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I read a post by a member sometime back stating what he had learned about Concealed Carry from his own personal experience.
I think that THR is a great source for information with plenty of real life, practical knowledge and experience. The members and their knowledge is a great and invaluable resource that I learn from on a regular basis.
I would like to ask the question, What is the most important thing you have learned about carrying? or What do fellow members need to know about Concealed Carry? Please no arguing, just your opinions and why you feel this way.
 
That's a good topic... I'll do a top 10...

1. The #1 thing I learned, and the thing that actually surprised me more than anything, is that 99.9999% of people are blissfully unaware of other people. You could stuff a bazooka in your swim shorts and nobody would ever suspect that you are carrying a bazooka. They don't look, they don't ask, and they don't care.

1B. Despite the truth of the above, persons who first start carrying seem to think that although they have hidden their Jennings .17 Mouse Gun in their pants, under three shirts, and then put on an arctic parka, that somehow every member of the general public will instantly know that they have a gun. Strangely enough, I never suffered from this particular affliction. I did, however, practice a lot in the house before I went for nachos.

2. People have all kinds of advice when you carry. Places, methods, holsters, etc. They will usually state things in absolutes. "Leather holsters are the only way to go. Kydex is all junk." The vast majority of this advice is absolutely worthless. Find what works for YOU, and once you find out what works for you, then USE that and DO that.

2B. Optionally, once you find out what works for you, go ahead and log onto Internet forums and give advice to new people in absolute terms. It helps pass the time.

3. When people do, somehow, find out that you carry, the vast majority of them will not go screaming into the night. 99.9999% of people don't actually care if you have a gun or not. They just don't care. They are neither impressed nor intimidated. You may as well have a banana in your shorts.

3B. It is not actually recommended that you carry food products in your shorts.

4. Carrying two guns is just as easy as carrying one gun and a spare magazine.

4B. Sometimes life is too short to reload.

5. Guns used for daily carry should be stripped and cleaned on a regular schedule. I do mine about every three months if I don't shoot in the middle. Magazines too. It is absolutely AMAZING the amount of lint, dust, hair of all types, string, food, boogers, sand fleas, and other assorted crap that manages to infest your gun.

5B. A clean gun is a happy gun.

5C. Inspect your weapon and magazines every day. DO NOT assume that they are OK because they were OK the last time you checked. LOOK at the thing and make sure everything looks OK. Once, I did not notice that my daughter managed to spill some coke into my Glock and holster one day until later that evening. It came out of the holster, but was sticky. How she managed to spill coke in my gun, I really cannot fathom. It had to be her, because I was drinking tea.

6. If I am dressed nicely and happen to go outside or into a store having forgotten to put on my jacket, nobody cares about my open carry. They assume I'm a detective or something.

6B. If I am dressed like a bum and try the same thing, people call the police.

6C. Open carry is dumb. Go ahead and flame me, but it's dumb. Put a shirt over it and nobody will care. You could walk around with a thermonuclear warhead in your shorts, and nobody would give a damn. Walk around with it out in the open on your belt, and someone is going to be troubled.

6D. People who open carry seem to have something to prove, or they're trying to make a statement, or some such thing like that. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

6E. The foregoing does not, of course, apply to folks who cannot conceal because of the legal issues but can open carry by law. That's kind of trixity, I guess.

7. Train regularly in every aspect of your carry. I don't go shooting in the winter, personally, because it's cold on the outdoor range...

8. Carrying a gun (or two) involves a trade-off. Access vs. concealment. The deeper the concealment, the slower the access. I, personally, would rather risk someone seeing the gun once in a while so long as I can get to it whenever I need it FAST. If I can't draw and shoot in 1 second, then the concealment is too deep, IMO.

9. If you get the permit, then CARRY THE GUN! *EVERYWHERE* *ALL THE TIME*.

10. It's important to have a family crisis plan. It's important to talk to the wife (or husband) and kids. "When daddy starts shooting, this is what you should do." I like to use communication phrases. For instance, if I say, "My neck hurts.", that means that we are leaving RIGHT NOW. If I say, "I don't want any trouble.", that means I'm about to start blasting and everyone should run the emergency plan. Things like that.

