While I shouldn’t pass judgement on this new design before I ever get a chance to shoot one at the range, the change to the grip angle on this new model looks just wrong, and it may mess with the way the gun points to a target, and therefore the way the gun shoots. The grip angle and balance on my MKII and MKIII BHP with the Pachmayr rubber grips on both is just perfect and I would never want to mess with them. My MKII is the spitting image of bannockburn’s above, and I know that gun is a shooter because mine sure is.
New FN High Power - Finally a successor to the 1911 or Blasphemy to John Brownings name?
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The Tisas is still being made just not imported into the US.
https://www.trabzonsilah.com/en/firearms/zig-14-black
Regent was the importer. Tisas USA never imported the BR9.
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I'll buy one if used ones are ever common and cheap. I like big steel pistols.
I'm certainly used to the original design. My very first 9mm pistol was an FEG I got in the late 80's. I have shot a whole lot of rounds through it since then, and it has always functioned properly. But for me the design is "okay". Same with the Beretta 92 and several others I've owned. It fits my hand okay and always goes bang, but it's nothing special.
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I'm certainly used to the original design. My very first 9mm pistol was an FEG I got in the late 80's. I have shot a whole lot of rounds through it since then, and it has always functioned properly. But for me the design is "okay". Same with the Beretta 92 and several others I've owned. It fits my hand okay and always goes bang, but it's nothing special.
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I think if you like it, buy it.
I'm not much for this "blasphemy" stuff, as if people can't make something nice without someone else getting bent out of shape about it. If it turns out to be crud, then the highly competitive firearms market will soon make short work of it.
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It was also originally named "High Power" and was later changed to "Hi Power" when FN Herstal moved his pistol production to Canada during WWII.
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The gun world is SO persnickety!
Virtually any other product goes through some forms of change/evolution over its lifetime, and yet nobody gives then a second glance for it! Computers, cars, tools, battery chargers, phones, etc.
But throw a change into a pistol and suddenly people are running around in circles and screaming!
The Ford Mustang has gone through many changes over the years and decades. Heck, even with any given production year, there were various options available which significantly affected appearance and performance.
Pick a laptop brand and model which has been around for a while. Today's version is radically different from those of yesteryear, yet an HP Envy is still an HP Envy and a MacBook Pro i still a MacBook Pro.
Even the venerable 1911 has undergone changes over its century-plus life.
This High Power IS, in fact, a "High Power" because FN SAYS it's a High Power. Don't like it? Well, take comfort in the fact that they don't actually call it a "Hi Power" if that floats your boat.
What I want to know is "Does this new FN High Power perform well?"
If it does, then great! Let people buy it (or not) as they see fit! Just like with any other firearm.
Virtually any other product goes through some forms of change/evolution over its lifetime, and yet nobody gives then a second glance for it! Computers, cars, tools, battery chargers, phones, etc.
But throw a change into a pistol and suddenly people are running around in circles and screaming!
The Ford Mustang has gone through many changes over the years and decades. Heck, even with any given production year, there were various options available which significantly affected appearance and performance.
Pick a laptop brand and model which has been around for a while. Today's version is radically different from those of yesteryear, yet an HP Envy is still an HP Envy and a MacBook Pro i still a MacBook Pro.
Even the venerable 1911 has undergone changes over its century-plus life.
This High Power IS, in fact, a "High Power" because FN SAYS it's a High Power. Don't like it? Well, take comfort in the fact that they don't actually call it a "Hi Power" if that floats your boat.
What I want to know is "Does this new FN High Power perform well?"
If it does, then great! Let people buy it (or not) as they see fit! Just like with any other firearm.
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I do not doubt that the FN High Power is a better piece of machinery than the Browning Hi Power.
It is bigger, heavier, and stouter. More corporate and computer engineered than expert individual designed.
Probably costs less to make on modern machines, too.
I expect them to sell fewer of these than original and copy P35s, it does not have the cachet.
And there is not much of a market for an all metal hammer fired SAO on its own merits. 1911 and CZ/TZ have that sewed up.
It is bigger, heavier, and stouter. More corporate and computer engineered than expert individual designed.
Probably costs less to make on modern machines, too.
I expect them to sell fewer of these than original and copy P35s, it does not have the cachet.
