NAA Mini vs knife

[dev_null]

Gonzo, is that for self de-fencing? *ducks*

 

[floorit76]

In all these "little bitty 22" threads I have yet to see anyone volunteer to take a few to the guts just to prove how "harmless" they are.

 

[Zane]

So, what am I missing here?

Using your schema, a knife is preferable to a .45 or frankly any gun. Seems like the comparison is likely flawed.

 

[dev_null]

Seems like the comparison is likely flawed.

That's why I asked the question: to find what the flaws, if any, are.

 

[Onward Allusion]

I think the advantage will always go to the NAA Mini for the first 5 rounds, then it's a cutesy paperweight. When I had carried the NAA on a regular basis, I would also carry a knife and pepper spray. Um, come to think of it I still do carry a knife and pepper spray. Only it's now a P32 most of the time.

 

[gazpacho]

I've got an NAA 1860 3", that I only shoot 22wmr with. I can consistantly hit a 6" target at 25 yards. That's not bad at all. Plus it makes a REALLY loud bang.

But if you want to limit this to the really mini revolvers, then just bolt the bayonet onto it. That will give you 5 misses before you have to go pokey. Or I suppose you could pokey first and THEN shoot five times. It'd be harder to miss, I suppose.

Further, I practice the habit of NOT pointing guns at LEOs.

 

[JFrame]

I guess a couple of key points have already been addressed:

- You can carry both; they're not mutually exclusive tools (nor is pepper spray, or a baton, etc.)

- Unless you're going to throw it (once), the knife is a contact weapon; if forced into such an unappetizing circumstance, I would rather close with a person who already has a hole or two in him.


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[Squidward]

The issue, for me, isn't the distance at which these tools will be used. Nor is it which one makes a bigger hole. Its about which tool can be utilized more efficiently under stress. And to do so under stress, one has to train with that tool.

In my training and experience, drawing and firing 5 shots from a mini is more difficult than drawing and using a knife; gross motor skills vs. fine motor skills. Considering the many hypotheticals, distances and legalities above I'd take the knife over a NAA .22.

 

[blindhari]

Long ago and far away I made my living with a green suit and rifle. On the advice of a senior NCO I went down to main post PX and looked over knives available. I bought my best and last friend, Gerber MK1, and paid a months salary for private lessons.
lesson 1 Run
lesson 2 Shoot all ammo first
lesson 3 Use rifle as club
lesson 4 run from shot up, beat up adversary
lesson 5 if all else fails pull the knife
In the stated scenario you could drop lesson 3, it will still be easier to dance with someone after tickling them with a .22
Lessons took place 46 years ago and still apply. Shoot first, a blade is only a back up.

blindhari

 

[makarovnik]

Advantage NAA.

I wonder if a jury would hate you more for defending yourself with a knife.

 

[Rogerschrisj]

You can run out of ammo but I highly doubt you'll run out of blade.

 

[PastorAaron]

Carry both. As the encounter unfolds and the attacker approaches you draw and use your ranged tool first. If he makes it to your person, you draw and use the knife. It's a matter of making him come through your weapons in an order of engagement. Even in close proximity he should be getting kicked/knee'd on the way to the blade. Make him work for it.
God Bless,
Aaron

 

[Mp7]

i guess it depends how fast and accurately you can throw that knife, sir.

 

[chicharrones]

I think we are assuming people with the physical ability to fight with a knife. There are people that are disabled by (enter ailment here) and by old age.

If I was 70 years old, I'd probably feel more comfortable with the NAA over the knife. However, the NAA would be a back up to a back up since I wouldn't feel comfy with a NAA as my 1st choice when carrying either.

Plus, there is the fact that even in my 40s I have never been trained for knife fighting. That would definitely be something I would not want to figure out "on the job". A lot of us that carry guns do so because we want to get on with our lives without the martial arts training. I have other things to do with my time and that is the choice I have made.

Some of us are lovers not fighters and the gun can help us from being a victim.

 

[2wheels]

It occurred to me we don't have to choose between NAA or knife...

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/06/02/bayonets-for-naa-mini-revolvers/

 

[AK103K]

As the encounter unfolds and the attacker approaches you draw and use your ranged tool first.

This assumes you even know its going to be a fight. A knife can easily be concealed, and ready for use, in basically plain sight. If the person appears unarmed, even if you dont like the "feeling" of the whole thing, at what point do you have your gun out ready to shoot?

For stuff like this, this is where airsoft and rubber training knives are great. You can actually work some of this out, and see what is 'real" and what sounds good in theory, but doesnt play out well in practice. I think youll find some things are eye openers.