10A. When you walk with your kid, and the kid holds your hand, make sure that they aren't holding the hand that you need to draw with.

10B. Be straight with the kids. "Why do you carry a gun, daddy?" "For shooting bad people. If someone tries to hurt us, I may have to stop them." Kids understand that very readily. My daughter (at age 4) readily understood that I always have the gun, and she isn't to talk about it in public. If she needs to reference my gun, she will talk in my ear or say something like, "Daddy, your shirt is crooked."

Nio
 
It's just amazing how well a full size pistol on a full size guy will disapear.

No-one notices, in our society it's rude to ask a man what that strange bulge in his pants is, even ruder if it's a woman with a bulge in her pants:neener:

And most important, carry something you can shoot. A 1911 you can't handle will lose to a Bersa THunder .380 you can handle.

Ask, try, see what you like.
 
top ten eh??
I'll flame you for open carry, I dont open carry (concealed for me!), but is it DUMB??
I stopped reading your "top 35" right there because you obviously dont have a very wide perspective which shows your ignorance!!!

I would say the most improtant thing to me about CC is always having my gun. Dont matter what size, shape, or form. My J-frame is on me EVERYWHERE, otherwise, whats the point? I can put my gun in my jacket pocket and if I feel like a "situation" may occur, I am able to
point my gun and nobody is the wiser, no brandishing....

again though, having my gun anytime I need it is best...house, store, walking the dog, work....the list goes on...
 
With the vast majority of reasonable quality guns - the most important thing is that you get some quality training in mindset, tactics and techniques and stop worrying about minor technical variance.
 
to the CCW class of 2006...

Ladies and Gentlemen of the CCW class of 2006...

Carry a Gun

If I could offer you one tip for the future, concealed carry would be it. The long term safety benefits of carrying a gun for protection have been proven by scientists, whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable than my own meandering experience.

I will dispense this advice, now

Enjoy the power and beauty of your piece, oh never mind, you will not understand the power and beauty of your piece until you are forced to defend life and limb, but trust me if you carry for 20 years without incident you will wake up one day and realize in a way you can't grasp now how many times the thought of you carrying had deterred a criminal and how much of your life you have been comforted knowing that you were being socially responsible by carrying your gun.

You are not as poor a marksman as you imagine

Don't worry about an encounter, or worry, but know that worrying is prone to cause you to become careless and paranoid, then the real danger to the public could become you and your paranoid sense of over caution, causing you to draw your sidearm on an innocent if misguided fool who actually posed no threat to you or anyone else.

Do one thing, everyday, that helps you become more aware of your surroundings.

Practice

Don't be reckless with other peoples sidearm’s, don't put up with people who are reckless with yours.

Dry fire often

Don't waste your time bragging, sometimes you’ll shoot a dime group, sometimes a quarter, the central mass is large in comparison, and in the end, it only takes one well-placed shot

Remember that in taking the responsibility to carry a concealed handgun you assume the duty to protect not only yourself but also everyone else, always be constantly aware of everything happening around you. If you succeed in doing this, tell me how.

Keep your best target groups, throw away the bad ones

Relax

Don't feel guilty if you can't decide which handgun to carry, some of the more interesting people that I know went through several before they made up their mind, some of the most interesting people that I know still can't decide.

Get plenty of time practicing target acquisition

Be kind to your eyes and your ears, you'll miss them when their gone.

Maybe you'll be the victim of a robbery, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll be assaulted, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll shoot a quarter at 40 with a .380, Maybe you'll be the only thing standing between a rapist and a would be victim. Whatever you do, don't get wrapped up in the moment too much, and don't get complacent either, your safety is mostly awareness, so is everyone else’s.

Enjoy your sidearm, shoot it often for target practice, and don’t be afraid of it or concerned about what other people think of it, it's one of the greatest tools you will ever use.

