sfl_gunner
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Correct me if I'm wrong. Is 1/10 MRAD worth about .36 inches at 100 yards?
MRAD vs MOA
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Yes, but if you go Mil you should start thinking in mils instead of converting them. That said, MOA makes sense for a lot of people, and the vast majority of us grew up shooing "inches", so an MOA scope is easy.
That said, if you want to shoot PRS, almost everyone shoots Mil, so it makes sense to go Mil and be speaking the same language.
Mils deal with smaller numbers as well, which I like, and tenths are easy. Took me a bit, but I learned the language and trained myself to think and see Mil.
That said, if you want to shoot PRS, almost everyone shoots Mil, so it makes sense to go Mil and be speaking the same language.
Mils deal with smaller numbers as well, which I like, and tenths are easy. Took me a bit, but I learned the language and trained myself to think and see Mil.
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further more MRAD DUMB! MOA BEST!........
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.......Im kidding of course. I dont think in Mils, so I prefer MOA.
Walkalong gives good advice, use what the other guys use and stick with it, saves having to do conversions or risk screwing up a shot.... dialed 800yd drop into my Mil scope like it was MOA last time we shot.
further more MRAD DUMB! MOA BEST!........
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.......Im kidding of course. I dont think in Mils, so I prefer MOA.
Walkalong gives good advice, use what the other guys use and stick with it, saves having to do conversions or risk screwing up a shot.... dialed 800yd drop into my Mil scope like it was MOA last time we shot.
I prefer MRAD/MIL since I have been using that system since enlisting int he Army at 17. Use what is easier for you and/or what others you shoot with use. Using one and having a spotter that is use to the other can lead to some confusion.
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Whether you use MOA or mrad, stop thinking of your corrections in inches - you’ll never have a ruler taped to your targets, so you’ll always be measuring in angles, not linear sizes.
Personally, I like mrad much better than MOA, and I really don’t care for IPHY, but any of them really work the same. But if I ever shoot BR or F-class again, I’ll use a MOA based scope. But for everything else I do, the native tongue is better as mrad.
Personally, I like mrad much better than MOA, and I really don’t care for IPHY, but any of them really work the same. But if I ever shoot BR or F-class again, I’ll use a MOA based scope. But for everything else I do, the native tongue is better as mrad.
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For me MRAD vs MOA is just like Metric vs US customary. They are just units the math is all the same. I have scopes in both.
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I speak, think, and breathe MOA. As a High Power shooter. BUT, I recently got a 6mm ARC to use in both long range and PRS matches. I had to pick a scope to start so I chose one in MRAD since PRS is an MRAD game. However, since I've been shooting mid-range and long range matches with the same set up, I'm trying to make it work for me right. I'm considering a second scope so I can have a dedicated scope for each discipline instead of mixing apples and oranges.
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3.44 MOA per mrad. But you should never have to convert, it’s just an academic exercise.
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One radian is 100 yards of arc at 100 yards of distance. That's the foundational thing to remember.
That's why the military uses it. Radians "absorb" the trigonometry into the unit. It's better to have a bunch of crayon-eaters doing arithmetic than doing trigonometry.
That's why the military uses it. Radians "absorb" the trigonometry into the unit. It's better to have a bunch of crayon-eaters doing arithmetic than doing trigonometry.
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If you want to use MRADs you might want to adopt the metric system for shooting. 1 Mil is 10cm at 100m. It's 20cm at 200m.
Here's a nice writeup on it: https://www.schmidtundbender.de/en/...D or MIL&text=0.1 MRAD/MIL is 1,1 cm at 100 m.
The metric system is so simple.
Here's a nice writeup on it: https://www.schmidtundbender.de/en/...D or MIL&text=0.1 MRAD/MIL is 1,1 cm at 100 m.
The metric system is so simple.
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Even better to simply input a distance into a calculator, and dial the output onto your turret, or hold it in your reticle, and measure target widths with your reticle to compare against your wind bracket, and never have to worry about doing any math at all.
But converting either of the unit systems for angular measure to ANY linear measure is just a waste of time...
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Sometimes it can help people understand. Or help them sight in an optic. Or range find with a reticle on a target of known size.
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Mil is easier to range and calculate adjustments once you get used to it. But my brain thinks in inches , so I prefer Moa.
I know about how thick the body of a deer is from belly to back. Without having to think about it, I know about how many inches 1 moa is at any given yardage, and I know about how much bullet drop I have at those yardages so, the only thing I really have to think much about is windage, and I generally hold over for that.
I know about how thick the body of a deer is from belly to back. Without having to think about it, I know about how many inches 1 moa is at any given yardage, and I know about how much bullet drop I have at those yardages so, the only thing I really have to think much about is windage, and I generally hold over for that.
MIL is all base 10
100 yards is 3600 inches
1 MIL would be 3600/1000=3.6
.1 Mil would be 3.6/10=.36
Knowing how to do math without a calculator isn't a waste of time IMHO.
True, but it delays the learning curve if learning MRAD. That said, yes, it can help.
Well of course not, but (IMHO), that's not what he is saying. He's simply saying use either system, but don't waste time converting etc, just use the system. Most of us know what inches look like, we've used them all of our life. We have to learn what Mils look like downrange. When I stopped trying to convert to inches to "help" me understand the space, Mils got easier/faster to learn.
Yes, within those parameters, which is using either system.
Input yardage, dial the output of the ballistics program. Shoot. Hmm, about .2 low, need to add a couple of tenths, or........ Hmm, nearly an inch low, dial it in....No math to convert one to another etc.
Input yardage, dial the output of the ballistics program. Shoot. Hmm, about .2 low, need to add a couple of tenths, or........ Hmm, nearly an inch low, dial it in....No math to convert one to another etc.
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In BR we are not allowed to have any electronic devices at our bench during a record string, nor are we allowed to have a spotter beyond the live pits or coach talking during a record string. No inputting of data etc. I also can’t name one LRBR competitor that uses Mil based scopes but in all fairness I’ve haven’t polled either but as pointed out earlier that when sharing data it’s nice to be on the same wavelength.
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Computers, tools, calculators are all nice. But I'm the kind of guy that needs to know where the numbers come from. Some competitions allow tools others don't. So I like to be ready to do it on my own. If I had more time and money ahead of my upcoming match, I would just buy another scope. And switch between scopes when I shoot different disciplines.
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All I'm saying is wind calls are almost always in mph so unless your wind calls are in kph your still faking it.
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Both actually, In Canada or UK I would expect KPH
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Right I would to but those countries us metric.... and the debate is about conversion, and I don't see usa prs shooters making wind calls in kph.
The more knowledgeable guys can correct me if I'm wrong , but I would expect that if they did, they wouldn't convert from KPH to MPH before deciding on the hold or visualizing the hold a other shooters talking about.
The way i see it....Wind calls could be in KPH, vertical could be in Mils, horizontal could be in MOA.
As long as you're working within those systems and not trying to use one for the other, you really don't have to do any math.
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I would not make a statement about the group as some dial, some hold over.... the only certainty is the guy that does it differently will chime in... do what works for you....
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