pecosriver
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NAA
Here's mine. ( Lazerlyte)
.22 mag.,of course.
Here's mine. ( Lazerlyte)
.22 mag.,of course.
NAA Mini Revolver?
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I'll be darned. Y'know, I haven't given much thought to a .22mag mini revolver for deep concealed carry, but this thread alone has convinced me that I should give NAA a try. Seems like a cool little pocket gun! 
My only concern, though, is the reliability (or lack thereof) of rimfire ammo. If you're counting on this puppy to save your life, the round needs to go bang. What is the most reliable magnum round for these NAA's?
My only concern, though, is the reliability (or lack thereof) of rimfire ammo. If you're counting on this puppy to save your life, the round needs to go bang. What is the most reliable magnum round for these NAA's?Also, this could be a great carry gun for my wife who is an EXCELLENT shot with the .38, but she would also like to carry the NAA mini when she is using a small purse, etc. Again, though, the reliability of the ammo has me a bit concerned, so any feedback/suggestions on this would be greatly appreciated.
Bula
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I recently picked one up. .22 wmr with the same holster clip as Rooster's. I really need to give it more serious consideration. That latest Hornady load, clocked 1038 fps from a 1 7/8 SW snub. 45 grainer went thru just under 10" of gell and opened up nicely.
MCgunner
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I've had trouble with Hornady 30 grain spirepoint going bang every time. CCI, NOT a problem. I'm going to get some of the 45 grain critical defense soon as they start making it available and my LGS gets some. He said to check back in a few weeks. I always test before carry.
The CCI maximag 40 grain JHP works fantastic in my Black Widow and it shoots to POA and is very accurate, shockingly accurate. I cycle my rounds out of my .22LR once a week, especially in the summer, due to pocket sweat contamination. It ALWAYS goes bang, this way. I save the ammo that's removed for range use as I shoot a lot of .22 and own a lot of .22s, both handgun and rifle. .22 has been my favorite caliber for just shooting since I was the age of 9. I've found that in 3 to 4 weeks, I'll start getting misfires if I don't do this ammo rotation in the NAA when constantly carried, as it is, in a pocket. It's very reliable with fress Federal 38 grain HP. The Federal is quite accurate, why I favor it to CCI which is about as reliable as .22 Rimfire gets.
Anyway, if that critical defense proves unreliable, I'll just stick with proven CCI maximag. I'll shoot up the Hornady in my Remington 597 magnum.
The CCI maximag 40 grain JHP works fantastic in my Black Widow and it shoots to POA and is very accurate, shockingly accurate. I cycle my rounds out of my .22LR once a week, especially in the summer, due to pocket sweat contamination. It ALWAYS goes bang, this way. I save the ammo that's removed for range use as I shoot a lot of .22 and own a lot of .22s, both handgun and rifle. .22 has been my favorite caliber for just shooting since I was the age of 9. I've found that in 3 to 4 weeks, I'll start getting misfires if I don't do this ammo rotation in the NAA when constantly carried, as it is, in a pocket. It's very reliable with fress Federal 38 grain HP. The Federal is quite accurate, why I favor it to CCI which is about as reliable as .22 Rimfire gets.
Anyway, if that critical defense proves unreliable, I'll just stick with proven CCI maximag. I'll shoot up the Hornady in my Remington 597 magnum.
roostercogburn:
i have that same grip and love it. you can flip it out of your pocket, james bond style.
im wondering how much velocity you can get out of one of these little guns with a .22 mag. because the bullet is twice the length of the barrel, i would guess that it would be like shooting a .22lr out of a rifle.
i have that same grip and love it. you can flip it out of your pocket, james bond style.
im wondering how much velocity you can get out of one of these little guns with a .22 mag. because the bullet is twice the length of the barrel, i would guess that it would be like shooting a .22lr out of a rifle.
MCgunner
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The 40 grain CCI Maximag chronographs a bit less than 1100 fps out of my 2" barrel Black Widow. I get near 1150 fps from the 30 grain Hornady, when it decides to ignite.
Oh, go the NAA web page and follow the links to chronograph data.
Oh, go the NAA web page and follow the links to chronograph data.