Shoot, even if you have nowhere to do it but a two-hour drive from where you live. Know all the rules, even if you don't follow them, do not compare yourself to Olympic shooters it will only make you fell like a crapshot

Brother and Sister together we'll make it safe
Someday the gun laws will be erased from the books
I know you’ve been oppressed
But we've been carrying to protect you
And we'll be there to help you out
Whenever we can

Get to know your neighbors; you never know when they'll call you at 2 in the morning to warn you of a break in. Be nice to everyone you can, there at worst an anti but most likely on the fence and need to meet someone like you to show them the safety benefits of carrying.

Understand that criminals come and go, but only a precious few have the courage to stand up to them.

Work hard to bridge the gaps between those unsure about firearms and those carrying, because the older people get, the harder it is to change their mind about something that have already decided to be true.

Visit New York City at least once, but leave before you get mugged without your gun. Visit Vermont once, and don't forget to carry your firearm with pride.

Acquire your target

Accept certain unalienable truths, ammo prices will rise, politicians will lie for your support, you too will get old, and when you do, you'll fantasize that when you were young, ammo was cheap, politicians were trustworthy, and everyone owned a gun.

Carry your gun

Don't ever decide that you have enough ammo. Maybe you'll have a full magazine in the pistol, maybe you'll have an extra magazine in the holster, you've only got a few shots before both of them run out.

Don't use too much oil when cleaning, or by the time you've put 400 rounds through it, it will look like you put 4000.

Be careful whom you take to the range with you, but be patient with those you do instruct. Instruction is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of taking your knowledge from the garbage pile, cleaning it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.

But trust me, on the concealed carry.

Brother and Sister together we'll make it safe
Someday the gun laws will be erased from the books
I know you’ve been oppressed
But we've been carrying to protect you
And we'll be there to help you out
When you’re ready to shoot

Till everybody’s free
Till everybody’s free
Oh yea
Free to carry, oh yea.
 
I'll flame you for open carry, I dont open carry (concealed for me!), but is it DUMB?? I stopped reading your "top 35" right there because you obviously dont have a very wide perspective which shows your ignorance!!!

LOL! Well, think about it this way. You've got 800 dollars in cash. Are you going to put it IN your pocket, or are you going to tuck it half way in your belt and let it flap in the breeze for all the world to see?

My perspective is based on my experience. I have enough experience to figure out where to keep my money. YMMV.

Nio
 
I've learned from THR that, while concealing, Nothing SCREAMS Gun. People just don't notice and don't seem to care.
 
loose lips sink ships....

it's called concealed carry for a reason....

very, very few people know I carry (and the number would be cut in half if I didn't have to provide references on my permit application).
 
Ghostly

That was great. I have that cd and your changes are real cool. Now you should record your own audio version!
 
Nice discussion about guns, ammo, and even the right amount of oil. All nice and all totally irrelevant.

The real question for people who carry guns is "Are YOU willing to kill?" No ifs, ands or buts. ARE YOU WILLING TO KILL SOMEONE? ARE YOU WILLING TO RISK YOUR LIFE AND THE LIVES OF LOVED ONES TO STOP A BAD GUY? ARE YOU WILLING TO TAKE A CHANCE THAT YOUR BULLETS WON'T KILL AN INNOCENT PERSON, MAYBE A CHILD, MAYBE YOUR CHILD?

If you would rather talk about ammunition, and holsters, and gun oil, and magazines, throw the gun in the dresser drawer. If you feel squeamish about my question, or that I have raised the issue, the drawer is the right place for that gun because you will not use it when the time comes. You can't shoot off the bad guy's hangnail like in the movies, and you can't depend on the video game designer to keep you from getting shot.

Sure, there are times when you will be a victim whether you are armed or not, but if you are armed and draw, you present a threat to the bad guy's life and continued freedom; he WILL fire at you and may hit you or anyone around you. That WILL happen even if you are so good you can take him out with the first shot, because he will have his gun in his hand.

I am not talking to the folks (you know who you are) who are at high enough risk that they NEED a gun; they carry to stay alive when the threat is known and real. There is no "just in case" about it, someone really is out to get them.

