BullSlinger
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IMHO, if chambers are all same size and you are getting bullseye on first shots, could be that your are trying to hard after first shot. Only way to be sure is fire from a bench with a vice.
need advise on a problem with pietta 44
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Curator: Are you speaking of the Shooter's Model with gain twist?
I'm curious about the Pietta adjustable sight target model (~$450) as to the cylinder dimensions and the twist rate. I like my bullets and don't really want a slow twist.
I'm curious about the Pietta adjustable sight target model (~$450) as to the cylinder dimensions and the twist rate. I like my bullets and don't really want a slow twist.
swathdiver
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Number each chamber and fire 18 shots onto the paper, noting where each ball from that specific chamber went to.
Now, as for the first shot being on and the others off, could be your sixgun doesn't like a fouled bore if you're even wiping it between loading???
You asked another question earlier about Pietta versus Uberti. While I do not believe it applies in your case, the newest Ubertis are superior to Piettas when compared to the originals as for their sizes. The Piettas are larger. The loading lever catch and front sight are dovetailed on the Uberti and they tightened up their twist on the NMA in 2007 while Pietta did it in the latter part of 2012.
Now, as for the first shot being on and the others off, could be your sixgun doesn't like a fouled bore if you're even wiping it between loading???
You asked another question earlier about Pietta versus Uberti. While I do not believe it applies in your case, the newest Ubertis are superior to Piettas when compared to the originals as for their sizes. The Piettas are larger. The loading lever catch and front sight are dovetailed on the Uberti and they tightened up their twist on the NMA in 2007 while Pietta did it in the latter part of 2012.
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midland man
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nope I didn't even wipe it between each cylinder I should try that next time! 
well that david pedersoli is very well built it has a forged steel frame and broach rifling much better that the button rifling and has very tight specs on metal fit! I found this on the perdersoli web site on how this pistol is made compared to the cheaper pistols, in which this one will outlast most of us... here's the link http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/riv...82/the-accuracy-of-a-percussion-revolver.html
well that david pedersoli is very well built it has a forged steel frame and broach rifling much better that the button rifling and has very tight specs on metal fit! I found this on the perdersoli web site on how this pistol is made compared to the cheaper pistols, in which this one will outlast most of us... here's the link http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/riv...82/the-accuracy-of-a-percussion-revolver.html
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midland man
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sure would like to own that perdersoli model but take me a while to save to buy that one please keep the comments coming?? thanks!
please keep the comments coming?? thanks!
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Curator
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rodwha,
The Pietta "target model" I was working on came from Dixie Gun a few years ago. The twist rate on it was about 1 in 30", not gain twist. I understand that both Uberti and Pietta have offered "shooters models" that have the correct chamber/bore relationship for optimum accuracy and some of these had gain twist. My ROA has a 1 in 16" twist, as did the Hege 1858 revolver a friend had. You can check on the Dixie web site for specifications on all their revolvers. They list both chamber and bore/groove diameters and often the twist rate as well.
The Pietta "target model" I was working on came from Dixie Gun a few years ago. The twist rate on it was about 1 in 30", not gain twist. I understand that both Uberti and Pietta have offered "shooters models" that have the correct chamber/bore relationship for optimum accuracy and some of these had gain twist. My ROA has a 1 in 16" twist, as did the Hege 1858 revolver a friend had. You can check on the Dixie web site for specifications on all their revolvers. They list both chamber and bore/groove diameters and often the twist rate as well.
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midland man
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so curator I was wondering? is any other of the cheaper pistols come close to the pedersoli model that is very expensive? I am new to all of this but after reading the article from pedersoli and watched the video on that high end pistol it was nice to see one shoot very accurately? and thanks for the suggestion on cream of wheat and will cornmeal work too? thanks guys!
Dixie's info hasn't been updated to reflect changes. It still shows a 1:30" twist for standard Peitta NMA's, and mine, a 2013 model with 5.5" barrel, is a 1:16" twist.
Some with newer models have checked and noted slow twists and 7 lands/grooves (mine is 6). So there seems to be variables here. Maybe they source some barrels elsewhere?
Some with newer models have checked and noted slow twists and 7 lands/grooves (mine is 6). So there seems to be variables here. Maybe they source some barrels elsewhere?
swathdiver
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As for accuracy, one slow twist 8" '58 put them all within .88" at 50 feet using 35 grains of Schuetzen under a greased wad with a .454 rb. Just a regular gun from Cabela's.
