Murder, Suicide Rates Up in Parts of U.S. -Study

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Murder, Suicide Rates Up in Parts of U.S. -Study

Thu Apr 21, 4:19 PM ET
By Paul Simao

ATLANTA (Reuters) - Murder rates are on the rise in a handful of U.S. states, according to a federal study that bolsters indications the nation as a whole may be experiencing its first significant jump in violent deaths since the early 1990s.

The finding, published on Thursday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, was based on data from the first six states to take part in the federal agency's national violent-death reporting system.

The overall murder rate in these states -- Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Oregon, South Carolina and Virginia -- jumped 6 percent between 2000 and 2002 and another 4 percent between 2002 and 2003, to 5.49 per 100,000 people, the CDC said.

The rising murder rates were fueled by a jump in homicides among males under the age of 25, mimicking the trend of the 1980s and early 1990s, when U.S. murder rates also increased.

The suicide rate was stable in the six states between 2000 and 2002, but it rose 5 percent between 2002 and 2003, to 9.37 per 100,000. The increase was largely due to rises in self-inflicted deaths among women of all ages.

Some sociologists have tied rising murder and suicide rates to changes in the economy as well as a greater availability of drugs and guns. The U.S. economy grew robustly for much of the 1990s, but fell into recession in March 2001 and the job market was sluggish even after the recession ended in November of that year.

The Atlanta-based CDC said it was not certain what had caused the rising rates of violent deaths and did not say whether it believed that they shadowed a similar trend for the rest of the nation.

But it noted that its findings were "consistent with final data from law enforcement reports compiled by the FBI, which indicate an increase in the national homicide rate in 2003."

The six states, which accounted for 11 percent of the murders and 10 percent of suicides in 2002, were in step with the rest of the nation between 1993 and 2000, when national homicide and suicide rates fell sharply.

The CDC said it hoped that its report would lead to a better understanding of personal and social risk factors for violence and help spur development of prevention programs.

OK, my question: I know that Maryland, Taxachusetts, and Neu Jersey are totally anti-gun, commies in power and all, but what about the other states? I believe Oregon's laws are made by commies, but I don't know anything about S. Carolina and Virginia.
 
Now we know the gun banishment front will play this to the tilt.
There is a possibility they'll claim it's all the fault of the GOP, the AWB
demise, etc. Please !

Interesting isn't that of those 6 states, 3 of them have some of the most
restrictive gun laws in the entire nation. Now how will the anti gun front
twist that around for their own propaganda tool....?
:rolleyes:
 
Some sociologists have tied rising murder and suicide rates to changes in the economy as well as a greater availability of drugs and guns.
So how much looser have NJ, MD, and MA gun laws become in the past few years? :rolleyes: Unless we're talking about the illegal gun flow, being unrelated to the laws.
 
I can't speak for states other than VA and MD. In MD, drug activity remains a constant problem in counties adjacent to DC, and seems to account for almost daily killings.

In VA, the exploding hispanic illegal alien population has given rise to gangs like MS-13 routinely expunging one another. Strangely, even though VA "fails miserably at gun control" :D the weapon of choice seems to be the machete rather than an evil gun, and the victims seem to be mainly other hispanic aliens. I wonder if that has anything to do with the steady rise in CCW issuance in these parts? :cool:

TC
 
Nightfall and Leatherneck nail it! The hysteria here is the economy, drugs and guns. Well, the gun and drug laws here in my little Commiewealth have been relatively stagnant. The economy ebbs and flows as it has for the last 350 years. The one thing that has increased significantly is illegal aliens and lookkee here: that is where the increased gun and drug problem is!

But since they are only here to do the jobs that Americans refuse to do, that can't be the problem... :scrutiny:
 
Drugs are illegal
Guns are illegal (or they may as well be, in a few of those states).

Yet, there is still a problem of people shooting each other, often over drugs.

Hmmm....

:rolleyes:
 
As a proud member of the .01% of Sociologists (probably being too generous here) who actually interpret social facts without ivory tower blinders on, I too noticed that several of the states listed above have some of the most restrictive gun laws on the books. Hmmm…I wonder how many of those murders involved unarmed victims/victims that the perpetrators knew would be unarmed? :rolleyes:

Ahh… I’ve probably said too much… I bet “they†are after me now…
:scrutiny:
 
Typical reporting from Al-Reuters


Some sociologists have tied rising murder and suicide rates to changes in the economy as well as a greater availability of drugs and guns.

Bush = bad economy = guns = evil = crime = global warming = drugs, even though they don't say it explicitly. God forbid we mention the crime rate of protected minorities and gang members hacking each other to pieces.

Al-Reuters should not even bother reporting this misleading story. At best it says nothing. More likely it points it's socialist finger in the wrong direction.

MS-13 (et al) has more to do with it than "changes in the economy":

http://michellemalkin.com/immigration/2005/04/21/10:27.am
 
Another thing the antis may misrepresent: These are murder rates, not necessarily gun deaths. Could be knives, bats, any number of other methods.
 
ATLANTA (Reuters) - Murder rates are on the rise in a handful of U.S. states, according to a federal study that bolsters indications the nation as a whole may be experiencing its first significant jump in violent deaths since the early 1990s.

