NAA Mini Revolver?

[71Commander]

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2200 fps with over 300 ft lbs. it would be aprox 300-350 fps over a 22LR out of the NAA.

That's a sizable difference.

 

[nigelcorn]

2200 fps would be a sizeable difference, but I doubt it is getting that speed coming out of a 1 1/8" barrel. I would guess closer to 1000-1100, if that.

 

[bigfatdave]

Trying to decide between 22lr and 22mag for one of these.

Conversion cylinders are commonly available with the guns at purchase.
I wouldn't buy one without the conversion, in fact. (buying them after is a pain, it has to be fitted to the frame somehow)

Practice with LR, swap to WMR for 10-20 rounds, then carry with WMR, point of impact distances (at the effective range of a human-fired mini) are negligible.

 

[nigelcorn]

Yeah, that's a good point, I guess no reason not to get both cylinders (it is only like $30 more).

Sorry, dumb question to begin with.

 

[bigfatdave]

Sorry, dumb question to begin with.

Not that dumb, really.

Another note, the LR-only guns are a bit smaller in frame, and the short-only variant is the smallest one of all.

But if you can't conceal a magnum-frame NAA mini, you're either nude or entirely incompetent.

 

[71Commander]

The only problem that I have with my NAA is always walking all over the house saying "Now where did I lay that little SOB down this time".

 

[MCgunner]

You COULD find a way to hide one nude, i bet. Ain't gonna speculate, though.

I have both the magnum Black Widow and a standard .22LR. The Black Widlow also has a full 2" barrel. There is a bit of difference, but in a pocket that normally holds a .38 snub or 9x19 subcompact, the difference is moot.

I clip the BW to my shirt collar (holster grip) when I'm wade fishing. Casual observers can't tell. On the kayak or wad fishing, my pockets get flooded in summer. The only way for me to carry a gun dry is the top of my shirt.

 

[asm19]

I have a NAA Black Widow and carry it every day in my pants pocket in a pocket holster designed for the LCP. The pocket holster doesn't hold the revolver or conceal it any better, it just helps to keep some of the lint and dirt out of my gun.

The Black Widow is my backup gun in the winter but in summer it is my primary. I have no doubt about its ability to make a bad guy realize he's made a very bad decision and to buy me time to leave the area. 22 Magnum is no joke and the Black Widow handles it nicely.

My Black Widow hits high at all distances with Winchester Super X 40 grain FMJ. I can't wait to see the new Hornady ammo; until then I think I'll try some lighter bullets and see if they hit closer to point of aim.

 

[lizziedog1]

Plan to get one some day as a range toy / backup gun / swimsuit carry.

Swimsuit carry.

Do you swim in dangerous waters?

 

[Hoppes Love Potion]

I also use the Black Widow for daily carry. I practice with it every day, too. It's awesome, very accurate and reliable.

 

[chicharrones]

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2200 fps with over 300 ft lbs. it would be aprox 300-350 fps over a 22LR out of the NAA.

Don't forget that those velocities for .22LR and .22 Mag are out of rifle length barrels.

North American Arms lists velocities out of their guns here.

http://www.naaminis.com/naaveloc.html

 

[71Commander]

Originally Posted by chicharrones

Don't forget that those velocities for .22LR and .22 Mag are out of rifle length barrels.

North American Arms lists velocities out of their guns here.

http://www.naaminis.com/naaveloc.html

I am aware of that. Still the mag will be about 350 fps faster.

 

[franco45]

I have a Pug and a Black Widow. Both are 22wmr. I carry the Pug at the gym and walking in the park in a pocket holster from RKBA. The Black Widow sees duty in a custom owb holster if I am just running to the store. I also use both as bugs. I have the Black Widow grips on both and they make the little guys very easy to shoot

 

[First Big Foot]

Hi there:
I don't know if you have ever used CCI Stingers. They make a real difference in the power of a .22 LR. Really noticable difference.

And I might mention that the WMR rounds cost as much as 9mm.

That being said, I have both cylinders. A box of 50 rounds of WMR has lasted me about 20 years as I almost never fire them. I don't know how many Ft. Pounds they vary, but the cost of LR makes them my first choice.

Both cylinders are stored with four bullets, and one Shot round.


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Trying to decide between 22lr and 22mag for one of these. I need a deep concealment gun, and these seem perfect.

Looking at the numbers, it seems like the hottest 22mag loads give you a couple hundred more fps at similar weights out of these barrels.

It kind of seems to me like these guns are (obviously) a last resort anyway, and both depend on either the attacker being scared that there is a gun or you making a good shot.

So, I wonder if you have to make a good shot anyway, does 22mag really make much difference more than 22lr? If the benefit is only marginal, I would prefer to get the 22lr, then I wouldn't have to stock up on another caliber that I don't currently have (trying to minimize calibers as much as possible).

So, what do you all think; is the couple hundred fps from the mag really going to make a difference over the 22lr?

