Do you allow kids to point toy guns at people?

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I remember a how a friend's dad taught him the difference between real/ not real. When the kid was 8 or so he got an airsoft rifle, AK variant to be exact. Looked real, save for the orange tip. The dad took my friend out to a field, set up a large soda-filled glass bottle on a stand and told my friend to take aim with his airsoft AK and fire. The kid did so, bb's bouncing off in all directions with the bottle unharmed. Once the kid's mag was used up, his dad took out his real AK which looked mostly the same and fired a single round into the bottle, demolishing it. I still remember the look on my friend's face when he told me this story.
 
I lucked out on this one (or did I). My daughter is now 4 and I've been on her about gunsafety from the first time she showed an interest in a firearm. I'd started her with a cap gun that was treated the same way as "Daddy's Gun". When she finally did get a toy gun she went on auto pilot and proceeded to treat it as if it were real. I tried to explain to her it was "just a toy" and ok to play with it. She told me "Daddy, No gun is a toy". I was proud and crushed at the same time. Any fear that I had that I hadn't stressed enough the imortance of gun safety was laid to rest yet I feel as if I robbed her of a little fun that is part of being a kid. Don't get me wrong she enjoys her toy gun but it's fired at only a specified target in her room. My point is we as shooters have an obligation to teach our kids about guns and their safe handling but I guess there is a line that could be killjoy for a toy.
 
When I was younger we use to play "guns" with my buddy and his dad who was a Pararescueman with the AF. We pointed guns at each other and pretended we were shooting each other. Best times when I was younger, we never EVER did get a "shot" off at him.
 
My kids are three and eight. They have toy guns, both realistic looking and obvious fantasy toys. Even among the latter, there are only a very few selected guns that can be pointed at others and even then requires prior cooperation of the other person. I am unmerciful in enforcement. My son violated this by pointed a "non-approved" toy gun at a passing car. The toy was broken and so was my sons basckside, right there in the yard.

Squirt and nerf guns are allowed to be pointed, but again, with prior agreement by the two people involved.

So far, my son (daughter is only three) has no problems with confusion between real/toy or the rules. He has his own .22 that we shoot on a regular basis.
 
Yes. Little boys play cowboys and indians, they play war, they play cops and robbers. I suppose before guns, they played as knights and barbarians, or pirates and sailors. Toys are toys. Real guns are real guns. Your job as a parent is to make sure your children can distinguish between what it real and what is not. If they can't, then pointing a toy gun at another person is the least of your concerns.

I've been shooting real guns since before I ever played with toy guns. I was taught to shoot a rifle at age four. I didn't even have a friend my age to play with at that age, and my brother was only 1 year old. My parents did a pretty good job of making sure that I could tell fiction from non-fiction and I understood that completely different rules applied to the real thing.

I don't see how you can expect to raise a boy into a functional young man while denying him the essential experiences of his childhood, and I think it is utterly ridiculous to say you can't point a toy gun at another person. Do you also make them observe all traffic laws when they are playing with toy cars? I mean come on guys. Be reasonable. Boys need to be boys in order to turn into men. Some of you guys sound like you're raising a bunch of disfunctional sissies.
 
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MTMilitiaman made several good points, that I agree with.

As a child we played with toy guns that we pointed at each other. If you think about it all toys are meant to copy adult behavior. We played out numerous battles from WWII, because we wanted to be like our fathers. None of us ever pointed a real gun at each other, for the same reason's that we knew that you couldn't do the same things as the three stooges.

I think that anyone with a competent mind can easily tell the difference between play and reality.
 
I'd hate to see what some of THR's members would do after realizing most kids with higher IQs use their imaginations to do supposedly offensive things.


I could just picture one of THRs try-hard members doing a tactical flip out of the way when a kid says, "I'm squishing your head!" while pinching the air in front of his eye.
 
I guess my post has been invisible to a few on here, and rather than repeat it I will summarize it in that I once came to within a second of shooting a boy who was "just playing" with his toy gun.

Here are a few related news stories that come up on a google search:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1855490/posts

http://laist.com/2010/12/18/teen_shot_by_lapd_pellet_gun_mistak.php

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/11/local/me-palmdale11

http://articles.cnn.com/2003-01-08/justice/ctv.toy.guns_1_toy-guns-cap-gun-fake-gun?_s=PM:LAWour children runningoy guns - around with t
(Note; included in this article are a number of incidents where adults were involved, some with criminal intent and obviously not included as part of my issue with this)

Sure, uncommon. However, those of you that think you can have your child or children simply know the difference between a toy gun and a real one, and point the toys at anyone they please - don't complain if they are ever shot dead under such circumstances.
 
I was taught the difference between real and toy guns at an early age and we were allowed to "shoot" each other only when we were playing. In other words you didn't go around the house shooting people as they walk past, but especially you never, EVER pointed a toy gun at a girl.
I got my bottom blistered one time for "shooting" santa as he walked down the street.(not implying santa was a girl :)
Most of the toy gun incidents that I have heard of were caused by a irresponsible LEO.

We MUST be manly men and playing guns is just one way to ensure our boys keep their pants pulled up.
 
I grew up around guns, and also grew up around toy guns. We knew the difference, and knew which ones we could "play" with, and which ones we had to respect. Teaching kids about the difference between toys and tools is just as important today as it was when all of us were growing up.

Now, as an adult and a police officer, I have some additional concerns about how kids may play with toy guns these days. Toy guns often look very real these days, and therein lies the problem. I think that kids really need to understand boundaries, even when dealing with toy guns. People have been shot due to misidentification of guns, and it is becoming increasingly easy to make a real gun look like a toy, or make a toy gun look like a real gun. As such, I think some safety considerations need to be taken into account before kids play with toy guns, especially in more densely populated areas.

