New 336 Classic from Ruger aka Marlin thoughts?

[GooseGestapo]

ACJ1;
Exactly my thoughts!
Nothing the .360Buckhammer can do the .357mag can’t, nor the .35Rem except sell new $$$$ rifles and $$$ ammo.

A .357max could fire .38spl, .357mag, and .357max.

You “might” be able to form .360RBH brass from .30-30...
We’ll see...

I’d rather seen .35 Remington express loads return. The ones that produced the ballistics of the ballyhooed.360RBH... Easily accomplished at less than SAAMI max pressures...

 

[AJC1]

ACJ1;
Exactly my thoughts!
Nothing the .360Buckhammer can do the .357mag can’t, nor the .35Rem except sell new $$$$ rifles and $$$ ammo.

A .357max could fire .38spl, .357mag, and .357max.

You “might” be able to form .360RBH brass from .30-30...
We’ll see...

I’d rather seen .35 Remington express loads return. The ones that produced the ballistics of the ballyhooed.360RBH... Easily accomplished at less than SAAMI max pressures...

I need to talk to an engineerd at marlin and have an adjustable feed ramp come from the factory. If you try and feed 38s with the 357 max setting I'd almost guarantee a double feed. This should be easy and if made with a strong spring and detent should take seconds to adjust. The versatility would have prepers and lever gun enthusiasts, stampeding to get one.

 

[GooseGestapo]

30-30 has about the same rim diameter as 44 Mag.

.506 vs. .514.

That is vs the 357mag/max .440.

Where did you see a cartridge drawing?
I’ve searched and can’t find it.
It’s not SAAMI accepted yet...

 

[someguy2800]

ACJ1;
Exactly my thoughts!
Nothing the .360Buckhammer can do the .357mag can’t, nor the .35Rem except sell new $$$$ rifles and $$$ ammo.

A .357max could fire .38spl, .357mag, and .357max.

You “might” be able to form .360RBH brass from .30-30...
We’ll see...

I’d rather seen .35 Remington express loads return. The ones that produced the ballistics of the ballyhooed.360RBH... Easily accomplished at less than SAAMI max pressures...

You can shoot 38 and 357 mag in a 357 max, I’ve done it, but I promise you don’t want to. All 38 bullet and most 357 mag bullets will be out of the case before they reach the throat in a 357 max chamber. You are literally throwing an unsupported bullet at the barrel. This 360 will be a lot bigger of a hammer than a 357 mag or max. Being that I don’t live in a straight wall state I would much rather see a revived +P 35 Remington. At least we will get some new 358 bullets out of the deal.

 

[CraigC]

.460 S&W instead of .454 Casull

Never happen with existing designs.

If any redesign occurs an easy to remove bolt for cleaning has made it a clear winner over winchester.

Totally overblown factor. Been a levergun nut for decades. Never took the bolt out of a lever rifle to clean it.

Nothing the .360Buckhammer can do the .357mag can’t, nor the .35Rem except sell new $$$$ rifles and $$$ ammo.

Not sure that's accurate. Never seen the .357 get a 200gr to 2200fps.

 

[AJC1]

Never happen with existing designs.



Totally overblown factor. Been a levergun nut for decades. Never took the bolt out of a lever rifle to clean it.



Not sure that's accurate. Never seen the .357 get a 200gr to 2200fps.

Well I do and it a reason I won't buy another winchester. Dismissing others requirements is not cool and I'll not be doing that to you.

 

[earlthegoat2]

Where did you see a cartridge drawing?
I’ve searched and can’t find it.
It’s not SAAMI accepted yet...

I didn’t indicate a 360 Buckhammer cartridge spec. I was using the 360 parent case, the 30-30, for the rim measurement.

However, a search turned this up which shows a drawing.

https://www.outdoorlife.com/guns/360-buckhammer/

 

[CraigC]

Well I do and it a reason I won't buy another winchester. Dismissing others requirements is not cool and I'll not be doing that to you.

Gimme a break. It's not a requirement, it's a preference based on a false pretense. It's not an M4 and you're not in the sandbox. There's no need to clean a levergun that much or break one down that often, if at all. And if you're shooting blackpowder, you'd appreciate the open top design of the Winchester which precludes taking them apart, even then. The whole idea that Marlins are superior because it's easy to remove the bolt is bunk.

 

[AJC1]

Gimme a break. It's not a requirement, it's a preference based on a false pretense. It's not an M4 and you're not in the sandbox. There's no need to clean a levergun that much or break one down that often, if at all. And if you're shooting blackpowder, you'd appreciate the open top design of the Winchester which precludes taking them apart, even then. The whole idea that Marlins are superior because it's easy to remove the bolt is bunk.

