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About a year ago I bought a Glock 29 10mm and started to reload 10mm for it. I have since become a big fan of 10mm. With that said, a couple days ago I was socializing at my favorite local gunshop when I came across this baby that I just had to add to my collection, a Kimber Stainless Target II 10mm:

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Very nice Zen! Is that an internal or external extractor model? Let us know how it shoots when you get it to the range.
 
Congrats on your new toy. I bought one about a month after thaey hit dealer shelves and I love it.

Is that an internal or external extractor model?
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The Kimber 10mm's all have ramped, fully supported barrels and internal extractors.
 
New 10mm owner here as well. Not as nice (or pricey) as that Kimber, but I picked up a Tanfoglio 10mm Witness. I've enjoyed the first range visit and am ready for more to come!

I've actually been able to find some affordable ammo at a couple of shops in town and a few steals at the gun show tonight. Not .22 or 9mm prices, but certainly comparable to .45.

Good luck!

Comparable pic... not mine.
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Man, do I ever hate feeling envious.

I've been wanting a 10mm 1911 for ages, but never seem to get around to buying one. I've been mulling around the idea of converting a 1911 to .460 Rowland instead, but there's just something about the 10mm that I find attractive (that I can't for the life of me put my finger on).

AMT made a longslide 1911 10mm (dubbed the "Javelin", IIRC) that I had my heart set on. I developed cold feet when I read some accounts of spotty QC in some of the gunrags of the day. Too bad, they stopped making them shortly after.
 
Nice looking pistol Zen. Congrats. Like you, I am a recent 10mm owner - Dan Wesson RZ-10. I love the caliber in the 1911 format - powerful, flat-shooting, with a lot of zip. What ammo have you tried so far?
 
10-Ring said:
I've been a fan of the 10mm but I just can't deal w/ finding or affording ammo
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Dude, even Blazer makes a 10mm load. It's really not hard to find at all, and not expensive particularly if you shop around the mail order houses.

I regularly spend a LOT more on ammo for .44 Special and.45 Colt than I do on 10mm.

And to the OP, congrats on your new 10mm. I'm a long time fan myself, here are my Delta and RZ-10.

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I've been a fan of the 10mm but I just can't deal w/ finding or affording ammo
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See what you're missin' by not reloading?:D

I'd like a 10, but I see it more as an outdoor round. The platforms available for it are quite heavy (I don't care for Glocks) and the cartridge is of a power level more suited as an outdoor gun, but I prefer revolvers for outdoor guns. I'll always prefer the versatility of the .357 magnum, myself, from rabbits for camp meat to bear defense to deer hunting, just change the load, mild to wild, and it'll "feed" 'em all.

If there's a 10 out there that weighs closer to 30 ounces than 40 and is DA, I'd consider one. But, for carry, frankly, I'm happy with my 9mm and .45ACP.
 
a couple days ago I was socializing at my favorite local gunshop when I came across this baby that I just had to add to my collection, a Kimber Stainless Target II 10mm
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Very nice gun, Zen. I have one just like it on the way, should be here this week...and I am chompin' at the bit for it to get here, too. :D At the shop I ordered mine from, I saw 180-gr. Remington FMJ at $20 for a box of 50. I don't know of any other local place that stocks it, but then, I haven't looked. I need to start looking for a decent reloading setup as well, but that's another thread...
 
BGA - Mine looks exactly like yours but with the wood grips. I've also got a set of the rubber. EAA still has the wood grips for sale as an accessory item. I think they are around $50.
 
Add me to the list of Witness owners as well. Here's mine:

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Got a set of Hogues I modified for it. Shooting full-power loads, it's a wonderful jack-of-all trades gun. I've been working up some loads myself, and 200gr XTPs over 800x is fabulous.

I'd love a Dan Wesson or Kimber, but I don't have the budget.
 
Since we're here,

I understand that most ammo available in 10mm is not the original 'full house' load, but rather the 'lite' load, which is in effect a .40. (I'm too lazy to look up the loading specs.)

DO they sell 10mm full-house, and are most guns set up for it?
 
Set up for it? Depends on what you mean. Pressure wise? They'd better be, since SAAMI spec is what determines what can be fired in the gun, lite loads or not. For the Glock and Witness, you'll need a 22lb~ recoil spring, and I opted for 10%+ magazine springs as well. The Kimber and Dan Wesson? No idea.
 
The Kimber and Dan Wesson? No idea.
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My Dan Wesson Razorback pictured above has been on a steady diet of Double Tap 10mm as well as my handloads which are about the same. These are pretty close to the original Norma specs for the load which were :

200gr bullet @ 1200fps
170gr bullet @ 1400fps

The SAAMI spec calls for a max of 53,000 cup, which is way up there.

For comparison sake:

9mm 35,700cup
45ACP 22,000cup
357Mag 46,000cup
44Mag 43,700cup

Double Taps 200gr HP round claims 1250fps, so it's clearly full strength :evil:
 
rook said:
For the Glock and Witness, you'll need a 22lb~ recoil spring, and I opted for 10%+ magazine springs as well.
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Really? I read somewhere (maybe 10mmtalk.com?) that you would need anything from 18 to 22 lb recoil springs, depending on what you're shooting. In any event, I already bought the recoil springs, now I'm just saving up for the conversion kit.

The way things are going financially though, may not see that until income tax refund time!
 
10mm Misconceptions!

Mcgunner: look at the ballistics. Everyone thinks the 10mm overpenetrates for CCW. It is essentially a very hot .357mag. Buffalo Bore makes a .357 load that is essentially equal to Doubletap 10mm rounds. The FBI round was 175gr. They now make 135, 155, 165, etc, etc. The old misconceptions and propaganda need to stop! Yes, at 200-220gr the 10mm is an outdoor weapon. But at <165gr, it makes an awesome self defense weapon. Take a look at the ballistics! It is a .357mag in an semiauto platform. The glock being one of the most versatile at 15+1.:cool: :D :eek:
 
I wouldn't call the Glock 10mm the most versatile. The EAA Witness in 10mm also has a capacity of 15+1, for those states that allow that capacity.

I'd call the Witness more versatile. After all, you can buy conversion kits to turn a 10mm Witness into a .45, .40S&W, 9mm or .38Super.

Although, I've heard you can do similar things with a Glock. I just prefer steel to plastic. ;)


But that's just me. :D
 
Really? I read somewhere (maybe 10mmtalk.com?) that you would need anything from 18 to 22 lb recoil springs, depending on what you're shooting. In any event, I already bought the recoil springs, now I'm just saving up for the conversion kit.

The way things are going financially though, may not see that until income tax refund time!
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That's why I put the tilde afterwards to indicate similar weights. Let me say, with full power loads, a 22lb recoil spring, and a cut down ejector, I'm still geting brass flung close to 15 feet. The slide velocity on the Witness is amazing. Plus it likes to unlock early, something a square-back firing pin stop and heavier mainspring would help prevent. Unfortunately the former (and easiest to install without affecting other parts of the gun) isn't available. Anyone out there listening? EGW?
 
Rook, how does your Witness seem to be holding up though? Does it show any wear from the heavy 10mm loads? If you're still seeing brass flung 15 feet or so with 22 lb springs, do you think a heavier spring might help? Does anyone make a heavier spring?
 
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