Multiple pistol, multiple user safe?

[ClickClickD'oh]

Here's an odd one I thought I would come to the community for help with. We have an armed security contract coming up that will require the firearms to be stored on site when not in use. Due to the oddness of the contract, each security officer will be required to retrieve their own firearm at the beginning of the shift (no overall supervisor position to control access). Due to the fact that I am not insane, some sort of safe will be required to contain the firearms, and I don't exactly want any individual officer to have access to them all in case he decides to quit mid shift and take all the firearms.

So, I went looking for something like a bank of safety deposit boxes with combo locks so each officer could have their own mini-safe.

No joy.

Then I started thinking about a build your own type affair where you start with a metal industrial cabinet like so:

http://www.quill.com/sandusky-black-steel-keyless-electronic-lock-storage-cabinet/cbs/316494.html

Then bolt in individual gun safes like these:

http://www.amazon.com/Bulldog-5-5-I...8&qid=1394653586&sr=8-31&keywords=pistol+safe

..giving each officer access to an individual mini-safe contained in a big lock box.

Thoughts? Opinions? Better ideas?

 

[BSA1]

Do a search under law enforcement for gun lockers. Lockers are commonly used in jails for officers to secure their firearm in before entering with their prisoner.

That said I would have a very hard time working for a company that required me to leave my personally owned firearm at work all the time. Company gun sure, mine I don't think so.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

Do a search under law enforcement for gun lockers

Holy hell what a brain fart I had. Used the suckers for years and completely forgot about them. Thanks a bunch for that.

...and blame DC for the rest.

 

[km101]

A small private range where I was a member, bought some old Post Office boxes and used them for gun lockers. Worked very well, but you would have to be careful about key control.

Don't know how common they are but it's something to check on.

 

[xwingband]

Yeah, a locker is the way to go. Depends on how secure you'd like it to be as well. You could do a combo lock... that's probably cheapest. If the locker accepts standard cam locks you can talk to a locksmith about key controlled blanks. That can start to be expensive though as something like a Medeco is not cheap. My family charges about $8-20 to cut Medeco keys.

Check surplus for lockers I'd say as well.

 

[hartcreek]

I am with BSA on that personal gun issue I sure would not want my property locked up on some site.

 

[FAS1]

Individual handgun safes bolted to something solid.

 

[Pizzapinochle]

http://www.budgetmailboxes.com/16-d...BU_d_16_d_SD&gclid=CLLP97uFkL0CFYc7Ogod7WkAFw

Not super secure if someone really wanted to bust into it, but would work to keep someone from just walking off with them.

 

[Pizzapinochle]

Actually.... Probably better.....

http://www.budgetmailboxes.com/comm...boxes-24-doors--23-usable--front-loading.html

 

[Tirod]

My local locksmith was selling surplus gun lockers that were obviously from a government building. Apparently a refit or relocation was involved. He was retailing them for about $120 each, used.

Check who supplies these to contractors, likely a big commercial locksmith, and you may walk right into a floor display of them like I did.

 

[FAS1]

http://www.budgetmailboxes.com/16-d...BU_d_16_d_SD&gclid=CLLP97uFkL0CFYc7Ogod7WkAFw

Not super secure if someone really wanted to bust into it, but would work to keep someone from just walking off with them.

I agree, but I think the cluster boxes would be good if they are not out in the open for anyone to access. They are just aluminum w/cam locks.

Will they at least be behind a locked door, cage, etc.?

 

[CWL]

Neither of those "budget" mail boxes will work to secure firearms. While each box has individual access, the entire face will spring open with a master key that the mailman has. They lock with a single small latch that can easily be popped with a small prybar. Our community tried those for our mail, but thieves attacked them very easily.

I don't have any specific suggestions, but I suggest you stick with devices specifically designed for firearms, probably will give you better legal protection in case anything does happen.

 

[Jeff White]

http://www.precisionlocker.com/Pistol-Lockers-s/27.htm

http://www.fascosecurityproducts.com/pistol-lockers.html

http://www.southwestsolutions.com/industrial/sallyport-handgun-lockers-dsm-gun-storage-cabinets

http://www.dlsweaponsystems.com/compartment_pistol_locker.html

 

[c1ogden]

BSA! is correct - NEVER leave a personal firearm in a locker that you don't have exclusive (and UNRESTRICTED) access to.

We had a similar detail in my town where the security guards had to purchase guns specifically for this corporate job and were required to leave them on-site when off duty. These were guns purchased by, and registered to, the individual employees (NJ requires a special purchase permit for each handgun purchase). One day a decision was made to disband the security force and most of the personnel only found out when they arrived for their shifts to find the pink slips where the guns should have been. They were told that the guns had been removed for "safe keeping" by management.

I happened to be in HQ when one of the laid off officers came in and asked what he should do as he was worried about his gun being "missing" and not under his control. This was about 0030Hrs so I made out a stolen firearm report to cover the man's butt and had an officer from the day shift call the company. He explained that whichever employee had physical custody of the guns was committing the NJ felonies of illegal acquisition of a firearm, illegal possession of a firearm, and the federal felony of possession of stolen firearms. Other laid off officers had reported the thefts to their own local PDs and ours was not the only call the company received. The guns were quickly returned to their owners.

Texas may not offer as much protection so be very careful !
If you do decide to go along with it, make sure you have another gun for the ride home!

 

[hartcreek]

How many persons......I have been to the steel yard and seen heavy gage lockable circuit breaker boxes. I got one and screwed it to the floor for my folks so they have a gun locker.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

My gun comes to work and goes home with me period.

 

[crazysccrmd]

BSA! is correct - NEVER leave a personal firearm in a locker that you don't have exclusive (and UNRESTRICTED) access to.

My gun comes to work and goes home with me period.

...and blame DC for the rest.

Sounds to me like the job site is in DC and it would be illegal for the contracted security to possess the firearms off the job site.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

Sounds to me like the job site is in DC and it would be illegal for the contracted security to possess the firearms off the job site.

Yup.

This aberration of sanity is due to DC regulations. We don't do this in any of the other states we operate in, including NJ. The officers working this contract are to be assigned only to this contract. As such, DC law prohibits them from transporting the firearms off the job site.

And yes FAS1, this will be inside a secure room.

Thank you everyone for your input.

 

[Jeff White]

Just out of curiosity, how do the weapons get into DC to get to the job site?

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

The company is purchasing and registering the firearms in DC.... which is in itself it's own sort of special silliness that requires company management (read: me) to appear in person at Metro for fingerprinting and paperwork.

We will then be allowed to transport the firearms directly to and from our registered place of business and the assigned post that has been declared with Metro.

 

[BSA1]

Does the same rule apply for the ammunition?

How do you legally get the gun out of D.C. when you quit/terminated from the job? (Why do I think it might not be possible?)