My Boys Like Shootouts. What's Wrong With That? (WashPost)

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Here is a snapshot of what us DC-area people have to look forward to when our 2 year olds get older . . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/23/AR2007022301749_pf.html

My Boys Like Shootouts. What's Wrong With That?

By Jonathan Turley
Sunday, February 25, 2007; B01

As the father of four kids younger than 9, I confess to being an overly obsessive and doting parent. I secretly follow my 8-year-old son, Benjamin, when he goes out on his bike, to make sure that he doesn't ride in the middle of the street. I hover inches over my 18-month-old daughter, Madie, at the playground to make sure that she doesn't eat sand. I am the very model of the risk-averse parent. Yet for some parents in my neighborhood, my kids and I are the risk to be avoided, even if it means removing their children when we show up at the park. The reason: toy guns.

I first noticed the "shunning" at the most unlikely of events. Each year on Labor Day, my Alexandria community has a "Wheel Day" parade in which hundreds of kids convert their bikes, scooters and wagons into different fantasy vehicles. Last year, we turned our red wagon into a replica Conestoga wagon with real sewn canvas over wooden ribs, wooden water barrels, quarter horse -- and, yes, plastic rifles. It was a big hit and the kids won first prize for their age group. The celebration, however, was short lived. As soon as one mother spotted the toy rifles inside the wagon, she pulled her screaming children out of the event, announcing that she would not "expose them" to guns.

I must confess to feeling a mix of deep guilt and even deeper rage at that moment. It was not as though my kids were reenacting the massacre of a Cherokee village; they were simply living out innocent fantasies of the Old West. After some grumbling, my friends and I eventually dismissed the matter as some earth mother gone berserk.

But then it happened again.

My 4-year-old son, Aidan, brought his orange Buzz Lightyear plastic ray gun to "the pit," as our neighborhood playground is known. As he began pursuing an evildoer -- his 6-year-old brother, Jack -- around the playground, a mother froze with an expression of utter revulsion. Glaring alternately from Aidan to me, she waited for a few minutes before grabbing her son and proclaiming loudly that he could not play there "if that boy is going to be allowed to play with guns."

While such "zero-tolerance" parents still seem to be a minority, this is a scene that seems to be repeating itself with increasing regularity. To these parents, my wife and I are "gun-tolerant" and therefore corruptors of children who should be avoided. Not only are such toys viewed as encouraging aggressive behavior and violent attitudes, they are also seen as reinforcing gender stereotypes, with boys playing with guns or swords and girls playing with dolls or cooking sets.

My wife and I are hardly poster parents for the National Rifle Association. We are social liberals who fret over every detail and danger of child rearing. We do not let our kids watch violent TV shows and do not tolerate rough play. Like most of our friends, we tried early on to avoid any gender stereotypes in our selection of games and toys. However, our effort to avoid guns and swords and other similar toys became a Sisyphean battle. Once, in a fit of exasperation, my wife gathered up all of the swords that the boys had acquired as gifts and threw them into the trash. When she returned to the house, she found that the boys had commandeered the celery from the refrigerator to finish their epic battle. Forced to choose between balanced diets and balanced play, my wife returned the swords with strict guidelines about where and when pirate fights, ninja attacks and Jedi rescues could occur.

When I began to research this issue, I found a library of academic studies with such engaging titles as "Longitudinal Stability of Personality Traits: A Multitrait-Multimethod-Multioccasion Analysis." The thrust was that gender differences do exist in the toys and games that boys and girls tend to choose. The anecdotal evidence in my neighborhood (with more than 60 young kids in a four-block radius) was even clearer: Parents of boys reported endless variations on the celery swords. There seems to be something "hard-wired" with the XY chromosome that leads boys to glance at a small moss-covered branch and immediately see an air-cooled, camouflaged, fully automatic 50-caliber Browning rifle with attachable bayonet.

Many parents can relate to Holley and Warren Lutz, who thought that after their daughter Seeley, they could raise her little brother, Carver, in a weapon-free house. Holley realized her error when she gave 10-month-old Carver a Barbie doll and truck one day. The little boy examined both and then proceeded to run Barbie over repeatedly with the truck. By 2, he was bending his sister's Barbies into L-shapes and using them as guns.

One of my neighbors, Tracy Miller, a child psychologist and mother of three girls and a boy, found that her son instinctively gravitated toward improvised weaponry from an early age, while her girls, who are temperamentally more assertive, never showed the slightest interest. Miller resolved that it was better to allow this type of channeling of aggression, while keeping tabs on how it manifested itself in her son's games.

