New followers for hi cap mags?

[larryh1108]

If this hi cap magazine ban goes thru, what do we all do with our hi cap magazines? I seriously doubt they will grandfather them if they get the votes needed to ban them since there are millions and millions of them out there plus there is no way to know when they were made.

My question is with the +10 pistol mags. I have some BHPs and CZs and I have no desire to go out and buy 10 round mags at a premium price. Can't an aftermarket company like Pearce or Hogue make a new follower for these mags that restricts the amount of rounds you can insert (being thicker/taller)? I'd rather buy a $6 follower to be used in my already reliable magazines than spend $40 or more for the new mags that are unproven in my guns. I like many mags per gun, not 1 or 2. That's just me.

I know some companies make the follower thinner to accept another round or two. I see no reason why they can't make them thicker to allow less rounds and do it cheaply.

Thoughts?

 

[mg.mikael]

"If this hi cap magazine ban goes thru"....:banghead: what ban?

I'm so tired of these dang "predict the future" questions, if I knew the future don't you think I would have won the Lotto already? Seriously, nobody knows if there will even be an AWB let alone what any sort of bill (if written) would entail.

Also, there's many of this type of thread already in existence so use the search function.

 

[mljdeckard]

How is is possible to explain a law which has not yet been written?

 

[smalls]

I seriously doubt they will grandfather them if they get the votes needed to ban them

That's not the way it works. They either ban them, and pay you for them, or they grandfather then in.

I'd rather buy a $6 follower to be used in my already reliable magazines

If you replace the springs/followers you no longer know if they are reliable. You start from box 1 retesting their reliability.

And none of us gave a crystal ball, we have no idea what's going to pass. Stop speculating.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

 

[Fryerpower]

See post #7 in this thread:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=691396&highlight=aluminum+rivet+magazine+canada

The Canadian poster stated that in Canada they put in a pop rivet to limit 30 round magazines to 5 rounds. If I had a magazine to convert, I would love to be able to do it that way. Aluminum pop rivets are easy to drill out if the SHTF and really bad things were happening.

 

[mgmorden]

If a law goes through it'll likely work the same way the old one did - all existing mags are grandfathered and new ones will be required by law to be marked as having been produced after the law went into effect. Possession of such a "post-ban" marked magazine will be illegal.

 

[larryh1108]

Seriously, you guys?
You don't think about potential problems until they hit you in the face?

I get it, we pretend they won't do anything because, well, they never have.

When we wake up one morning and see they passed a ban of some sort we can then figure out what to do. Makes sense! Why look at possible solutions to things that haven't happened yet. Yeah, why didn't I think of that! Brilliant!

Geesh.

Seriously, nobody knows if there will even be an AWB let alone what any sort of bill (if written) would entail.

Also, there's many of this type of thread already in existence so use the search function.

I'm sorry, I looked for but didn't see any mention of an AWB. You seem to read as well as you post.

Better yet, you can just pass over any thread that irritates you and don't bother to leave a comment. It wasn't helpful, anyways. Just more burying your head in the sand stuff. If we don't talk about it, it won't happen. Yeah, that's it. We got this figured out.

 

[mgmorden]

Seriously, you guys?
You don't think about potential problems until they hit you in the face?

All actions must be measured. Its prudent to prepare for winter if you live in Canada. It's not prudent to prepare for an invasion by aliens, because it ain't exactly something thats likely to happen.

By the same token, a renewal of the AWB (which is almost surely the way that any magazine cap laws would come to pass) is HIGHLY unlikely to retroactively affect existing magazines, hence there's not much fear regarding our existing ones.

Any effort is better spent on rallying against the legislation in the first place rather than needlessly coming up with schemes on how to neuter your mags.

 

[JTQ]

Remember we had one of those on the past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

The key points of that ban...

During the period when the AWB was in effect, it was illegal to manufacture any firearm that met the law's flowchart of an assault weapon or large capacity ammunition feeding device, except for export or for sale to a government or law enforcement agency. The law also banned possession of illegally imported or manufactured firearms, but did not ban possession or sale of pre-existing 'assault weapons' or previously factory standard magazines that were legally redefined as large capacity ammunition feeding devices. This provision for pre-ban firearms created higher prices in the market for such items, which still exist due to several states adopting their own assault weapons ban.

 

[mg.mikael]

I'm sorry, I looked for but didn't see any mention of an AWB. You seem to read as well as you post.

So I'm assuming you didn't see all the posts about the Fienstein AWB bill and every other thread posted as of recently.

No need to get so pissy.

You don't think about potential problems until they hit you in the face?

