My take on moa fmj ammo

[Bfh_auto]

I bought American eagle fmj bulk ammo and shot a dozen 3 shot groups. About half were moa. The ones that weren't were about 3 moa.
I then shot a 10 shot group with 7 of 10 in a half inch the other 3 shots shots made it a 3 moa group. I repeated this with the same results.
I then shot some 55gr vmax that truly shot moa.
My take is people either randomly select the right 3 cartridges, throw out flyers or call the best group.

 

[ontarget]

I only shoot 5 shot groups when I'm actually shooting for grouping and not just plinking. It is pretty rare with bulk ammo to get consistent moa groups without a flyer. I do concentrate on my sights and try to call each and every shot which is also helpful to identify the occasional flyer as the shooters fault rather than the ammo.

 

[HB]

Its been a decade or so since I took stats, however for my final project I actually shot a buckmark vs a single six. Can’t remember the specifics but I believe I used a 30 shot group

 

[someguy2800]

Your supposed to shoot 3 and call whichever is farthest away a flyer.

 

[Bfh_auto]

Your supposed to shoot 3 and call whichever is farthest away a flyer.

I have been watching a lot more YouTube since my son was born. The strange ways of measuring and testing for accuracy are amazing.
Some shoot 5 and measure 3.
Why aren't the targets I see on here covered in stickies?

 

[jmr40]

When ammo is cheap I usually shoot 5 shot groups. With 223, 9mm, or 22 RF, I shoot 5. With more expensive centerfire rounds that I either buy or hand load for 3 shots tell me what I need to know. But I'd never trust a single 3 shot group. For that matter not a single 5 or even 10 shot group. Shooting 5 groups of 3 shots tells me exactly the same thing as shooting 3 groups of 5 shots. It is 15 shots either way.

What I'm looking for is consistency over time. I have rifles that consistently shoot 3 rounds under 1" over multiple range trips spread out throughout the year. I often get groups closer to 1/2", but as long as it keeps them under 1" I'm happy.

 

[fpgt72]

IMHO factory ammo is just that factory, and the "match" is only a little better then the "normal, bulk" whatever. If you really want to get into making your holes just where you want them you are going to need to roll your own. Taylor that specific cartridge to your rifle....the results can really open your eyes and make you go wow....this gun can do that.

I have been on a carcano kick for about the last year or so. And rolling different loadings up COAL all that jazz....just total different recipes all the way around...some good some not so good. But with the factory ammo I have laid my grubby little mits on was minute of basket ball at 100 yards....with my own loadings I am down to minute of softball at 100, and this is across several rifles, and what seems to work in one works in the others.

This is really fun....but back to your point. It is made mass production style, there are going to be differences....all the guys I talk to that play the long distance games roll their own, and they take anal to a new level with loading ammo.

 

[Bfh_auto]

IMHO factory ammo is just that factory, and the "match" is only a little better then the "normal, bulk" whatever. If you really want to get into making your holes just where you want them you are going to need to roll your own. Taylor that specific cartridge to your rifle....the results can really open your eyes and make you go wow....this gun can do that.

I have been on a carcano kick for about the last year or so. And rolling different loadings up COAL all that jazz....just total different recipes all the way around...some good some not so good. But with the factory ammo I have laid my grubby little mits on was minute of basket ball at 100 yards....with my own loadings I am down to minute of softball at 100, and this is across several rifles, and what seems to work in one works in the others.

This is really fun....but back to your point. It is made mass production style, there are going to be differences....all the guys I talk to that play the long distance games roll their own, and they take anal to a new level with loading ammo.

I do load my own. I just bought a box of 556 fmjs because I was out of town. It was an eye opener. I don't see how anyone buys it.

 

[someguy2800]

What I think is hilarious is the number of the number of AR shooters I have talked to that say they only buy 885 or whatever FMJ ammo by the case, and then will claim that their rifle is sub moa.

 

[Bartojc]

What I think is hilarious is the number of the number of AR shooters I have talked to that say they only buy 885 or whatever FMJ ammo by the case, and then will claim that their rifle is sub moa.

For sure. I guess you can claim whatever you want if it is yours and you are talking to someone who doesn't know better.

-Jeff

 

[Riomouse911]

The only true-blue sub MOA AR I had was a Colt Accurized Rifle shooting Federal match ammo.

Off the bench, if I was shooting slow enough to keep the 24” bull barrel from overheating it would put 10 straight into an inch at 100. 5 shots could regularly be covered by a fingernail, the first 3 I would fire were usually a cloverleaf at worst. If a better shot than me was behind the stock I will bet those groups would be even smaller.

My other ARs aren’t nearly that accurate... and even less accurate with bulk ammo.