mountain lion attack in gun free paradise

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All of you guys who only post links, this is how you do it!

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/16546900.htm

Mountain lion attacks man in Humboldt state park

LISA LEFF
Associated Press

SAN FRANCISCO - State wildlife officials on Thursday credited a 65-year-old Fortuna woman with saving her 70-year-old husband's life by clubbing a mountain lion that had his head gripped in its jaws until the animal let go.

Jim and Nell Hamm, who will celebrate their 50th wedding anniversary on Feb. 9, were hiking in Prairie Creek Redwoods State Park on the far North Coast when he was attacked by a single lion, Supervising Ranger Maury Morningstar said.

"He didn't scream. It was a different, horrible plea for help, and I turned around and by then the cat had wrestled Jim to the ground," Nell Hamm said in an interview from the hospital where her husband was recovering from a torn scalp, puncture wounds and other injuries.

Game wardens, who closed the park and released hounds to track the mountain lion, shot and killed a pair found near the trail where the attack happened.

One lion, a female, was shot with a rifle Wednesday night. The other, a male, was killed Thursday morning, said Fish and Game Warden Rick Banko. Their carcasses were flown to a state forensics lab in Rancho Cordova to determine if either animal mauled the man, he said.

Although she and her husband are avid hikers and experienced in the outdoors, neither of them had seen a mountain lion before Jim Hamm found himself on the ground trying to fight one off, his wife said. Nell Hamm said she grabbed a four-inch wide log and beat the animal with it, but it wouldn't relinquish its hold on her husband's head.

"Jim was talking to me all through this, and he said, 'I've got a pen in my pocket and get the pen and jab him in the eye,'" she said. "So I got the pen and tried to put it in his eye, but it didn't want to go in as easy as I thought it would."

When the pen bent and became useless, Nell Hamm went back to using the log. The lion eventually let go and with blood on its snout stood staring at the woman, who screamed and waved her wooden weapon until the animal slowly walked away.

"She saved his life, there is no doubt about it," said Steve Martarano, a spokesman for the Department of Fish and Game.

Hamm said she was scared to leave her dazed, bleeding husband alone, so the couple walked a quarter-mile to a trail head, where she gathered branches to protect them if more lions came around. They waited there - Hamm does not know for how long - until a ranger came by and summoned help.

"My concern was to get Jim out of there," she said. "I told him, 'Get up, get up, walk,' and he did."

Jim Hamm, whose lips had to be stitched back together, underwent surgery for lacerations on his head and body at Mad River Community Hospital in Arcata. He was in fair condition on Thursday, and told his wife he plans to make the trip to New Zealand they planned for their Golden anniversary, she said.

Hamm said she and her husband want to use their experience to warn people never to hike in the backcountry alone. Park rangers told them that if they had not been together, Jim Hamm probably would not have survived the attacked.

"I feel that Jim and I fought for his life," she said. "We fought harder than we ever have to save his life, and we fought together."

Based on their weight of between 70 and 100 pounds, officials think the lions were relatively young.

The incident about 320 miles north of San Francisco was the 16th mountain lion attack reported to the state since 1890. It was the first attack since three people were injured, one of them fatally, in separate incidents in Orange and Tulare counties in 2004, Martarano said.

Since 1990, the 4,000 to 6,000 mountain lions estimated to be in California have been protected from hunting, although residents can get special permits to shoot a lion if it is perceived as a danger to people, pets or livestock.

Sightings of the animals have increased in the past decade as housing has spread into their habitat, but attacks are relatively rare since mountain lions tend to be wary of people, said Karen Kovacs, a senior wildlife biologist with the Department of Fish and Game.

"For the most part, their natural inclination is to go the other way when humans are around," Kovacs said. "This was atypical because this person was with somebody. Usually they attack someone who is alone."

The park was reopened to the public Thursday after the second lion was killed, Banko said.
 
from FAQ's

What animals are found in the park?

A partial list includes mountain lion, bobcat, black bear, gray fox, coyote, porcupine, otter, opossum, mink, striped skunk, spotted skunk, weasel, various bats, various owl species, Steller's jay, scrub jay, raven, chipmunk, gray squirrel, Douglas squirrel, ground squirrel, black-tailed deer, wild pig (non-native), wild turkey (non-native), salmon, steelhead, pikeminnow, various newts and salamanders, banana slugs, and many more. For more about the park's wildlife, visit the flora and fauna page.
Is hunting allowed in the park?

