My First Encounter with a "Fudd"

[BullfrogKen]

oldfool


The evening right before I took a very contentious action (that I won't go into in public), my Vice President's wife told me she was worried about what the Bullseye shooters might do if I pissed them off too much. "They have guns, you know," she said.

"Yes, they do," I replied, "but you do understand they're Bullseye shooters. I can get up from my chair and be out the door before they're ready to break the shot."

 

[oneounceload]

My primary focus is shotguns for sporting clays and hunting. Many of the folks I shoot with do not approve of EBR's, handguns, or other similar items. They not only don't own or shoot them, they don't think "regular folks" need those types of guns. One person is an attorney previously from Chicago. While I can understand where they are coming from, I don't agree with them.

That being said, having read some posts from people on various forums and the either naivete or downright stupidity they exhibit, it makes me wonder sometimes whether a basic intelligence requirement might not be a bad idea - and I am VERY pro-gun, so I can see where an anti reading these sites or someone on the fence could be swayed to be against certain types of guns.

With freedom comes responsibility, and many folks fail in that regard and those few seem to give the rest of us a bad name which gets played up very nicely in the press.

Are those folks FUDDS?....Doubt it - my definition is someone who likes the older style of things and is not impressed with the current equipment out there - whether firearms, electronics, etc.......In many ways, I can fit that description....

 

[oldfool]

my definition is someone who likes the older style of things and is not impressed with the current equipment out there

that's my flavor, too, but it doesn't mean I sneer at people who prefer "other"
The Walter Mitty's get me a tad more cranked than a gentleman ought to get cranked, but that is is very different thing than how the term "Fudd" got coined

I have my "woobies", and so does everybody else, and that's A-OK
it is a gun forum, it is not a random slice of Americana, and if you enjoy talking firearms, that just goes with it
given the limited demographic, it is remarkably diverse
and no matter how loud my mouth, I never once learned anything from myself

the "my dawg is better-n-your dawg 'cause he eats Ken'll Ration" sure can get real tiresome
but every now and then I find myself trying some of their flavor and it don't always taste all that bad

me, I just can't get that worked up over folks who prefer their own flavor
(even if I do have an allergic reaction to "Rambo & Friends")
old habits get to be old habits (like "old rules") for real good reasons
and "new & improved" is mostly BS.. but not always

being an old guy I know a lot... but the list of things I do not know is infinite
and THAT is what winds my watch too tight with "fudds"
(and Rambo)

 

[hso]

They not only don't own or shoot them, they don't think "regular folks" need those types of guns.

As long as they think that the government should not, nor anyone else, deny me the right to have them they're fine. I have friends that only like 1911s and those that only like FALs and others that only like shotguns and other that only like finely figured wood stocked rifles with brightly polished blued steel. Vive la différence!

I can see where an anti reading these sites or someone on the fence could be swayed to be against certain types of guns.

Agreed. Often we're our own worst enemy. The internet allows people that would never act out some behavior talk as if they're eager to.

 

[gunsandreligion]

That sounds like a lot of politicians, "I firmly believe in the 2nd amend Except..."

 

[oneounceload]

that's my flavor, too, but it doesn't mean I sneer at people who prefer "other"
The Walter Mitty's get me a tad more cranked than a gentleman ought to get cranked, but that is is very different thing than how the term "Fudd" got coined

I think we agree more than we don't

I could care less what folks want to shoot, as long as they are responsible, possess a modicum of common sense, and don't do dumb things that get blown out of proportion by the press making us all look bad - but that's just me.

Is there an EBR and a few tupperware guns in the safe? Sure...but when I reach in there, I tend to drag out the walnut and blue.......

We need to make sure we don't lose the types of folks I mentioned above to go against us on certain types - that's what the antis want - divide and conquer....I don't believe that is the definition of a FUDD.

 

[NG VI]

I'm always suprised when my hunter friends think my AR is full auto.

It really blows me away when my Guard and Guard/former Marine friends think my rifle is broken because the safety "doesn't go all the way back". Really? I know I have explained this to you guys more than once, you should understand the difference between the M16A2/M4 and an AR 15, especially given that you have fired this particular one before.

I love it when my buddy says things like "single shot shotguns are retarded, they are completely useless".

Really? Can you understand that some people use guns for non-tactical purposes sometimes? Many people even? Maybe most people?

So I guess I'm neither a fudd nor by any means as one-way about guns as some people I know.