One other thing, if theres a knife present, and the person with it has even just a little knowledge of how to use it, and is the least bit determined, plan on getting cut.

i guess it depends how fast and accurately you can throw that knife, sir.

Back to John Wayne movies.

Other than for fun, I never understood why people think throwing a good knife (and possibly your only weapon) away was a good idea. Im bringing mine with me, and Ill be there in a second.


I think some of the thoughts here tend to run to this being a gun board and we are gun people. The "gun" tends to the solution to all the problems. When you start bringing up close contact, grappling, and knives, etc, people seem to become uncomfortable. Unfortunately, in real life, a lot of this is real life, and if you think the gun is all you need, and you dont have any other skills, your likely to be in for a rude awakening.

 

[Ghost Tracker]

There continues to be a repeated theme about "throwing the knife" in a scenario in which you have either a gun or a knife. I might look around for something to throw as a distraction (a lamp, an ashtray, even a fit). But there's not a snowball's chance in July that I'm gonna' throw (away) the best weapon I've got. And CERTAINLY NOT if I've already got it in my hand. A little experiment with a red magic-marker taped to a 12" wooden ruler vs. an (airsoft maybe?) NAA revolver, both from concealment, in a poorly lit, confined space, from a "surprise" GO!, would be both interesting & enlightening. Every time I consider the precise motor skills required to effectively handle a SA micro revolver & score stopping hits on close, aggressively moving assailant with a .22LR...I wanna' be the guy with the knife. No, I don't want to be shot by so much as a marshmallow. And I hope (pray) no one here EVER has to make this more than a theoretical debate. But my money's on the blade.

 

[chicharrones]

Unfortunately, in real life, a lot of this is real life, and if you think the gun is all you need, and you dont have any other skills, your likely to be in for a rude awakening.

Yep. I've been in two "rude awakenings" long ago. No knife was used in either case. One was just fists and the other was with a gun. I had no weapon in either case and both situations sucked. Luckily the one with the gun ended with no shots fired and me just losing money.

 

[Loosedhorse]

I need some specifics: How mant shots does the knife have? Is it single-action, and what's the recoil like--meaning, how quickly can you get in an accurate follow-up shot? How quickly can you reload it?

"This is a .44 Magnum knife, and can cut your head clean off." Okay, maybe not "clean;" but pretty much any knife is a .44 Mag--in the hands of a determined user, it can decapitate and disembowel. Can the NAAs do that?

 

[PastorAaron]

I practice UKF Kenpo, a knife system, and have Never expected to get cut. Bad practice.
You're right, this is assuming that the attack is foreseen. If the attacker has the element of surprise, training repetition is your only saving grace. Practice knives are great tools, just make sure to practice the same draw you intend to use, and get a practice knife similar to the live blade you intend to carry.
Another note, trust your gut. Most attacks are foreseeable, we just talk ourselves out of using our God given instincts.
God Bless,
Aaron

 

[JFrame]

This assumes you even know its going to be a fight. A knife can easily be concealed, and ready for use, in basically plain sight.

Actually, so can many of the shorter-barreled NAA minis...

I'm not trying to be a detractor of the knife here. The EDC that I always have on me (where municipalities allow) is a Spyderco Superhawk.

I think the tactical situation will dictate what gets drawn and used. In a dynamic (and likely sudden) scenario, who knows which is optimum and gets pulled first?

I'd rather have the option for both (along with a 12-gauge pump... ).


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[Ghost Tracker]

If we get to pick what we want in this fight, I want...to be elsewhere.

 

[JFrame]

If we get to pick what we want in this fight, I want...to be elsewhere.

Lesson 1 of blindhari's post -- my first option also!

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[rbernie]

In all these "little bitty 22" threads I have yet to see anyone volunteer to take a few to the guts just to prove how "harmless" they are.

That's a silly argument - most folk aren't going to volunteer to take a bowling ball in the gut, either, but that doesn't mean that it's a desirable self-defense weapon to be carryin' around.

 

[JShirley]

In my experience, NAAs can be very accurate, but they don't tend to be very fast. If you can upgrade to just a P-32, it'll make a huge difference. A close friend of mine has owned a NAA for the last 5 years, but he gladly accepted and carried the .25 I gave him. (Huh. I'd forgotten about that!)

Historically, I practice 3-shot strings with a P-32. I can put all three of them in a fist size in about the time it will take most people to fire a single shot from a NAA (revolver), and be cocking for the second.

Like many things, a mini-revolver or a knife could work, but in most situations, I'd prefer another tool, say a cane and/or a larger handgun, to start.

John