I expect I will hear a lot of macho bravado about being carried by six and how you shoot pennies at a thousand yards with your Glock, but none of that matters a damn against the basic question - ARE YOU WILLING TO KILL AND RISK YOU OR OTHERS BEING KILLED? If not, the gun goes in the safe and gets taken to the range on weekends.

Jim
 
Mr Keenan has brought up a good point that is worth serious consideration, but no one is absolutely positive he is able to take another persons life until the time comes. If you are not sure, then the dresser drawer is probably the right place for a gun. However until the time comes when I may have to take a persons life, any post that will help me to be better prepared is greatly appreciated.
 
Mr Keenan has brought up a good point that is worth serious consideration, but no one is absolutely positive he is able to take another persons life until the time comes. If you are not sure, then the dresser drawer is probably the right place for a gun. However until the time comes when I may have to take a persons life, any post that will help me to be better prepared is greatly appreciated.

You have framed the issue badly, though. "It's a hell of a thing to kill a man. You take away everything he's ever had, and everything he's gonna have."

I have something to say about this, but first I want to ask you a question.

If sometime in the future, someone in a dark alley pulls a weapon on you, and you draw your weapon and fire - and subiquently the assailaint dies - answer me this:

Who killed him?

Nio
 
Who killed him?

"Jury of 12 says you did... Now pay his family every cent you'll ever acquire for the rest of your life."

If you haven't seriously thought about that possibility, you're only kidding yourself. I stayed out of this thread because some of the things that were said were beginning to irritate the hell out of me. Jim Keenan's post was a nice, refreshing breather from all the idealistic, cutesy BS that was being said in here.. and frankly, it's one of the only posts in here really worth reading so far.

Thanks, Jim.

Edit: El Tejon also makes a very valid point that many more people should pay attention to.
 
I expect I will hear a lot of macho bravado about being carried by six and how you shoot pennies at a thousand yards with your Glock, but none of that matters a damn against the basic question - ARE YOU WILLING TO KILL AND RISK YOU OR OTHERS BEING KILLED? If not, the gun goes in the safe and gets taken to the range on weekends.

It's a very valid question that everyone has to answer on their own. Risk assessment isn't often discussed. Everything is like this, though. For Thanksgiving, we drove to Houston. I didn't nececarily do a risk assesment and say, "Am I willing to put my life and the lives of my family on the line by driving on the interstate in order to visit friends and family?" Even though I didn't ask the quesiton, I took precautions as far as I could. I own a late model vehicle with all the safety features. We all wear seat belts. I stay awake and alert while on the road. I don't drive into places I don't belong.

There was a news story not too long ago about a family of four killed and dumped on a Florida turnpike. It's things like that which educate my decision to carry a gun. Am I willing to kill and risk myself or others being killed? Yes. I'd rather have that option and take that chance rather than see my children murdered before my eyes while clinging to their mother. Anybody who isn't willing to have that option and take that chance is...something I don't have a word for.

I wrote a whole page about why I carry, which I share with people who ask. It can be found here:

http://www.theplacewithnoname.com/g/carry.htm

I think that pretty much covers it.

Nio
 
If you haven't seriously thought about that possibility, you're only kidding yourself. I stayed out of this thread because some of the things that were said were beginning to irritate the hell out of me. Jim Keenan's post was a nice, refreshing breather from all the idealistic, cutesy BS that was being said in here.. and frankly, it's one of the only posts in here really worth reading so far.

Why don't you use your vast intellect and wisdom to educate the rest of us that aren't as fortunate as yourself, then?

Nio
 
Okay, Nio - I'll bite.

The most important thing I've learned about concealed carry?


- Don't listen to internet CCW-Gods with barely 100 posts in internet firearms forums. Free advice is almost always worth what you paid for it. :D

- I've learned that some people carry because they think it's some kind of badge of staus or honor, or because they think it's an automatic "get out of jail free" card for shooting someone. Some people feel that their CCW gives them the right, or even better yet, the DUTY - to interefere with random situations they witness in public. Those people are a danger to all of us, and CCW itself.