 

[Gunfighter123]

My First Encounter with a "Fudd"

I'd guess you don't post much in Shotgun Forums

 

[6_gunner]

It sounds like I may have misspoken by labeling that guy a "Fudd." I always thought of a Fudd as somebody who liked their rifle and shotgun for hunting, but who wanted to ban whatever guns they didn't personally have a use for. I'd heard that term used in reference to Jim Zumbo after his EBR rant, and I guess it acquired a more negative connotation for me.

If a "Fudd" is just somebody who prefers old school designs, then I probably qualify. Note my revolver-related name.

It sounds like people such as my friend are unfortunately common in the gun community. I guess all we can do is counter their misinformation and fear with facts and experience. If we can't "convert" all the antis, we can at least try to prevent them from spreading false information.

 

[thorazine]

My First Encounter with a "Fudd"

Aren't there are few lingering around here on THR?

 

[LeontheProfessional]

This is what I think of when I think of a FUDD.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fudd

 

[Ford]

My response would have been,
No reason at all to have a bolt action rifle to hunt with. Why do you need a weapon that is that accurate and fast to fire.
Everything but a single shot should be outlawed. Scopes should be outlawed. Scopes are for snipers not hunters. Scopes give an unfair advantage to a hunter. I mean you already have a gun. Real hunters should be able to use iron sights.
A civilian that has a high powered accurate bolt action rifle with a scope that is capable of long distance shots is a huge liability to the United States. If Charles Whitman and Lee Harvey Oswald didn't have access to such destructive rifles perhaps their crimes would have never been committed.
See what I'm doing here

 

[gak]

In Canada we have the same problems. One example was a chap who was looking intently at rifles, but when I approached to help it turned out he was just waiting for someone to vent on:

"My dad had over 40 guns, but when he died I turned them all over to the cops to be melted down because no one needs guns anymore, we have supermarkets."

"People today can't shoot. When I hunted with my dad we could pile a box of bullets into one hole at 300 yards with iron sights. No one should be allowed to own a gun nowadays because they can't hit the side of a barn, they'll just end up shooting themselves or children because they're so dumb."

"Guns should all be single shot. If you ever need more than one bullet to kill any animal all of your guns should be taken away."

 

[Shung]

you should understand the difference between the M16A2/M4 and an AR 15,

side note.. an AR-15 can actually be a full-auto...

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

"My dad had over 40 guns, but when he died I turned them all over to the cops to be melted down because no one needs guns anymore, we have supermarkets."

"People today can't shoot. When I hunted with my dad we could pile a box of bullets into one hole at 300 yards with iron sights. No one should be allowed to own a gun nowadays because they can't hit the side of a barn, they'll just end up shooting themselves or children because they're so dumb."

"Guns should all be single shot. If you ever need more than one bullet to kill any animal all of your guns should be taken away."

Wow that makes me mad.

 

[ol' scratch]

From an earlier post from oneounceload my definition is someone who likes the older style of things and is not impressed with the current equipment out there

The older style of things? The firearms often demonized ARE older style. The AR15-1958, The AKM-1947, The blowback semi auto pistol- 100 years and counting. Machine guns are even over 100-years-old.

I think it is less about 'old' style and a perception that all semi autos are bad. My dad and I had a conversation about this one day in a duck blind. He told me he didn't really care about the AWB and other laws because he doesn't shoot those firearms. His favorite duck/goose gun is an Ithaca Mag 10. I told him the latest push seems to be against ALL semi autos. He said, "Well, if they come for THAT one, I will show them the business end of it." He has a different view of gun control now.

Those people who don't understand the need don't get it. It is the goal of antis to take them ALL away. If you help support some of their arguement, you are helping disarm all of us.

 

[Warhawk83]

Wait JUST a MINUTE, he is a target shooter that got to fire a weapon that he considered to be amazingly accurate. And he was ANGRY, that it was so accurate,so much so that no one should own such a thing so deadly.

If he really is a target shooter he should be trying to put two bullets in the same hole not bitching about a weapon being accurate.

:banghead:

 

[huntsman]

This is what I think of when I think of a FUDD.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fudd

Someone who constantly wears brown clothes with a hat that has a red stripe in the middle. This person may also like to hunt rabbits with an elepahnt gun and is not fond of tennis. Also see Elmer.

THAT'S IT

 

[W.E.G.]

I've heard that Jim Zumbo is not a fudd anymore.

Not all fools are stupid.