Her view is supported by a recent flurry of studies looking at boys and their development. Michael Thompson, a psychologist and coauthor of "Raising Cain: Protecting the Emotional Life of Boys," writes that parents often overreact when confronted with toy guns and other games: "Play is play. Violence is violence." The key is making sure that kids distinguish between the two in their play.

Nancy Carlsson-Paige, co-author of the book "Who's Calling the Shots?: How to Respond Effectively to Children's Fascination with War Play and War Toys," sees it differently. These toys are not the product of natural childhood fantasies, she says, but "really manifest the ideas of adults -- of marketing people" who push toys that reflect an adult imagination more than a child's. Yet Carlsson-Paige, who has long studied the effect of violence in the media on the social development of children, says it is true that guns and war games are a way of helping some children process the plethora of violent images on television, in videos, in the news. When I asked her about my neighborhood toy gun issues, she told me: "If parents 'ban' gun play, they run the risk of cutting off a valuable vehicle children need for processing the violence [because] kids use their play to make meaning of what they have experienced in life, and in this case, of the violence they have seen."

For his part, the late child psychologist Bruno Bettelheim, author of "The Good Enough Parent," said that there is clearly a gender difference in the toys parents give boys and girls to play with, but he thought that rather than taking guns away from boys, parents should pass them out to girls, who would be served "equally well to be able to discharge their anger through symbolic play, as with toy guns."

While the zero-tolerance debate about guns and other such toys predated the 1990s, it was greatly accelerated after the 1999 Columbine High School shootings as educators rushed to develop formal policies against weapons (fake or real) in schools. This made obvious sense to most parents -- these toys do lend themselves to disruptive games and it can be difficult from a distance to distinguish between real and toy weapons. However, nervous school officials soon began to apply these policies as strict liability offenses where even the most minor violation is treated as a cause for arrest, expulsion or special schooling.

Consider:

· In New Jersey, an 8-year-old boy used an L-shaped piece of paper in a game of cops and robbers during recess. School officials called the police, saying the child had threatened "to kill other students" by saying "pow pow" on the playground. He was held for five hours and forced to make two court appearances before charges were dropped. Two 8-year-old boys were charged with making "terrorist threats" after they were found pointing paper guns at classmates. Charges were later dropped.

· In Texas, a 13-year-old girl was suspended and transferred to a school for problem kids after she brought a butter knife to school with her lunch. Her parents had packed the dull knife so that she could cut her apple to make it easier to eat because she wore braces.

· In Arkansas, an 8-year-old boy was punished for pointing a cooked chicken strip at another student and saying "pow, pow, pow."

· In Georgia, a 5-year-old student was suspended after he brought a plastic gun the size of a quarter to his kindergarten class.

Even drawing a picture is too close for comfort under these zero-tolerance policies. In Florida, two 10-year-olds were arrested after drawing stick figures considered to be threatening, and in Nevada, teachers tried unsuccessfully to expel a boy for drawing a cartoon of the death of his teacher.

While many people are complaining about such harsh actions and lawmakers are beginning to call for more moderate policies, some parents want zero-tolerance policies extended to playgrounds, parties and other venues. That has put many of us who have a more expansive view of what is acceptable childhood play in the unenviable position of either conforming to a policy that we believe to be excessive or continually triggering confrontations with zero-tolerance parents.

Of course, it is a bit troubling to be seen as a local gun merchant supplying the weaponry of gratuitous violence to our playgrounds. However, we do not believe that play guns and swords are ruining our children. Frankly, after three boys, my wife and I have resolved the nature/nurture debate in our house in favor of nature.

Yet on the playground there seems to be a palpable fear among zero-tolerance parents that boys harbor some deep and dark violent gene that, if awakened, is likely to end years later with some sort of Hannibal Lecter situation. Of course, there are at least 100 million men in this country who probably played with toy guns or swords as children and did not grow up to become serial killers.

As one of five kids (with two older brothers), I grew up in a liberal, no-guns household in Chicago in the 1960s. My mother considered it her duty to smash any squirt gun we brought into the house. In looking back, though, I'm sure that her gun-free policy made us all the more obsessed with the toys. My kids, on the other hand, show no such fixation. They rarely play gun games (sword fights are more common) and are more inclined to hunt for valuable rocks on the playground or convert our best linens into makeshift yurts in the living room.

Still, when their best friend recently invited them to his Army-themed birthday party, it didn't bother us a bit (though some parents did refuse to let their children attend). In fact, I was struck by how, more than combat fighting, the boys tended to act out scenes involving rescuing comrades or defending the wounded. What I saw was not boys experimenting with carnage and slaughter, but modeling notions of courage and sacrifice. They were trying to experience the emotions at the extremes of human conduct: facing and overcoming fear to remain faithful to their fellow soldiers.

