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from the StarTribune, Jan 27:

Editorial: U.S. mayors get tough on illegal firearms
Rybak, Coleman join in effort of Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

(sidebar)CHICAGO'S RECORD "Last year, Chicago's crime rate went down 3 percent, while the national rate increased 3 percent. One of the reasons for our success is that our police continue to lead the nation in removing illegal guns from the streets." Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley

The nation's mayors -- including St. Paul's Chris Coleman and Minneapolis' R.T. Rybak -- are taking dead aim at the illegal firearms that fuel the carnage visited upon so many of their neighborhoods. With Democrats now controlling Congress, they stand a good chance of taking down the barriers to effective law enforcement erected by the National Rifle Association and its congressional allies.
The mayors met Tuesday in Washington, with Rybak in attendance, in their first national summit as Mayors Against Illegal Guns. It is a bipartisan group determined to get from Congress the tools they need to take illegal guns off the street.

Their first target is the Tiahrt amendment, named for Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., which prohibits the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives from releasing trace data on illegal firearms to cities and their law enforcement agencies except in narrowly defined cases. Every year since 2003, the Tiahrt amendment has been attached to Justice Department appropriations bills, and each year the restrictions have gotten tighter. This year, several bills in the House would further tighten the language and make it permanent. As a consequence of Tiahrt, for example, cities are unable to use BATFE data to pursue action against a gun dealer who is the source of illegal weapons used to commit crimes.

As always, cries will go up that the mayors want to trample on the right to bear arms. That's nonsense, says New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a leader of Mayors Against Illegal Guns. "Our coalition has refused to fall into the same old trap that this is an either/or issue -- either respect the rights of gun owners, or keep illegal guns out of the hands of criminals," Bloomberg said at the summit. "The fact is, respecting the rights of gun owners while cracking down on illegal guns are completely compatible goals -- and we are committed to both."

To help move their congressional agenda forward, the mayors will work with an impressive bipartisan task force in the House that includes Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., chairman of the Ways and Means Committee; John Conyers, D-Mich., chairman of the Judiciary Committee; Peter King, R-N.Y., ranking member of the Committee on Homeland Security, and Mark Kirk, R-Ill., a member of the Appropriations Committee.

The mayors and the members of Congress have the wholehearted support of the American people. Poll after poll has shown that most Americans, tired of their neighborhoods being turned into battle zones, support strong efforts to control illegal guns. They don't buy the gun-rights alarms of the NRA and its allies. In a recent poll, respondents were asked a question that went directly to the issue raised by the Tiahrt amendment. Asked whether "police should or should not be allowed to share information with other cities and states about who sold and bought a gun that is found at a crime scene," 90 percent of all respondents and 87 percent of gun owners said such sharing should be allowed.

The mayors' cause is righteous, and we're delighted that Coleman and Rybak are taking an active role. Getting illegal guns off the streets of their two cities is a goal their constituents will wholeheartedly support.


That's the whole editorial--here's the link:http://www.startribune.com/561/story/962786.html

I'm not up to speed on this mayoral "illegal guns" BS game, but if you can get me up to speed, I'll write a response.

Jim H.
 
CHICAGO'S RECORD

"Last year, Chicago's crime rate went down 3 percent, while the national rate increased 3 percent. One of the reasons for our success is that our police continue to lead the nation in removing illegal guns from the streets."

Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley


This is the reason Daley would use for anything, if the price of gas goes down it was because of removing illegal guns from the streets. A nice sunny day, same reason.
Actually he has done ONE thing to decrease the crime rate in Chicago, he has been shutting down the worst public housing projects in the city, including Cabrini Green. Of course since there is less public housing available there these people are moving down state. In my county 90% of the murders and a large percentage of all crime involves someone listed as being from or formerly of Chicago. Jim.
 
an impressive bipartisan task force

Yet another reason to vote libertarian...

The mayors and the members of Congress have the wholehearted support of the American people.

Not this american person. One of the things I don't trust: statistics from people with agendas.
 
With Democrats now controlling Congress, they stand a good chance of taking down the barriers to effective law enforcement erected by the National Rifle Association and its congressional allies.


Taking down barriers?

barriers = rights?
barriers = constitution?

full steam ahead ....
 
The point about housing is interesting. Recently the small newspaper in Springfield (IL capital, town of about 110,000) ran a feature about young black professionals leaving Springfield in droves because the place is dead. Nothing to do, gotta have the right name to get ahead (they're not just whining about that, you really do have to be named Cellini, Bartolomucci, Davlin, Redpath, etc. to rise far in that town) and nobody understands "their culture."

Someone wrote a letter to the editor this week thanking them for running the piece. He said that as a young black man, he's surrounded by people moving into Springfield from Chicago and St. Louis to "get on Section 8" (those are his quotes, by the way.) They tell him that they come to Springfield because they intend to live on welfare and the big cities are too expensive to live on that income in the style to which they've become accustomed.

I'm not sure if it's better or worse to have people like that spreading into smaller cities (it wasn't exactly paradise when people in Chicago had to deal with entire housing projects full of such people, rather than the letter writer in Springfield.)
 
But... But... But... We elected PRO GUN Democrats! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

My dream America: The Libertarian Party v. the Constitution Party as the two main parties, with the D&R Parties trying to figure out where they lost the voters.
 
I was listening to a radio show last week, some news commentator that I'm not familiar was reading the headlines. He spoke of some sports figure that was recently arrested for owning "illegal guns," basically for having weapons and not having his FOID card for them. The commentator was incredulous, rattling off the huge "arsenal" (three handguns, three rifles, calibers unlisted). What got me was the bit about the ammunition.

"FIVE HUNDRED ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION!" :eek:

I submit for your consideration, a likely picture of the 500 rounds that was found.

500rounds_2559.jpg


One day, this will be "illegal ammunition" if some people have their way.

jm
 
"Last year, Chicago's crime rate went down 3 percent, while the national rate increased 3 percent. One of the reasons for our success is that our police continue to lead the nation in removing illegal guns from the streets."

Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley
Chicago, the land of dead Democrats miraculously arising from the grave to vote. You can't trust the poll numbers in Chicago so why should we trust the numbers the Chicago PD makes public. Daley:barf:
 
How Nicely they Twist the language

If they define "illegal guns" as "illegally possessing a firearm" they they are absolutely correct in stating that a majority of us are against that. i I'm all for extra efforts to prevent criminals and other people not allowed possess firearms from having them. It is a nice twist on language because they really intend to remove the legal right to posses a fire arm. Seems that these buffoons aren't willing to do the hard work, and would have us believe that the way to prevent criminals from using firearms is to remove them from the possession of those who have not committed a crime and very likely will not use their firearms in a criminal manner. The media goes along with them and will not challenge them for absolute stupidity.
 
You know, I'm so pissed that these task forces always manage to find guns before I do. I swear, what I would give to find just ONE gun on the street. I mean damnit, here's all these perfectly good guns just LYING there ON THE STREET. But do I ever get to them in time... NOOO! I swear to holy God, one day I'm just going to wait at an intersection from sun up to sun down so I can catch one of these guns that are aparently so pervasive, ON THE STREET.
 
Who has the links, or whatever--

to chase down the Tiehart amendment and explain it?

I'm shaping up the response I'll write, but I need some input.

First, maybe grant them the Tiehart amendment.

Second, define 'illegal' guns rhetoric, and expose the gun-grabbing.

Third, rerun the argument.
 
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