MCgunner
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NAA makes a fine product and has excellent customer service. If you're serious about carrying a Mini as an "only" gun in warmer climes, look into the Ranger, their break-top model that just came out recently (very few are in circulation, ~2-300ish by now probably). They are very expensive compared to the standard minis ($500+ vs <$200), and they're chambered in .22WMR only; there are no .22LR conversion cylinders available (yet).
They are, however, insanely easier to reload. Yes, as a BUG or "shoot-n-flee" gun, reloading your Mini means you made a drastic tactical mistake, but in the case where it's all you've got on you, having a reload or two is handy. You don't need to disassemble the gun and poke the empties out with the cylinder pin, just half-cock, crack the top and give it a flick/shake. Two reloads will fit on a speed strip. This also makes range practice less of a hassle.
Also, they're just cool.
They are, however, insanely easier to reload. Yes, as a BUG or "shoot-n-flee" gun, reloading your Mini means you made a drastic tactical mistake, but in the case where it's all you've got on you, having a reload or two is handy. You don't need to disassemble the gun and poke the empties out with the cylinder pin, just half-cock, crack the top and give it a flick/shake. Two reloads will fit on a speed strip. This also makes range practice less of a hassle.
Also, they're just cool.
bigfatdave
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9mm+, .22wmr is generally a lot more durable than .22lr/l/s for a number of reasons, don't freak out about "the dreaded rimfire reliability" because the problem is actually "cheaply seated heeled bullet reliability" ... and wmr doesn't use the heeled bullet design.
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And you're right,m most of the power of .22wmr ammo goes to the obnoxiously loud BANG and not to added velocity.
But any extra speed is a good thing, it isn't negligible, and it is worth it to use the magnum cylinder.
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And NAA has the answer, dig around on their site, they posted real numbers.skipbo32 said:
And you're right,m most of the power of .22wmr ammo goes to the obnoxiously loud BANG and not to added velocity.
But any extra speed is a good thing, it isn't negligible, and it is worth it to use the magnum cylinder.
My Baby
Bought this in the 1970`s. One of the first models after the outside cylinder latch models. The outside latch model broke quickly and the dealer just reached under the counter and gave me this one in exchange, no paper work ..nada. The good old days even for Maryland. This .22short has after market rubber grips cause the plastic ones cracked under the punishing recoil!! The holster has a belt loop on the back also, hand made by yours truly. .
Bought this in the 1970`s. One of the first models after the outside cylinder latch models. The outside latch model broke quickly and the dealer just reached under the counter and gave me this one in exchange, no paper work ..nada. The good old days even for Maryland. This .22short has after market rubber grips cause the plastic ones cracked under the punishing recoil!! The holster has a belt loop on the back also, hand made by yours truly. .
wnycollector
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My wife likes my NAA mini also...and that scares me. The last time she took a shine to one of my revolvers I lost a security six snubby
The upside is that I could slap some pink grips on my current NAA mini for her and then pick up a black widow for daddy
I'm getting ~925fps with CCI 40gr TMJ and Armscor 40gr JSP out of my 1 1/8" 22 mag.
MCgunner
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The new top break is neat, but way out of what I'm willing to pay and I figure I wanna watch it, anyway, being new. The hinged frame might have some bugs. I solve the reload problem by carrying TWO minis. I have a third, but I haven't carried THREE at one time. The third one is the muzzle loading super companion. It's way nifty, too, and powerful when loaded with 2 grains Bullseye and a 30 grain NAA conical. All three of my NAAs ride in holster grips. Wonder if that new top break would work with a holster grip? I really prefer the holster grip.
Yes, it should. They accept all the magnum frame grips.
First Big Foot
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Thought I would tell you that I have had a Black Widow for about 20 years, and love it. Purchased the WMR cylinder as an afterthought, so had to send the pistol in to get it fitted. Worth every penny.
You can store the cylinders in plastic 35mm film cans. A little piece of fluffy foam in the bottom keeps it from shaking/rattling. The can gets upended over the base end so when I pour the cylinder out it doesn't dump all the rounds on the floor, then with thumb over the bullet end turn it upright, and push cap on.