And there is not much of a market for an all metal hammer fired SAO on its own merits. 1911 and CZ/TZ have that sewed up.
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Same here! I wouldn't change a thing (except for those horrible factory thumb rest grips that came with the gun), on my Mk.II as it does just fine as it is right now. The sights are spot on, the trigger is great, the safety works to perfection and the accuracy is flat out the best of any other Hi-Power I have ever used!
Nope, not going to change a thing, (well maybe for these really nice Hogue grips one of my kids got me for Christmas one year)!
Same here! I wouldn't change a thing (except for those horrible factory thumb rest grips that came with the gun), on my Mk.II as it does just fine as it is right now. The sights are spot on, the trigger is great, the safety works to perfection and the accuracy is flat out the best of any other Hi-Power I have ever used!
Nope, not going to change a thing, (well maybe for these really nice Hogue grips one of my kids got me for Christmas one year)!
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P-35
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Hi Power
In the US, FN/Browning has always officially referred to it as "Hi Power" never "High Power".
In any event, FN calling this new pistol "the new High Power" is equivalent to Colt calling the Colt All American 2000....the new Government Model. It ain't.
FN Herstal didn't move to Canada during WWII, the Germans continued to produce the Hi Power as the Pistole 640 (b) in the FN factory.
Some FN employees were already in England, others were spirited away from Belgium as the Germans invaded the Low Countries, and the Allies chose the John Inglis Co of Toronto to produce a copy of the Hi Power. No machinery made the trip.
These Inglis Hi Powers were marked with "Browning FN 9mm HP Inglis Canada" on the left side of the slide" along with the British military model name (Mk I *, No,2MkI*, etc)
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I read of Chinese contract Hi Powers, probably Inglis, but there was a reference to a 10 shot version that I have not seen since.
Is there any gen on that?
Is there any gen on that?
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Good answers offered by OPs, plus conversations here, and even with my LGS. Too, Springer's history is not one of making things from scratch, and past experience has confirmed that they market good stuff. My personal example is really nicely fit and finished, as is my Turk 1911. And the Springer example is not goobered with Cerakote, which can be used to hide mediocre work.
One of life's great mysteries; it seems all sorts of ironmongers (the Chinese, the Filipinos, the Brazilians, the Turks) can make really good 1911s. Is the HiPo design really that much harder to machine than a 1911? Both designs originated in the early 20th century.
The new FN will have to float on its own qualities, but it is a different critter than the old one.
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Argentines knew how to make Excellent Model 35 FN clones. Many years were authorized with machines sold by and set up by FN engineers and they trained the start up staff and kept tabs on them while Argentina paid the License Fees.
If I was made of money I'd get the new High Power and send it to a high end smith to trick it out like Bruce Gray has done for the new Sig P210 , or like Cajun can do for a CZ Shadow . A Shadow Orange is hard to beat across the counter IMHO . They are about same size and shape as the New High Power. The Sig P210 Bruiser guns I have seen are out of this world.
If I was made of money I'd get the new High Power and send it to a high end smith to trick it out like Bruce Gray has done for the new Sig P210 , or like Cajun can do for a CZ Shadow . A Shadow Orange is hard to beat across the counter IMHO . They are about same size and shape as the New High Power. The Sig P210 Bruiser guns I have seen are out of this world.
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Well, to be fair there was a serious hew and cry about the changes to the Mustang from the 1973 to 1974 model year. There were quite a few people that refused to accept a warmed over Pinto as a "Mustang" . . .
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Be that as it may, the brand "Mustang" continued until in time it came back toward the original concept. My ex-wife had a "Mustang II" when we met and she and I started dating. I drove that car a lot, and it was a fun little car. Sure it was no Boss 302 or anything, but it was fun. It would have been more fun with more engine, and a 4 speed, but it was a "chick car" after all. A fun chick car, but a chick car.
Oddly enough, after we got married, we traded it in on a 76 Bronco, which has also been alluded to in this thread I believe.bannockburn: said:
I can live with the Pachmayr grips, the sights on mine are spot on, the gun shoots fine the way they are. The trigger is decent. The best pistolsmith I know of in this area talked me out of machining the slide for new front & rear sights. This white-haired ‘smith knows his stuff, he’s worked on more BHPs over the years than he can keep track of, and of all he did to it was a D.C.O.A. service on it and it’s fine, not the world’s greatest BHP but it’s respectable. You can’t get sight work done on a MKII by a Glock mechanic. Those Hogue grips do look good on your gun.