I don't have children in my house, but I'd probably lay down some pretty strict and simple boundaries on the use of toy guns if I did have kids here:

1) No toy guns will by used if they don't have the orange tip affixed, or something else that identifies them as a toy.

2) The toys will not be pointed at anyone who isn't involved in playing with the toys (ex: you don't point them at passing cars, neighbors, police officers, etc).

I'm employed in a rough area of town, and I've seen toy guns routinely used in the commission of crimes. The point I'm trying to make is that many toy guns are convincing enough that banks have been robbed with them, and people have threatened others with them. So, I think an important safety concern for children these days is to make sure that their toy guns aren't ever used in a manner which might allow them to be mistaken for a real gun, which could place your child in real danger.

I've fortunately not directly dealt with a 'mistaken identity' toy gun situation involving a younger child, but we have had multiple officer involved shootings in my department in which a suspect produced a fake gun in an attempt to intimidate an officer, or perhaps even in an attempt to commit suicide by cop. Suffice it to say, a reasonably realistic looking fake gun can get someone shot just as easily as a real gun.

Kids having fun with their toy guns is perfectly acceptable. But, teaching kids safe ways to play is probably worth considering!


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Most of the toy gun incidents that I have heard of were caused by a irresponsible LEO.

Is a LEO irresponsible for defending themselves against what they believe is a realistic threat to their safety? I had a guy try to pull a toy gun on me during a traffic stop, and he nearly paid with his life... in the split second that I saw his hand going towards the "gun" in his lap, I drew my gun, and his hands started to go up without the gun. He survived the encounter, but barely. Had he actually picked up that gun, he'd have been shot. The guy was a known gang member, who had previously been convicted of a violent felony. Why he was carrying a fake gun in his lap is still unknown to me, but I'd presume he was using it either to intimidate rival gang members (he was on the wrong side of the tracks), or to rob people. He claimed he just liked the toy (yeah, right).

All of that notwithstanding, I think you and I have the same point to make: a toy gun can get you shot if you mishandle it.
 
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Kids having fun with their toy guns is perfectly acceptable. But, teaching kids safe ways to play is probably worth considering!

I'd take that a step further.

As a child growing up in the fifties we pointed guns at the other kids that we were playing with. Even the thought of pointing one at a police officer is shocking to me.

It sounds to me as if teaching children how to play with toy guns, is just the tip of the iceberg.
 
Is a LEO irresponsible for defending themselves against what they believe is a realistic threat to their safety? I had a guy try to pull a toy gun on me during a traffic stop, and he nearly paid with his life... in the split second that I saw his hand going towards the "gun" in his lap, I drew my gun, and his hands started to go up without the gun. He survived the encounter, but barely. Had he actually picked up that gun, he'd have been shot. The guy was a known gang member, who had previously been convicted of a violent felony. Why he was carrying a fake gun in his lap is still unknown to me, but I'd presume he was using it either to intimidate rival gang members (he was on the wrong side of the tracks), or to rob people. He claimed he just liked the toy (yeah, right).

All of that notwithstanding, I think you and I have the same point to make: a toy gun can get you shot if you mishandle it.


>comparing a known gangster with a toy gun to a child playing with a gun.


I can't stop laughing at the absurdity of the comparison!
My sides, they are moving on their own!
 
Sure, uncommon. However, those of you that think you can have your child or children simply know the difference between a toy gun and a real one, and point the toys at anyone they please - don't complain if they are ever shot dead under such circumstances.

Im pretty sure your first few examples knew exactly what they were... You have pre-teens, teens late at night running from the law. While unfortunate outcomes, it seems there are more parenting issues at play than "toy" guns.
 
Kevin: No I'm talking about the the LEO's (it has happened a couple times) that see a gun, freak out, and start shooting without waiting to see if it is a threat or not. Several years ago I read an article about an LEO who shot a mother carrying home a California orange and green plastic toy gun she had gotten for her son. Sorry, none of the incidents were real recent so I don't have links.
 
No,

My son is now 15, and is well past toy guns...but to answer your question no. I see no gun, toy, shoots a foam "bullet", or anything else as something to be pointed at someone.

Set up card board cutouts if you want to shoot your nerf guns at stuff.

Safety is something that does not start too early.
 
No,

My son is now 15, and is well past toy guns...but to answer your question no. I see no gun, toy, shoots a foam "bullet", or anything else as something to be pointed at someone.

Set up card board cutouts if you want to shoot your nerf guns at stuff.

Safety is something that does not start too early.

Some people need to learn the difference between safety and reality. If you really believe that your kid has never played army, or cops and robbers, or cowboys and indians, or humans and aliens, etc, then you never watched your kid on the school playground or at his friend's house.
 
I don't let my 8 yr son have any toy guns. There are real guns in my house, although secure. My fear is that he will find an unsecure gun a friends house.

I was taught the same as a child. I lived in Africa and my dad kept a loaded R1 (FN-FAL) in the trunk of our car and my mother had a shotgun in pantry. We would fire off a bren gun on the weekends for fun, so I got my fill with that.
 
Depends on who. My 11 year old has lots of toy guns, and lots of friends to play "war" or "cops and robbers" with. Friends being the operative word. I think it is rude to point them at adults, and dangerous to point them at police. As long as it is mutual play there is no harm in it. However, any projectile toys like air soft must heed the 4 rules.
 
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