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My wife likes my NAA mini also...and that scares me. The last time she took a shine to one of my revolvers I lost a security six snubby The upside is that I could slap some pink grips on my current NAA mini for her and then pick up a black widow for daddy
You can store the cylinders in plastic 35mm film cans. A little piece of fluffy foam in the bottom keeps it from shaking/rattling. The can gets upended over the base end so when I pour the cylinder out it doesn't dump all the rounds on the floor, then with thumb over the bullet end turn it upright, and push cap on.
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My wife likes my NAA mini also...and that scares me. The last time she took a shine to one of my revolvers I lost a security six snubby The upside is that I could slap some pink grips on my current NAA mini for her and then pick up a black widow for daddy
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71Commander
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I bought the Wasp in Nov. as a birthday present to myself. All I can say is shoot it enough until you learn how to grip correctly. The SOBin edge on the cylinder cut my thumb from the recoil. I was shooting the 22 mag.
wnycollector
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The FFL who does all of my gun transfers is also a gun writer for gunweek.com Last time I was at his shop, I checked out the ranger that he had to review...it was spectacular! The build quality was awesome, more like a swiss watch than handgun. I see him next weekend to pickup a new AR lower so I'm going to try to weasel an invite to shoot it with him
MCgunner
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The little percussion super companion is actually a better carry IMHO than my cartridge guns from the aspect of reloads. I bought a spare cylinder for it for 40 bucks, drop in, no fitting. I load the spare and if I need a reload, I do have to pull the pin, but no fumbling with cartridges, just a cylinder swap.
But, I really feel better with the Black Widow because it's more accurate, friggin' service gun accurate, 3.5" at 25 yards accurate. It's got a longer sight radius plus REAL sights, Novaks. And, a New York reload beats a cylinder swap OR a break top IMHO. Now, were I to really get into this mini thing, when I carried the BW, I could back it up with the super companion and the spare cylinder, but let's don't get silly. Tis a thought, though.
But, I really feel better with the Black Widow because it's more accurate, friggin' service gun accurate, 3.5" at 25 yards accurate. It's got a longer sight radius plus REAL sights, Novaks. And, a New York reload beats a cylinder swap OR a break top IMHO. Now, were I to really get into this mini thing, when I carried the BW, I could back it up with the super companion and the spare cylinder, but let's don't get silly.
Tis a thought, though.doc540
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I carried the .22LR model for years.
Added the foldging grip and put velcro on it to keep it from slipping from my pocket.
I just became like a pocket knife after a while.
A few years ago I upgraded to the .22WMR.
It ain't optimum, but it's better'n a set of car keys in my fist.
Added the foldging grip and put velcro on it to keep it from slipping from my pocket.
I just became like a pocket knife after a while.
A few years ago I upgraded to the .22WMR.
It ain't optimum, but it's better'n a set of car keys in my fist.
Trying to decide between 22lr and 22mag for one of these. I need a deep concealment gun, and these seem perfect.
Looking at the numbers, it seems like the hottest 22mag loads give you a couple hundred more fps at similar weights out of these barrels.
It kind of seems to me like these guns are (obviously) a last resort anyway, and both depend on either the attacker being scared that there is a gun or you making a good shot.
So, I wonder if you have to make a good shot anyway, does 22mag really make much difference more than 22lr? If the benefit is only marginal, I would prefer to get the 22lr, then I wouldn't have to stock up on another caliber that I don't currently have (trying to minimize calibers as much as possible).
So, what do you all think; is the couple hundred fps from the mag really going to make a difference over the 22lr?
Looking at the numbers, it seems like the hottest 22mag loads give you a couple hundred more fps at similar weights out of these barrels.
It kind of seems to me like these guns are (obviously) a last resort anyway, and both depend on either the attacker being scared that there is a gun or you making a good shot.
So, I wonder if you have to make a good shot anyway, does 22mag really make much difference more than 22lr? If the benefit is only marginal, I would prefer to get the 22lr, then I wouldn't have to stock up on another caliber that I don't currently have (trying to minimize calibers as much as possible).
So, what do you all think; is the couple hundred fps from the mag really going to make a difference over the 22lr?
MCgunner
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Oh, I don't know...
http://www.hornady.com/store/22-WMR-45gr-Critical-Defense
The .22 mag DOES have it all over the .22LR in penetration and this load will perform, i'm betting. I'd as soon carry it as .32ACP and the guns are even more compact than a Kel Tec P32.
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