The new (2007) Uberti's are also forged. I have seen the Hege guns advertised as Uberti-Hege but not sure of the significance of that.
The new (2007) Uberti's are also forged. I have seen the Hege guns advertised as Uberti-Hege but not sure of the significance of that.
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Curator
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midlandman,
I have two older Pietta 1858 44s that I reamed the chambers to .452 using the Mason .45 caliber cylinder throating reamer and the correct pilot bushings. It is not a difficult job and one does not need a lathe to perform the task. Brownells sells the reamers and pilots. I bought mine about 15 years ago for $45 but I see the priced have gone up to $80. I did modify the reamer and pilot slightly so I could nearly reach the bottoms of each chamber. The cost of the reamer and pilots can be minimised by doing several guns. I also gave each of my C&B .44s an 11 degree forcing cone using another tool from Brownells. A little action "tuning" mostly smoothing up the insides and the guns went from ho-hum accuracy to as good or better than a comparable modern cartridge revolver.
link to Brownells reamer: http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-t...olver-cylinder-throating-reamer-prod7700.aspx
I have two older Pietta 1858 44s that I reamed the chambers to .452 using the Mason .45 caliber cylinder throating reamer and the correct pilot bushings. It is not a difficult job and one does not need a lathe to perform the task. Brownells sells the reamers and pilots. I bought mine about 15 years ago for $45 but I see the priced have gone up to $80. I did modify the reamer and pilot slightly so I could nearly reach the bottoms of each chamber. The cost of the reamer and pilots can be minimised by doing several guns. I also gave each of my C&B .44s an 11 degree forcing cone using another tool from Brownells. A little action "tuning" mostly smoothing up the insides and the guns went from ho-hum accuracy to as good or better than a comparable modern cartridge revolver.
link to Brownells reamer: http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-t...olver-cylinder-throating-reamer-prod7700.aspx
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midland man
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thanks curator very much appreciate the advise as well as the others advise on here! well this is all new to me and so I have enjoyed shooting the c&b revolver and would like to continue playin with these BP arms. so curator if I may ask this is that david pedersoli that's nearly a thousand dollars, well is it that good or is it not worth buyin it? I really and humbly ask you and others opinion on this high end pistol?? plus the pietta target model or uberti's version are they decent guns? thanks!
Ephraim Kibbey
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Note that the Pietta "Target Model" is not the same as the Pietta "Shooter's Model." The latter is almost as much money as the DP. Compare the specs of both Piettas at Dixie Gun Works.
Curator
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I am not personally familiar with the Pedersoli Remington model. If they have taken over the manufacture of the Hege Remington it would be high priced. It is difficult to imagine that they are better than the Ruger Old Army particularly at twice the price.
Rodwha: when I bought my Mason reamer it came with a .447 pilot. I see that the smallest offered today is .448. It can't be that difficult to chuck this in a drill motor and take of a thousandth or two. The Mason reamer is designed for cartridge revolvers so you may need to modify it somewhat to get it to work in the closed chamber on a cap & ball revolver. I shortened both the pilot and pilot axle in order to get mine to ream to the bottom of the chambers. I did mine in two steps. First reamed as far as it would go with the shortened pilot. Then I removed the pilot and the nipples and reamed to the bottom of each chamber (about 3/8") So far I have done this on at least 20 different .44 C&B cylinders for friends and club members. No one has ever complained that it did not improve accuracy
Rodwha: when I bought my Mason reamer it came with a .447 pilot. I see that the smallest offered today is .448. It can't be that difficult to chuck this in a drill motor and take of a thousandth or two. The Mason reamer is designed for cartridge revolvers so you may need to modify it somewhat to get it to work in the closed chamber on a cap & ball revolver. I shortened both the pilot and pilot axle in order to get mine to ream to the bottom of the chambers. I did mine in two steps. First reamed as far as it would go with the shortened pilot. Then I removed the pilot and the nipples and reamed to the bottom of each chamber (about 3/8") So far I have done this on at least 20 different .44 C&B cylinders for friends and club members. No one has ever complained that it did not improve accuracy
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midland man
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curator that sounds great! so have you had any experience on the uberti models and if so was they made with chambers bein slightly over bore diameter and your overall thoughts on these models?? thanks!
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