Or, as child psychologist Penny Holland put it in her book, "We Don't Play with Guns Here," their make-believe games were "part of . . . making sense of the world [imitating] timeless themes of the struggle between good and evil." This explanation is probably all the more important in a world filled with violent images of war on television and in the news.

Being a weapons-tolerant parent doesn't mean I'm thrilled by these games. I would prefer that my sons played nation-builder or rocket scientist. However, before they get to such fantasies, they seem to have to work out more basic emotions in more basic ways. So for a few more years at least, the celery will remain in the fridge and the swords on the playground.

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Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University.

Interesting comments during Turley's online chat today:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/02/23/DI2007022301285.html
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Arlington, Va.: From what is getting posted, I'm assuming that you only bother to deal with posters that agree with you, but I find it shocking that you are not teaching your young children that voilence (even pretend) is unacceptable. Yes, little boys will tend to pretend everything is a gun (even celery sticks), but responsible parents sopcialize their children away from the wrong childish tendancies. Shame on you

Jonathan Turley: I am answering the emails in their order not their content. As you can see, few are negative like yours. This will have to be the last due to the time limit. My only comment is to consider your own approach. I am not ashamed. I have tried to research the issue and speak with parents on both sides. The vast majority reached the same conclusion as we did. We do watch and nuture our children. However, most parents and most experts, do not support your view. Yet, few of us would call you shameful or the other parents adopting this view. What we do teach, however, is tolerance and civility to our children.
 
In Arkansas, an 8-year-old boy was punished for pointing a cooked chicken strip at another student and saying "pow, pow, pow."

'FDA FREEZE!!!'

Couldn't resist, makes me wonder if more kids are killed choking to death on food or by guns in which case the threat was real. If it was cafeteria food the way I remember it very well could have been a serious threat.

We don't have toy guns in the casa. IMHO they are too dangerous and have little training value at a young age. We only have real guns. Toy swords we are debating they have been watching the Star Wars series and now want light sabres.
 
Toy guns were great as a kid... I wasn't alive in the "good ole days", still had to deal with zero tolerance in school and whatnot. Toy guns, swords, knives... were the greatest things though. And get this, some of these even fired projectiles!!! The ice cream man sold them for $2 and they fired hollow rubber bullets. Oh the humanity!

In 5th grade after school I'd walk to a friends house and have cheap airsoft battles in his backyard, attacking and defending a tree house.

I pity the kid who has parents who don't allow him/her a childhood. :(
 
I do not play on buying any realistic toy guns for my children, until they are at least in upper elementary. The risk of confusing one for the other is too great, and although I plan on hammering home the Eddie Eagle rules, I want to avoid it. Besides, I'm sure they'll have more fun with the real one anyway. :p

That said, I have no issue with something like this:

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Just another reason to avoid sending my chidlern to someone else to educate. Its not the ciriculum, the teachers, or the admins... its the other freakin' parents.

Their children can watch Britney bump-and-grid like a cheap stripper; Their children can listen to explitive ladden music; Their children can watch the bikini-clad sexploitation of MTV all damn day.

But god forbid they be exposed to guns!
 
As soon as one mother spotted the toy rifles inside the wagon, she pulled her screaming children out of the event, announcing that she would not "expose them" to guns.
Excellent way to make them even more facinated with those mysterious forbidden devices. That, coupled with ignorance about their operation makes them prime candidates for a "it just went off" or "I thought it was unloaded" incident in their future.

"What is your facination with my forbidden closet of mystery?" - Cheif Wiggum
 
Childhood is basically dead. I've watched my own nephews and nieces and it's amazing how different their lives are than those of my generation and earlier. When I grew up, nothing was thought of me taking a BB gun and wandering around the swamps in Louisiana or in the junk yards of Milwaukie. I never remember fearing that someone would try to snatch me. And while the swamps had three kinds of lethal snakes, the only thing I was scared of was a huge brahma bull who chased me when I crossed his turf en route to the creek. And I was relatively sheltered compared with my friends, some of whom didn't seem to have any parents at all. It was great!

Nowadays every little thing is planned and supervised. They have tight schedules and are always going from one event to the other. There's no room for the petty lawbreaking we knew and loved so well. It makes me wonder if we're going to see much more serious rebellion later on. There's no opportunity to feel the boundaries between adult supervision and the limits of the socially permissible.
 
Their children can watch Britney bump-and-grid like a cheap stripper; Their children can listen to explitive ladden music; Their children can watch the bikini-clad sexploitation of MTV all damn day.

But god forbid they be exposed to guns!

That's the damn truth.

That said, my 2 year old boy loves playing shooting games with me on XBOX (all he knows how to do is press the fire button, but he's learning!) or playing with his scaled-down MP5 or M9. Actually, he's got a toy S&W knockoff that I play with more than he does.