No, hunting is not allowed anywhere in the state park. Firearms of any kind are also not allowed, even if they are unloaded.

They should also make a dang law saying "no mountain lion or bear shall have teeth and claws"
 
my letter to head Ranger

ject: Suggestion for park rules RE: Mountain Lion and Bears.
To: [email protected]
I never go hunting but I do carry a gun for self defense, I notice that
it is against Park rules to carry a gun, so of course I will
not visit. Perhaps you can create a safe environment by making a rule
that no mountain lion shall possess teeth or claws.
Thank You!
 
It is statewide, no firearms in state parks in CA. The ranger is not going to be able to change anything, or even likely to pass it on to anyone if you complain to him.
The risk of you being killed or injured by a natural predator is more acceptable than the risk many people being allowed to have firearms and potentialy illegaly poach on the only wildlife preservations. The fact that poachers ignore the laws along with other criminals is considered an illogical argument in this state.
I understand both points of view. Many people even non-poachers would fire before it was necessary just because they were scared. However other people will be victimize by predators both animal and human because only the predators have weapons. However in CA where for the most part people are expected to be disarmed in general, that is not a big difference so does not seem illogical to continue the same general policy, and strengthen it a bit for wildlife protection.

Welcome to CA, oh and make sure you buy an adventures' pass if you want to pull over and park in any national forest too as it is over a $100 fine otherwise. Now state parks on the other hand have camping, but price is over $30 a night to sleep in the forest in many places. No, the wilderness is no longer free. Pulling over on the side of the road and enjoying the wilderness is illegal without a pass, and having a firearm located even in your vehicle while you do so is against the law if you are in a state or national park in CA.
An individual or family in a state park if they are following the law is the most unnarmed defenseless type of people in the state. Not enough LEOs (which of course is considered the problem in CA if crime still exists, the state needs more resources from your wallet, and you need less rights) nor enough tax $ to patrol and even respond to crime in them, but being capable of defending themselves is illegal. Be sure to bring the young ones you care about most and visit our beautiful remote victim disarmament zones, and bring a wad of cash to pay the fees. :neener:
 
Zoogster! yer trying to cheer us up, eh?!

:neener: :evil:

Yeah, I knew the letter wouldn't make a difference, I like to poke bureaucrats anyway.
I also call Mayor Bloomburg's office and tell them I have unregistered guns.

I didn't know about that adventurer pass, where does one get that?

I'll camp in NV's State parks , a mile from CA and bring my .357:D

When I camped in CA State parks, I carried anyway.

I never saw any mountain lions & the only ranger I saw was the one I paid my fee to.
 
While quickly looking up the adventure pass for you I ran across a website made just for fighting it. Only southern California's national forests require them. If it is not a state park, not a national park, but is wilderness then it is likely a national forest, which are the only out of the 3 that even allow firearms. Thier use of course is still restricted.
http://www.freeourforests.org/adpass.htm
The pass is available via mail or at many outdoor shops and some stores near forests. It is $5 a day, and $30 or so a year to legaly park anywhere in one. Not much, but an awful lot when you consider your not buying anything, just the right to stop your vehicle in the forest your taxes already pay for. I guess washington has a similar pass from the website. The money is just profit to use as the state wishes. So your in essence billed twice, once in taxes to pay for all the costs of the forest, and then again to use it.
 
I guess it's a SoCal thing

I never heard of them doing that up here, I called Mendicino Nat Forest Headquarters a few years ago and they said guns are ok at campsites and to use common sense when shooting.
They were real nice about it.

Thanks for finding out that website so quickly!
 
Cougar!

The press release:

>SAN FRANCISCO - State wildlife officials on Thursday credited a 65-year-old Fortuna woman with saving her 70-year-old husband's life by clubbing a mountain lion that had his head gripped in its jaws until the animal let go.<
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Well...Wait for it. Pretty soon the lady will have suit filed against her by some animal rights group for harassing and injuring the cat. This is, after all, Shangri-La by the Bay... :rolleyes:

Truth is...that if a big cat is stalking you with a plan of attack, you'll be lucky to be able to get to your pistol in time to stop it. They're ambush predators, and you can have one trailing you for a long time without even knowing that it's there until it attacks....usually from behind and almost always from above.

In a few villages in India, where tiger attacks are fairly commonplace from time to time...the villagers have taken to wearing face masks on the backs of their heads...and the attacks decrease. Seems that cats rarely attack anything that's looking at them, preferring to go for the surprise. When they see eyes upon'em, they stand down, unless they're at the point of starvation.
 