Now your busy justifying why it's OK to dismiss my requirements... it's OK bro your right my requirements are second to your position

 

[BlueHeelerFl]

I’m skeptical that Ruger can make and sell them for a reasonable price. Right now I feel like the going rate for a used 336 is in the 600 range and something tells me Ruger will want 900-1100 for theirs, because that’s what every well-made steel lever gun seems to retail for these days. I just don’t see the appeal at that price.

I agree. Sadly the days of reasonably priced lever guns are gone

 

[W.E.G.]

I agree.
I agree. Sadly the days of reasonably priced US-made-anything are gone

Fixed it for you

 

[JumboJVT]

Gimme a break. It's not a requirement, it's a preference based on a false pretense. It's not an M4 and you're not in the sandbox. There's no need to clean a levergun that much or break one down that often, if at all. And if you're shooting blackpowder, you'd appreciate the open top design of the Winchester which precludes taking them apart, even then. The whole idea that Marlins are superior because it's easy to remove the bolt is bunk.

Marlins are superior because of side ejection and a closed top bridge, consequently, better strength. Any mechanical device that uses fewer parts to achieve the same results is superior: mechanical engineering 101. Easy service is just a bonus of a better design. JBM be damned. Blackpowder in a 30/30...who?

Of course I'm just funning. But anyone worrying about which antique is superior to another needs to take a breath. Nostalgia (to which I am particularly susceptible) sometimes needs a reality check.

 

[AJC1]

Marlins are superior because of side ejection and a closed top bridge, consequently, better strength. Any mechanical device that uses fewer parts to achieve the same results is superior: mechanical engineering 101. Easy service is just a bonus of a better design. JBM be damned. Blackpowder in a 30/30...who?

Of course I'm just funning. But anyone worrying about which antique is superior to another needs to take a breath. Nostalgia (to which I am particularly susceptible) sometimes needs a reality check.

I was very concerned when I found out my dad left me a micro grove, because I shoot mostly cast. So far so good.

 

[3Crows]

What cartridge weapon is not an antique? The most commonly used for hunting and target shooting bolt action rifles design dates back at least as far as does lever action. I guess the AR type rifle does not date back to the 19th Century, just the mid 20th Century. And I guess I give a rats patoot about aluminum AR type rifles or any of that sort of weapon. And even they are on the verge of antique-dom. Referring to modern lever guns as antiques is slightly disingenuous IMO.

 

[JumboJVT]

What cartridge weapon is not an antique? The most commonly used for hunting and target shooting bolt action rifles design dates back at least as far as does lever action. I guess the AR type rifle does not date back to the 19th Century, just the mid 20th Century. And I guess I give a rats patoot about aluminum AR type rifles or any of that sort of weapon. And even they are on the verge of antique-dom. Referring to modern lever guns as antiques is slightly disingenuous IMO.

Antique in this context has nothing to do with time. Antique has to do with functionality: accuracy, cartridge capability, simplicity of manufacture (hence production cost), action strength, primary extraction, speed of reloading, . No, not an AR. There is a reason the bolt all but killed off the lever in the '50's and '60's...all of the above.

Don't misunderstand, I love levers and own several, and if it weren't for my aging eyes, one would be my primary hunting rifle. 30/30 is all I need for most of my hunting, I love the easy carry of the slim receiver and the compact overall footprint, slim fore end, relatively light weight. But to argue my 336 is better than your 94 is foolish when that guy's Ruger American is, objectively, better than either. Life is simpler when you just admit that nostalgia has nothing to do with objectivity: its just plain fun.

 

[GooseGestapo]

I was very concerned when I found out my dad left me a micro grove, because I shoot mostly cast. So far so good.

Just remember that a Microgroove barrel acts like an oversized bore.
Use 2-3 thousandth larger size cast bullet.

I use a .360” sizer for cast with my ‘70’s vintage M336C .35Rem.
I get >\= 2MOA with a RCBS 200gr RFN-GC (218gr w/GC and lube). At 2,050fps over 39.0gr BLC2 it’s noticeably more potent than factory ammo.
Most factory.35 is loaded to 28,000-32,000 psi by actual measurements.
Or as Jon Barsness writes: “about the level of Burrito farts!”.

Buffalo Bore loads to SAAMI upper specs with their 220gr Speer FN, @ 2,200fps. Originally with 40.0gr of H4895.
They now use a published load of Hodgdons LVR. Even that load leaves some performance “on the table” as I have seen 2,300+ from a strong action (bolt, and Remington M760).
I used to run a 200gr Sierra RN at 2,400fps from my Remington M760 in the ‘90’s.

I once due to favorable light angle could see through a deer (temporary wound cavity after heart/lung shot.) Only other time I saw that was with a Sierra 300gr HP @ 2,100fps from a .45/70, under similar conditions.
(Low angle morning bright sun, low power scope).