 

[oneounceload]

From an earlier post from oneounceload my definition is someone who likes the older style of things and is not impressed with the current equipment out there

The older style of things? The firearms often demonized ARE older style. The AR15-1958, The AKM-1947, The blowback semi auto pistol- 100 years and counting. Machine guns are even over 100-years-old

Those people who don't understand the need don't get it. It is the goal of antis to take them ALL away. If you help support some of their argument, you are helping disarm all of us

In case you didn't read all I wrote..............I have NO problem with anything folks want to shoot.....it is the younger definition of a FUDD that seems to lump everyone who doesn't own or believe in EBR's as a FUDD that I have a problem with. Having watched many of these new folks at the range - if it wasn't for my deep belief in the 2A, I'd be sending check to the Brady folks, because there are WAY too many folks with deadly weapons who don't have a clue which end to point where

 

[LeontheProfessional]

Someone who constantly wears brown clothes with a hat that has a red stripe in the middle. This person may also like to hunt rabbits with an elepahnt gun and is not fond of tennis. Also see Elmer.

THAT'S IT

I was referring to the first definition in there. The other definitions did not really seem to have much to do with what we are talking about.

 

[happygeek]

In case you didn't read all I wrote..............I have NO problem with anything folks want to shoot.....it is the younger definition of a FUDD that seems to lump everyone who doesn't own or believe in EBR's as a FUDD that I have a problem with. Having watched many of these new folks at the range - if it wasn't for my deep belief in the 2A, I'd be sending check to the Brady folks, because there are WAY too many folks with deadly weapons who don't have a clue which end to point where.

Heck, there's a LOT of people out there who shouldn't have access to deadly hunks of metal that weigh thousands of pounds and get hurled at 70 mph plus in all sorts of directions. I witnessed two of those people in an SUV just a couple hours ago. Sadly, mandatory licensing and registration seems to have utterly failed in stopping such negligent and/or malicious behavior while operating said deadly hunks of metal.

Ironically, the worst gun safety violations I've personally witnessed were in the military.

Pretty sure the guy citing Urban Dictionary was referring to this portion:

Slang term for a "casual" gun owner; eg; a person who typically only owns guns for hunting or shotgun sports and does not truly believe in the true premise of the second amendment. These people also generally treat owners/users of so called "non sporting" firearms like handguns or semiautomatic rifles with unwarranted scorn or contempt.

See sonny, all those pistols in that cabinet... all thems is good for is killin people." -Example of ignorant comment from a fudd at a local gun shop.

 

[arcticap]

IIRC, around the time that the assault weapons import ban was passed, a lot of NRA members quit the NRA because the NRA was fighting it and they didn't agree with the NRA's hard line stand.
And it was about that time that Pres. George Bush Sr. started it when he was said to have burned his NRA card in front of TV cameras.
The resulting decline in NRA membership took many years to recover from because of the "Archie Bunker" mentality and Archie Bunker was no liberal.
These folks just don't trust other people in general or the NRA.
They see the news and how some crazy individuals commit horrendous crimes with their guns.
Who's fault is it that they believe in what they believe?
Surely it's not always about educating them because it's about their outlook and philosphy and who they are.
Maybe it's better to not antagonize them then to try to change their mind.
They're often too well set in their ways.
It can be more productive to reach out and talk to someone who doesn't really have an opinion formed because after all, people are entitled to their opinions.
I certainly don't want anyone pestering me and trying to change my opinion.
It's folly to think that there's going to be 100% agreement on any political issue.
No one can deny that there's a small percentage of nuts that use these guns for crimes.
I don't want to butt heads with them.
I would rather concentrate on whatever we may have in common than on what we'll never have in common.
Then if they get to know you and respect you then something may be stirred in them if it's important that the issue ever becomes personalized and they won't verbally attack you over it just because they know you.
If people are afraid then that's their problem.
Once you get older you realize that there's all kinds of people in this world and some people will argue just for the sake if it.
I try not to call people derogatory names for any reason whether they're bullseye shooters or not because it's just not High Road and doesn't serve any noble purpose.
We have the law on our side for right now so I think that the tent is big enough that we can all live with our differences and make friends while not making waves. Making friends is better than making enemies and going out of one's way to challenge people unnecessarily can just rub some otherwise friendly folks the wrong way.

 

[goon]

OK...
So the AK was designed to put lots of bullets out there pretty quickly.
I agree... it was not designed with a "sporting purpose" in mind.
So what?

 

[Shung]

I think that the founding fathers never meant the 2nd amendment in a "sporting purpose" perspective... unless scaring wanabee tyrants is considered a sport..