Because they are crafty ambush predators, you are unlikely to see the one that attacks you before you're on the ground. In that case, a very sharp hunting knife in a sheath on your hip would be the way to go, with some advantages even over a pistol. People have even killed large bears mano a mano (mano a claw?) with knives.

In extreme cases, if you knew you were being stalked by a predator (bear or lion) a hunting knife can also be attached to a pole to make a spear.
 
When it comes to kakafornia, I only have contempt for their laws. The few times I visited (against my will) when I lived in AZ, I just tucked my Glock in my camera bag and pretended to be a dumb tourist. Back then it wasn't a felony to carry concealed, so I guess they don't think much of their own laws either.
 
That poor poor Mountain Lion should have been petted and hugged and offered a nice warm bath along with an animal massage and friendly kisses... Then if the Lion ate the guy,, his wife could boast about how morally superior she and her dead husband were...
 
And my CA born and raised wife used to wonder why I refused to move to her home state. After living in a free state long enough, though, now even she refuses to go back to CA for anything longer than a few days' visit.

That poor poor Mountain Lion should have been petted and hugged and offered a nice warm bath along with an animal massage and friendly kisses... Then if the Lion ate the guy,, his wife could boast about how morally superior she and her dead husband were...
Yep, the poor thing just wanted to play with these nice people. Why'd she have to go and beat it over the head?:rolleyes:

I can just see this poor woman working up the spine to stare that thing down. If she hadn't, it wouldn't have walked away. They'd both be dead. Good for her.
 
The Montana cats probably get biger than the cats in Ca., but it still a surprise to me how big they are:
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The History Prof. said the first thought that came to my mind...Full Points to the woman that fought one on one with a big cat to save her man. Close enough to try to stab it in the eye with a pen! :what: I can see why he's stayed married to her for nearly 50 years! I know all we macho men around here would like to say we'd have done the same thing but a person just wouldn't know until the time came. For those who say you wouldn't have been able to use a handgun if you had one and were attacked...I'd say Nell Hamm sure could have found use for one! Even Jim might have been able to reach a sidearm if he'd had one.

All hail Nell Hamm! Next beer I drink will be in her honor. :)
 
Florida recently removed the "No Guns" restrictions from all State Parks.
 
Ahem! NV is shall issue

NAC 407.105 Possession or use of weapons. (NRS 407.0475, 407.065)

1. In any park, a person shall not:

(a) Use a bow and arrow, slingshot or paint ball launcher;

(b) Possess a firearm, unless:

(1) The firearm is unloaded and inside a vehicle; or

(2) The person in possession of the firearm has a permit to carry a concealed firearm issued pursuant to the provisions of NRS 202.3653 to 202.369, inclusive, and is carrying the firearm in conformity with the terms of the permit;

(c) Discharge a weapon, including, without limitation, an air rifle, spring gun or air pistol; or

(d) Throw a knife, hatchet, spear, stone or projectile,

Ê except as authorized by the Administrator.

2. The Administrator may designate zones in which a person may, for the purposes of hunting a species that is designated by the Board of Wildlife Commissioners as a game mammal or game bird pursuant to chapter 503 of NAC, carry and discharge a firearm or bow in accordance with the regulations of the Department of Wildlife. At each park in which a zone is designated pursuant to this subsection, the ranger in charge of the region or the supervisor of the park shall post at the headquarters of the park, and at each area within the park which is designated as a zone in which a person may carry and discharge a firearm or bow for the purposes of hunting, maps of the designated zones within that park.

3. Target shooting is prohibited in all areas of a park, except in an area designated as a firing range.

4. Use of a bow to kill, capture or injure a fish is prohibited within 100 feet of a swimmer.

(Added to NAC by Div. of St. Parks, 12-31-85, eff. 1-1-86; A 3-9-88; 7-25-90; 11-12-93; 3-20-96, eff. 4-1-96; R164-97, 3-1-98; R145-99, 1-18-2000; R118-01, 12-17-2001; R149-05, 5-4-2006)
 
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I talked to an author who researched lions/tigers he said that
the Tigers in India wised up and learned that it was a mask
and resumed attacking.
 
Even NYS lets you carry it state parks.

Which is a good thing because a good portion of the state is one big park. . . Adirondack State Park, which is about the size of Vermont.
 
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