

Another feature of the original Colts was the Black Powder bevel on the front edge of the cylinder. That link also shows cylinders with the Black Powder bevel. Rather than a simple bevel of even dimension around the front of the cylinder, the Black Powder bevel varied in depth from flute to flute.

The Uberti cylinder on the right in this photo has a Black Powder bevel. Compare it to the simple bevel on the front of the 2nd Gen Colt cylinder on the left.

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Generally speaking, my understanding is that if a gun is imported with the two position cylinder pin, it will not have a safety device in the hammer. But I dunno if a single position cylinder pin is compatible with the Black Powder frame angled screw. You may be stuck with a D Cam safety in the hammer if you go for that model, I do not know the answer to that.

If you decide to go for that model in my link, be aware that the bright blue Charcoal Blue of that model is not very robust. It wears off easily, much more easily than a standard dark blue. I had an Uberti with that finish, and within one year of shooting the gun in CAS my sweaty palm removed all the blue off the backstrap and turned the metal a dull, battleship gray.

And of course, all 1st Gen Colts had a simple V groove rear sight, like the one on the right in this photo. Second Gens have a square groove like the one on the left. If you want 1873 authenticity, then the V groove is what you want. Which by the way is more difficult to see, that's why the Second Gens went to the square groove.


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So you may have to compromise somewhere on some of the features if you want a revolver as authentic as possible to the original 1873 design. You may not be able to find all the features I have mentioned in one gun.
 
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But I dunno if a single position cylinder pin is compatible with the Black Powder frame angled screw.
As I said, my Cimmeron / Uberti black power frame came with the angle screw holding the base pin in.
And with an unusable 2 position 'Safety' base pin..

I replaced it with the base pin out of my SAA Colt.

That's my story, and I'm sticking too it.

The whole thing was nothing more then a phony safety 'feature' to get around the import restrictions.

rc
 
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I'm not a cowboy action person, which I'm sure is what 99% of people buying these are using them for............

Actually, I doubt that. I see far more Rugers than SAA replicas at the matches. I think most folks buying SAA replicas are guys just like you, who want a nice single action that looks like a Colt. Mostly for range use and plinking, not for competition.
 
Has anyone tried improving or putting a slightly wider front sight on the Uberti guns? It worth it? The round thin nature of the standard sight doesn't play well with my eyes.
 
Three or four years ago I bought a new 5 1/2" Cimarron Model P blackpowder frame in .44 Special. It sounds like what you are looking for. It had the Bullseye ejector, the base pin retained by the screw DJ mentioned, no hammer safety, and the hideous, tiny V groove rear sight and the tapered or "pinched" front sight. I didn't have an original Colt with which to make a comparison, but I think surely it was pretty darn close. FWIW, after having the rear sight groove opened to a square notch and replacing the front with a full thickness blade, it is one mighty accurate revolver easily rivaling my Flat Top Blackhawk in the same caliber.

I also own a Uberti 4 3/4" .44 Special and until a few months ago owned a 3rd Generation Colt in 4 3/4" .44 Special. Although I never actually fired the Colt, it was in every way a twin of the Uberti.

I very recently picked up a Uberti Bisley in 45 Colt. I also have two original Colt Bisley's (1903 and 1906) and the Uberti is mighty, mighty close to them in every way. It does have the little pivoting hammer block safety, but it's almost unnoticeable. I've had all three revolvers completely apart and have no doubt all the parts would interchange, but I bet DJ could confirm this.

If you're just looking for the feel of an original Colt, I'd imagine the Uberti's would be fine.

35W
 
Has anyone tried improving or putting a slightly wider front sight on the Uberti guns? It worth it? The round thin nature of the standard sight doesn't play well with my eyes.
Yes. See above. A marked improvement. but a full width front sight wouldn't be much use without opening the rear groove up to .125".

Here's what mine of mine looks like after having a machinist mill the V groove out to .125".

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I think very few people really use Uberti's in a way that will make them realize the quality of these revolvers. Mine have been just crazy accurate, especially considering the sights.

35W
 
I've had all three revolvers completely apart and have no doubt all the parts would interchange, but I bet DJ could confirm this.

Howdy Again

I have had Ubertis and Colts completely apart too, but I have not tried swapping parts back and forth. Keep meaning to do a photo essay about the differences between Colts and Ubertis when I get a roundtuit.


tiny V groove rear sight and the tapered or "pinched" front sight.

The term 'pinched' refers to some very early rear sights, not front sights. This is a 'pinched frame' Colt.

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colddill, yeah i read your first post... meant as a joke! someone would say it eventually, thought i would get it out of the way
 
If you're after the original "black powder" frame with the retention screw instead of the push button then Pietta also makes a "first gen" black powder model. Just sayin'.....

I've got a couple of recent made (maybe 20 years old) Uberti 1858 Remington clones and they are super nicely made. But the Pietta 1873's I got for my cowboy action shooting about 7 years ago are just as nicely made on balance as the Ubertis I've seen.

Each is a little better than the other in some small ways but in the end I can't say that either is clearly a better made gun than the other. I've got quite a few thousand rounds out of my Pietta guns at this point including probably around a dozen or so through each in .357mag just for giggles back when I first got them. The insides are doing nicely with no signs of wear other than the rub spots polishing in nicely with age but not to where they are showing any signs of wearing any grooves. Lockup is still solid in both guns with just the slightest detectable amount of shake in either one.

A historically correct copy will use the firing pin in the hammer. My Pietta guns are this way and a check for the Pietta parts diagram at Taylor's shows just the one 1873 diagram with the hammer mounted firing pin. So it would seem that Pietta is still producing them that way.

Looking through the Uberti parts diagrams also at Taylor's seems to show that any of the full size Uberti 1873's still use the firing pins on the hammer. But if you're going to buy new it would be worth checking to be sure this is the case with the model you want to get.

The next question is which barrel length. For pure looks I love the long and slender look of the full length 7 1/2's over the stubby 5 1/2's or 4 7/8's. But this is your gun so you get what tickles your eyes.

Uberti seems to have a mind blowing array of styling options. My eyes are really drawn to the pimpin' look of the colour case frame with fire blued cylinder and barrel. It seems shiny enough that one almost needs sunglasses to look at it even on a dull day.... :D
 
Your budget pretty much eliminates anything but Uberti and Pietta. Take your pick but I'd suggest avoiding blackpowder frames and V-notch sights for practical reasons.
 
I guess I should have mentioned in my description that a Colt from 1873 would have had the firing pin in the hammer. I assumed everybody knew that.

But of course, the very early Colts had the conical shaped firing pin that did not swivel.

Like this.

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Nobody makes a firing pin like that anymore. This is the firing pin in a Second Gen Colt. This is what the firing pin in the one Uberti that I still have looks like.

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One of those minor changes Colt made over time. Like I said, if you want a revolver representative of the Colts made in 1873, you are going to have to accept some compromises. Unless you want to pony up thousands of dollars for an authentic 1870s Colt.

http://www.amoskeagauction.com/108/60.html

P.S. If you click on the different pictures, you can zoom in on some of the features, such as the angled screw for the cylinder pin.
 
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