Back in the Late’90’s, to 2001, Marlin made a run of M336 Guide Guns in .35Rem. I had to pass on one. (18.5” w/half magazine!) Blue with beautiful checkered wood.
If Ruger makes one, I’ll buy it! I’ve got a couple of Leupold VariX III’s and a VX3 in 1.5-5x that I.l put on it!

A .360RBH is a hard pass! Though I could see reboring a ratty M336 .30/30 to take it.
JES REBORING is the man! If it’s possible.

 

[AJC1]

Just remember that a Microgroove barrel acts like an oversized bore.
Use 2-3 thousandth larger size cast bullet.

I use a .360” sizer for cast with my ‘70’s vintage M336C .35Rem.
I get >\= 2MOA with a RCBS 200gr RFN-GC (218gr w/GC and lube). At 2,050fps over 39.0gr BLC2 it’s noticeably more potent than factory ammo.
Most factory.35 is loaded to 28,000-32,000 psi by actual measurements.
Or as Jon Barsness writes: “about the level of Burrito farts!”.

Buffalo Bore loads to SAAMI upper specs with their 220gr Speer FN, @ 2,200fps. Originally with 40.0gr of H4895.
They now use a published load of Hodgdons LVR. Even that load leaves some performance “on the table” as I have seen 2,300+ from a strong action (bolt, and Remington M760).
I used to run a 200gr Sierra RN at 2,400fps from my Remington M760 in the ‘90’s.

I once due to favorable light angle could see through a deer (temporary wound cavity after heart/lung shot.) Only other time I saw that was with a Sierra 300gr HP @ 2,100fps from a .45/70, under similar conditions.
(Low angle morning bright sun, low power scope).

I've been keeping the front driving band out of the case and following Keith's lead at 12 bhn and doing great. The .358 seems good enough so far. If I was having any problem I'd step up no question.

 

[horsemen61]

My take is that yes Ruger will do Right by the 336 but it will take some time to get them out into the wild im not even going to look for one for at least a year

 

[AJC1]

Antique in this context has nothing to do with time. Antique has to do with functionality: accuracy, cartridge capability, simplicity of manufacture (hence production cost), action strength, primary extraction, speed of reloading, . No, not an AR. There is a reason the bolt all but killed off the lever in the '50's and '60's...all of the above.

Don't misunderstand, I love levers and own several, and if it weren't for my aging eyes, one would be my primary hunting rifle. 30/30 is all I need for most of my hunting, I love the easy carry of the slim receiver and the compact overall footprint, slim fore end, relatively light weight. But to argue my 336 is better than your 94 is foolish when that guy's Ruger American is, objectively, better than either. Life is simpler when you just admit that nostalgia has nothing to do with objectivity: its just plain fun.

Putting a scope on a lever is lame because the best feature of handiness is removed. I agree it's not modern but in some areas it's a good option. In Arizona or long range situations is not it's best life.

 

[3Crows]

Putting a scope on a lever is lame because the best feature of handiness is removed. .

That is an opinion, not a fact, and many do not share your opinion of what constitutes lame. An appropriate magnification scope is faster in my use and in addition to the magnification a scope also amplifies light providing a brighter view. There is no law says that if a scope is mounted to a rifle it must be a mini-Hubble telescope. If shot placement is important then a scope makes good shot placement much more certain.

 

[kidneyboy]

.327FM
.32-20
.38-55 Win
.454 Casull
35 rem
357 max

Calibers you will never see in a new production lever action.......

 

[herrwalther]

I just want them to make the 336 in 35Remington again so ammo companies have a reason to make the ammo again like they used to. I don't think I will ever see $20 boxes again but $100 boxes is just insane. In the meantime, I will get my new (to me) 30-06 up to snuff for hunting.

 

[AJC1]

ACJ1;
Exactly my thoughts!
Nothing the .360Buckhammer can do the .357mag can’t, nor the .35Rem except sell new $$$$ rifles and $$$ ammo.

A .357max could fire .38spl, .357mag, and .357max.

You “might” be able to form .360RBH brass from .30-30...
We’ll see...

I’d rather seen .35 Remington express loads return. The ones that produced the ballistics of the ballyhooed.360RBH... Easily accomplished at less than SAAMI max pressures...

I just ran across this buck hammer. Never seen anything before your post. Must be brandy new from shot.

 

[Archie]

Ruger does good work. Marlin made good stuff and had good designs. Should work out well.

I don't much need lever action rifles and they are too new for me. But I would hate to see Marlin die or waste away like Remington or Smith & Wesson.

 

[CraigC]

Marlins are superior because of side ejection and a closed top bridge, consequently, better strength.

Except they're not stronger. In fact the Winchester 1892 and 1886 are measurably stronger than their Marlin counterparts.