- I've learned that if your only tool is a hammer, then every problem starts to look like a nail. You have to rely on a lot more than X-rounds of X-caliber if you want to stay alive and out of prison. Use your HEAD. It'll get you a lot farther along than your gun, or your sarcasm.

How's that?
 
- Don't listen to internet CCW-Gods with barely 100 posts in internet firearms forums. Free advice is almost always worth what you paid for it.

Yep. Covered that in 2 and 2B of my first post in this thread. I think someone must have missed that. If you think about it in context...well, if it has to be explained, it loses something...

- I've learned that some people carry because they think it's some kind of badge of staus or honor, or because they think it's an automatic "get out of jail free" card for shooting someone. Some people feel that their CCW gives them the right, or even better yet, the DUTY - to interefere with random situations they witness in public. Those people are a danger to all of us, and CCW itself.

Agree completely.

- I've learned that if your only tool is a hammer, then every problem starts to look like a nail. You have to rely on a lot more than X-rounds of X-caliber if you want to stay alive and out of prison. Use your HEAD. It'll get you a lot farther along than your gun, or your sarcasm.

No doubt.

I've found that having a sense of humor helps me get along in the world. It's a lesson I'd like to see more people learn.

How's that?

Poifect.

Nio
 
For the record Nio, I did find some of the jokes in your original post to be pretty funny. I do feel that 2B.) is still a little different than what I'm saying though. ;) Stick around for a while, you'll get it eventually. In the meantime, welcome to the club. We're glad to have ya'. :)
 
For the record Nio, I did find some of the jokes in your original post to be pretty funny. I do feel that 2B.) is still a little different than what I'm saying though. Stick around for a while, you'll get it eventually. In the meantime, welcome to the club. We're glad to have ya'.

Thanks.

I've been around a lot longer than you think. I just don't post so much. I guess when I get to 826, I'll see what lights have come on, eh? ;)

Nio
 
Brother and Sister together we'll make it safe
Someday the gun laws will be erased from the books
I know you’ve been oppressed
But we've been carrying to protect you
And we'll be there to help you out
Whenever we can

This is a load of idealistic crap.:barf: Your CCW permit is not a peace officers commission. You don't protect anything but yourself. You are playing right into the anti's hands by taking this attitude. You have absolutely no business carrying a gun if you believe this, you are simply not mature enough for the responsibility. That is a fact. If you want to carry a gun to protect society then I suggest you apply at your local police department. The hours suck, the pay is often below what people with much less responsibility earn and for some reason there is a shortage of qualified applicants.

Kleck's research is showing that CCW laws have no affect on the crime rate. If you think you are doing some public service by getting a CCW permit, then please don't get one, your reasons are all wrong.

Carrying a firearm is an awesome responsibility. The first thing you have to do in the decision process is ask and answer Jim Keenan's question. You can't blow this off with a flip answer. I mean you need to really think about it. Do some research. Talk to your clergyman. Make sure that in your heart of hearts you are ready to assume the legal, moral and social consequences of taking a life. Don't carry a firearm believing that because most defensive encounters end when the firearm is presented that your encounter will end that way. It might not.

Once you've decided that you can actually use your weapon, then you need to look at the lifestyle changes carrying a firearm will require. Are you willing to turn your back and walk away from confrontations? Are you willing to take any insult a drunken aggressor might throw at you by withdrawing from the situation? If you frequent bars and nightclubs and have a sort of brawling lifestyle, are you willing to give that up?

Are you willing to go back to school. Not just to learn to handle and shoot your weapon accurately, but to learn the law, and to keep up with changes in the law? To learn other means of conflict resolution such as verbal judo?

Are you willing to change the way you dress to accomodate your weapon? Modify your vehicle so that you can have secure storage for your weapon when you must go somewhere that carry is prohibited?

If you can do all those things then you're ready to carry. Now it's time to become a lifelong student.

Jeff
 
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