 

[Pyro]

For the NAA in .22lr I would chose the 60 grain projectile from Aquila.

 

[71Commander]

And I might mention that the WMR rounds cost as much as 9mm.

That being said, I have both cylinders. A box of 50 rounds of WMR has lasted me about 20 years as I almost never fire them. I don't know how many Ft. Pounds they vary, but the cost of LR makes them my first choice.

When it comes to issues regarding my life, I can't put dollar signs on it.

 

[bigfatdave]

And I might mention that the WMR rounds cost as much as 9mm.

Well, the GOOD .22wmr costs about the same as the CRAP 9x19mm

Both cylinders are stored with four bullets, and one Shot round.

Ah yes, I always take a moment to figure out which round is next before firing defensively, there is always time to pick out a cylinder, install it, rotate it to the right slot, cock the hammer, and fire.

 

[MCgunner]

So some chronographing. .22 stinger uses a 32 grain bullet and it's not a lot faster out of the NAA than a 40 grain solid. Saying it's a "lot hotter" is delusional. The .22LRs of various types produce around 65 ft lbs, the magnum around 100. Ft lbs in these low power rounds is moot, really. What you need to make sure is that the bullet produces two holes in the perp and the .22 mag has quite a bit more penetration than the .22LR from these guns. The Stinger round is probably the WORST choice from the standpont of penetration, too.

Neither load is a 9x19, of course, and that's my primary carry choice most days, 9x19. The NAAs are useful and I really like the BW, very accurate, but most days I have plenty of pocket to drop my Kel Tec P11 or other larger caliber in. I don't belt carry much, but do carry a .357 or a .45ACP on the belt from time to time. I'm not of the mindset that the .22 mag is more than it really is, put it that way. It's a good choice with nothing large is possible and the threat level is low. I do feel it is probably as effective as the .32ACP, but that really doesn't give me the warm fuzzies.

 

[First Big Foot]

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The Stinger round is probably the WORST choice from the standpont of penetration, too.

I have shot rabbits with solid 22s and Stingers. The solids pass through without much ado, rarely killing the rabbit. The Stingers literally explode what they hit.

In another experiment, I shot a foam ice box full of water with lead solid 22, and had to plug the hole with a twig to do the second test of Stingers. The entire box exploded with the stinger round.

You cannot convince me that there is little difference. There is more to it than bullet weight and speed, though the speed is helpful.

 

[MCgunner]

I have shot rabbits with solid 22s and Stingers. The solids pass through without much ado, rarely killing the rabbit. The Stingers literally explode what they hit.

Two things you don't seem to be able to comprehend, a 1 1/4" barreled mini revolver is NOT an 18" barreled rifle and, two, a rabbit is NOT a 200 lb human. I bet I've killed a lot more small game in my 58 years than you have with .22s. Humans don't count as small game, though. And, while you'll get 1300 plus fps from a Stinger in a rifle, you'll get about 800 in a pistol, not enough to affect bullet expansion. Then there's the most important matter of penetration. The Stinger has probably the least sectional density of any choice in .22LR, only 32 grains, very short bullet. How thick is a rabbit, about 2 1/2"? I am satisfied with over 10" penetration in a self defense round. I've only ever heard of Jimmy Carter being attacked by a rabbit and in that case, a boat oar is all it took.

 

[MCgunner]

BTW, try shooting said rabbit with a 30 grain Hornady +P .22 magnum load from a rifle. There probably won't be enough left to eat. STILL, I'd rather carry my 9x19 for self defense.

 

[First Big Foot]

Yes, I comprehend that a .22 is not the equal of a nine mm, or a .45. But since I figure a golfball to tennis ball size of homoginized flesh will do a lot to disuade an attacker, I feel pretty safe sleeping out in the open with a Black Widow in my pocket. Since I do not have a CCW, Day time carry is out of the question, as I am a law abiding citizen.

The shot rounds are for rattlers while out hunting. If it is placed as the first round on cocking, there was no question where it was. Since a revolver cylinder direction is pointed at by the registration pin ramp, that was easy enough to set up. The hammer rests between rounds in a notch for safety.

 

[Brass Rain]

Swimsuit carry.

Do you swim in dangerous waters?

Ha! No, that was more like a joke. I just kind of thought of the ideal use of the NAA Mini Revolvers as ultra-deep concealment, when you really can't carry any gun bigger. Like in a swimsuit. Maybe even a ladies' swimsuit, but that would take some creativity.

I hardly ever go swimming. But if I had a Mini Revolver, I'd probably carry it on me to do so.

 

[skipbo32]

i was watching the movie, Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang, and Val Kilmer, who plays a PI, has this gun.

 

[JFrame]

I have a NAA mini-revolver in .22 LR flavor, but now I have the itch to get one in .22 WMR. My quandary is whether to get the Black Widow, or to wait and see if the break-top Ranger goes into full production.

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