He even has pretty good trigger discipline.
 
Titan6 -
In Arkansas, an 8-year-old boy was punished for pointing a cooked chicken strip at another student and saying "pow, pow, pow."

You got to be careful, that chicken finger could be loaded with salmonella. :what:
 
my wife returned the swords with strict guidelines about where and when pirate fights, ninja attacks and Jedi rescues could occur.

The correct guidlines is anywhere.:neener: Never know when your gonna get jumped by storm troopers.

Very good article. If I have kids I will definetly play with toy guns, when I was little my grandfather fashioned wooden toy guns by tracing out his real guns, same with sworeds and knives.

Nowadays every little thing is planned and supervised. They have tight schedules and are always going from one event to the other. There's no room for the petty lawbreaking we knew and loved so well. It makes me wonder if we're going to see much more serious rebellion later on. There's no opportunity to feel the boundaries between adult supervision and the limits of the socially permissible.

I have noticed this with some of my friends who have kids, activites are great but so is free time.
 
When I was a child on Halloween, I dressed as an MP and carried a very realistic 1911 plastic gun - now as an adult I bought a real one - about 50 years later.

1. I'm getting old
2. I was traumatized in my youth by the gun, such that I went on to do terrible things like become an educator, write books and articles for respected journals and pay lots of taxes.

Sigh - good article!
 
Good article, its not just the boys who like toy guns though. As a single parent of a two year old daughter I couldn't have been more happy when I found a cap gun just like the one I had as a kid only with pink grips.
 
Nancy Carlsson-Paige, co-author of the book "Who's Calling the Shots?: How to Respond Effectively to Children's Fascination with War Play and War Toys," sees it differently. These toys are not the product of natural childhood fantasies, she says, but "really manifest the ideas of adults -- of marketing people" who push toys that reflect an adult imagination more than a child's. Yet Carlsson-Paige, who has long studied the effect of violence in the media on the social development of children, says it is true that guns and war games are a way of helping some children process the plethora of violent images on television, in videos, in the news.

That's Matt Damon's mother talking there. She must be feeling guilty seeing how her boy is one of those visual violence traffickers.:D
 
Great article. One thing I noticed with my kids, little girls like guns too, they just play with them in a different way. My girls all loved water guns, rubberband guns, disc guns, anything they could use to hit a target. However, they did not like to play shoot 'em up with their friends.

What Cosmoline said about kids being over-supervised is very true. I never even see sandlot baseball anymore, every sport except basketball is now played under strict adult supervision. What a shame.
 
good read..

That being said....MY soon to be 7 year old son has and arsenal of plastic look alikes and sci-fi inspired blasters fit to re-invade the European continent with. He does have some basic rules...and he follows them. Parents MUST raise their children. Without their guidance we wind up "ZERO_ABSOLUTE_NO_FREAKIN_TOLERANCE_OF_ANYTHING"

Was that chicken-finger registered???? Just wondered.
 
The key is not to let people like that set the agenda, or dictate the socially normative behavior.

If the bigoted mom wants to pull her kids, while loudly proclaiming her alleged virtue for all to hear, let her, and with equal volume make light of it. "sheesh, some people sure are intollerant, aren't they?" (or somesuch)

That's critical, lest the silence become some sort of assent or validation of their position.

WE have nothing to be ashamed of, or to be defensive about. It is THEY who are the aberrations, and its time we started treating them thus.
 
NOT teaching kids about guns is just as dangerous as NOT teaching them about sex.

In my experience, it's the same parents that are not "tolerant" about "dangerous" guns but want to hand out "safe" sex condoms at school.
 
I am horrified whenever I see a parent use a knife in front of a child, especially at a restaurant. I stand up and shout "I don't want my children exposed to knives!"
 
While on one hand I'm deeply troubled by the direction our public is going...

It's just a moment in time, no teachers or laws or regulations or bans are going to erase what we are (genetically) as humans. They can try to stop boys from playing cops and robbers, but they'll never be able to stop the behavior, and they'll never be able to make a world that doesn't require good men to be violent.
They are the ones that are going to have to adjust to reality, not the other way around...
 
And I'm sure these parents wouldn't dare drink a glass of wine in front of their children either, right? Can't have them exposed to alcohol now can we? Give me a break.
 
I am horrified whenever I see a parent use a knife in front of a child, especially at a restaurant. I stand up and shout "I don't want my children exposed to knives!"

Hahahahahaha!!!!! I've got to try that in a Blue state...
 
The knife comment is excellent.

I wonder if these model parents also keep newspapers, radio and tv away from their impressionable youth. Come to think of it, most sports involve violence and/or territoriality. I guess sports are a no-no, too.
 
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