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Nice gun, but it has been re-blued. Not exactly original.
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The Chinese contract pistols are Inglis - the first P35 from that factory to see mass production. They were with tangent sights to 500 m. and frames with shoulder stock slot, but I don't remember reading anything about 10 shot version in that time frame.
I stand corrected - there were also FN Chinese contract Hi Powers, but still no mention about 10 round magazines. Can't find anything else.
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Nope. That’s the original finish
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That washed out trigger pin hole looks suspicious, as does the rounded bottom edge on the frame. It would not have left Belgium that way. Compare to the first picture. My gun was never fired after leaving the factory. These guns have a rich, lustrous blue, but not the super high luster " Python " blue that your gun has. You have a beautiful gun, don't get me wrong, but I suspect it has been re-blued at some point in its life. Nothing wrong with that !!
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American shooters hunger for the 1911 trigger and high capacity magazines. Striker fired weapons have creepy triggers. They also have the propensity to shoot their owners when holstered. Enough bullet holes have appeared in owners, that after market striker control devices are available. You can Google self shootings with striker fired pistols, and find reports. I promise, for everyone that makes the paper, there are probably 1000 accidental discharges that don't.
I believe the redesign of the FN High Power was to satisfy the shooting communities demands for a single action trigger and high capacity 9mm. And modifying a legacy pistol with brand recognition was smart. Sure it is not identical to the original models, but, at ten feet, who can tell?
Something I want to know, what was the "carry" mode of the original FN High Powers? Was it cocked and locked?, was it round in chamber hammer down,? or was it magazine in gun, nothing in chamber?. I am of the opinion it was probably nothing in chamber in cantonment. In the combat zone, round in chamber, hammer down. Today the pistol has been modified with long safeties so the cocked and locked types can play quick draw games.
Last week at the local gun store, a clerk told me of someone he knew, whose cocked and locked 1911 went off in the barber's chair. The FN does not have a grip safety, so will knocking the safety, and then having clothing snag the trigger, cause an accidental discharge? Do the new designs have a firing pin block? . If the hammer receives a blow, the sear surfaces shear, is there a firing pin block which will prevent accidental discharge?
I believe the redesign of the FN High Power was to satisfy the shooting communities demands for a single action trigger and high capacity 9mm. And modifying a legacy pistol with brand recognition was smart. Sure it is not identical to the original models, but, at ten feet, who can tell?
Something I want to know, what was the "carry" mode of the original FN High Powers? Was it cocked and locked?, was it round in chamber hammer down,? or was it magazine in gun, nothing in chamber?. I am of the opinion it was probably nothing in chamber in cantonment. In the combat zone, round in chamber, hammer down. Today the pistol has been modified with long safeties so the cocked and locked types can play quick draw games.
Last week at the local gun store, a clerk told me of someone he knew, whose cocked and locked 1911 went off in the barber's chair. The FN does not have a grip safety, so will knocking the safety, and then having clothing snag the trigger, cause an accidental discharge? Do the new designs have a firing pin block? . If the hammer receives a blow, the sear surfaces shear, is there a firing pin block which will prevent accidental discharge?
General Geoff
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Firing pin block was added to the design for Mark III FN Hi-Powers (circa 1988). The Girsan MC P35 also has one since it is a clone of the Mark III. The new FN pistol almost certainly has one.
Any course of events that both toggles the manual safety off AND yanks the trigger inadvertently, is a flaw with carry style and holster type. Any holster used for public carry simply must envelope and protect the entirety of the trigger guard to be safe.
If a gun discharges when the safety is disengaged and the trigger pulled, well, that gun is functioning correctly. User error is to blame if that happens when not intended.
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True... but there are still aspects people can argue with that.
What about today's Mustang is anything like the original '65? 2.3 L/5.0 L vs 170/200/289 CID? 10 speed automatic/6 speed manual vs C4 automatic/3-4 speed manual? Disc brakes all around vs drum all around with optional front disc?
If you took away the Mustang name and nod to the modern Mustang styling, there's nothing about the 2022 Mustang that's anything like the originals.
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