Yes, well when you let millions of young poorly educated hispanic illegals into the country you're guaranting that the crimes of violence associated with that demographic (young, poorly educated, poor language skills, urban) will increase.

Thanks to people like President Bush, on top of the extra $1000's in State and Federal taxes I pay to support health care, education, and policing associated with illegal immigrants I get to experence an increasing level of serious crime as well.
 
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The article doesn't (unless I missed it) say where in the state the increase came from. I'm betting that it is not a smooth increase, but concentrated in inner cities.
Someone also made the good point that gang-gang violence is a little bit of a red herring.
 
I'm betting that it is not a smooth increase, but concentrated in inner cities.
Yup.
I'd bet that the increase in Virginia has something to do with its proximity to crime ridden Washington, D.C.

Oregon and South Carolina remain unexplained, though. Maybe just bad luck? Two states out of fifty isn't a very big deal, especially if it is just for one year.
 
This is as predicted some ten years ago. It's a demographics thing.

The nationwide number of young males in the mid-teens to twenty-five years group was declining through the 1990s. The violence rate declined along with that, as one would expect.

This has been changing during the last couple or three years, as forecast.

More young males = more violence. Simple as that. No law can do much to increase or decrease their numbers.

You don't even have to be real smart to have a small amount of either memory or cognitive ability. :) Unless you're in politics or the CDC, I guess.

Art
 
Question?

My question is when did murder and suicide become a disease? Why is the Center for Disease Control [CDC] involved at all? :banghead:
 
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I'd bet that the increase in Virginia has something to do with its proximity to crime ridden Washington, D.C.

Wrong, most of Virgina is a long way from DC. In fact Fairfax Co., just across the river and 1 million in population, had only 10 murders in 2004 [1 per 100,000]. That is way less than the rate in DC :( , Montgomery Co :eek: , and Prince Gerorges Co :barf: the other large population centers.
 
Art Eatman is right. I believe Generation X which was the young generation during the period with the low murder rate was one of the smallest generations in recent history. Therefore you have a lot less young males going out and doing stupid things. The Millennial Generation rivals the Boomer generation in sheer numbers and that gives you more young males to do stupid things. It is more a matter of demographics than anything else.
 
It's just the Liberals who cannot stand Republican control. Instead of heading for Canada they gave up and shot their spouse and then themselves trying to make a point. :what:
 
(1) When have you believed anything that Reuters has ever said?

(2) 4 of the 6 are very blue states...they have a higher murder rate and lower birth rates than red states.

(3) I live in South Jersey and my county Ocean (and the neighboring one, Monmouth) were just rated in the top ten safest counties in the US for our population size.

(4) There are lies, damned lies, and statistics...how many of the killings were gang related, how many used guns, what were the age groupings. The murders we've had around here over the last few years were cops going psyco and killing neighbors and other cops. Those and dirtbags from North Jersey down here on robbery/killing sprees to get drug money...they prey on retirees we have down here at the shore.

If you actually read the entire report here, you can get a better idea of what is going on...it covers the entire country.

Please note that these are the adjusted figures that Reuters is using...the Government crude figures for suicides are still going down....11.4 in 1950 and 11.0 now.

Suicide from all causes was 21% higher in the 50s...and has only gone up 4% since 1995...from 10.4 to 10.9 per 100,000

Rates for firearm deaths were 14.3/100,000 in the 70's and are 10.4/100,000 now...and the rate hasn't changed in years.

If the reason for suicide is going up, they aren't using guns.

You can read any of these multiply hundred page statistical reports and see anything you want.

For example....

In 32 years, firearm related deaths have dropped 37%. It says so right on the chart on page 134. I personally believe the rate dropped because more and more states are allowing CCW carry. Prove me wrong.

See what I mean. It is interesting though.
 
Some sociologists have tied rising murder and suicide rates to changes in the economy as well as a greater availability of drugs and guns.

Obviously, that's bunkum.

French fries cause murder.

You don't believe me?

Well, just consider the facts, then. Sociologists have conclusively demonstrated in repeated federally funded studies that over 99% of all convicted felons in both state and federal prisons ate French fries as small children.

So there. Proves it.
 
I bet the reason the suicide rate went up is because of the unexplainable high number of suicides on November 3rd. Mostly in Democratic leaning states. :D
 
My question is when did murder and suicide become a disease? Why is the Center for Disease Control [CDC] involved at all?

The CDC keeps statistics of pretty much every aspect of human health in America including causes of death and injury catalogued by method of injury, as well as every other measure that you could possibly imagine. This is an invaludable service that WE can use to dispell a lot of the crap esoused by the brady bunch (as evidenced by this recent thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=135111 )

Do not blame the CDC because "Some sociologists" (notice that they arent even willing to identify themselves or theit institution, that is how much faith they have in their own claims) have decided that the numbers they recorded mean something that was not inferred. Remember that the CDC itself made no assertions as to the cause of the increase. In typical sociologist fasion we have a couple of academics who take a miniscule amount of data and decide to pervert it into some validation for their pre-existing hair brained theories.
 
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