No point speculating......because it's not fact.

 

[BSA1]

It is discouraging to read some many gun owners are convinced that it is impossible to stop further gun restrictions.

There is the more likely option that any additional gun control laws will not gain enough support for anything to change for the worse and the role of the gun for self-defense will become more accepted. Consider that;

Gun owners will turn off the naysayer on THR that are convinced that some restrictions on gun ownership are impossible to stop.

Gun owners will turn off the naysayer on other forums that are convinced that some restrictions on gun ownership are impossible to stop.

Gun owners will turn off the naysayer on the media such as TV that are using a full court press to convince the public that some restrictions on gun ownership are necessary to protect children and impossible to stop.

Talk radio and the Internet will effectively counter the governments and mass media misinformation campaign.

The majority of people will examine the effect of the Clinton AWB ban 1994 – 2004 and conclude it did not have the effect on reducing crime as the media would have us to believe.

The majority of people will realize that the proposed gun control bans are just more of the same failed policies in the past.

The vast legalization of CCW in most states have made many voters to realize S.D. is a personal responsibily.

Mass shootings such as Columbine and malls prove the police are totally ineffective in responding in time to prevent the damage caused by the shooters.

The presence of a armed citizen at the scene has prevented many injuries and deaths.

Gun owners are our own worse enemies.

Want to avoid having to do with your high cap magazines? Get involved politically.

 

[smalls]

Gun owners will turn off the naysayer on THR that are convinced that some restrictions on gun ownership are impossible to stop.

It's not that we think it can't happen. Anything we sit here and guess about us just speculation. What's the point of that? We run around in circles and rumors about what's NOT actually happen get passed as truth.

Stay prudent, contact your representatives, but lets not play chicken little.

 

[Zeke/PA]

High Cap Mags?
Keep,'em, use 'em as Dianne's crap ain't goin' nowhere.
Personally with my two autos,( Beretta M96, Ruger P 95) I REALLY don't see a need for a 15 rd Mag.
I have Hi-Cap mags for an M-1 Carbine and for my Sar-1 which I rarely use.
BUT: High Cap Mags AIN'T the problem and banning them, ain't gonna fix SQUAT!

 

[BSA1]

Stay prudent, contact your representatives, but lets not play chicken little.

Amen brother!

At this same time 68 years ago the war in Europe was going well for the Allies. France and several small countries had been liberated Allied forces closing on the Rhine when Hitler launched a powerful offensive known as the Battle of the Bulge. The German successes on the battlefield was smashed by General Patton’s 3rd Army, stubborn Allied resistance such as Bastogne and counterattacks such as bombing.

Ike and Patton knew wars are not won by being defensive or by one battle. How much different the war in Europe would have been if the Allied high command had decided the Germans were too powerful and had surrendered?

Today the situation is not unlike the Battle of the Bulge. Pro-gunners have won major victories with concealed carry legal in most states and in the Supreme Court. Suddenly in the face of the anti-gunners assault gun owners what to negotiate a surrender.

The advantage is ours and our 2A rights will not be preserved by being defensive.

 

[larryh1108]

Any effort is better spent on rallying against the legislation in the first place rather than needlessly coming up with schemes on how to neuter your mags.

I'm sorry but I can multi-task. I'm sorry you can't.
I am and will lobby to fight this. However, I am not going to assume that all will be well.

What is that saying? We use it here (forums) all the time.
"Plan for the worst but hope for the best".
SO excuse me if I wish to look at all my options up front.

With the logic I see here, you guys are all saying we shouldn't carry or have a gun in our nightstand.
Why?
Well, nothing has happened yet so why waste your time planning for something that will probably never happen? That is exactly what you are saying as you bury your heads in the sand saying nothing will happen because, well, just because you said so. You have positive thinking. You KNOW they won't go after anything because it is wrong. It has proven to be ineffective so they wouldn't dare take anything from us.

Okay, and I'm the tooth fairy.

So, don't look at options in case they pass a hi cap ban on magazines. Nevermind that I live in CT and there is huge noise about passing their own hi cap mag ban for pistols like CA and MA already have. Yes, Several states already have this ban but I guess it isn't possible because the wise people here say it can't happen.

As I see it, we have a better chance of having our rights reduced than by being attacked by an attacker where we need to use deadly force so why bother carrying? Spend your energy on trying to get these thugs off the street instead. That's the PC thing to say, right?

So many people here have gotten so full of themselves.

Ask a simple question and get lectured and called a fool for negative thinking. Treating me like I am anti-gun.

You guys need to look in the mirror and go out and do something for protecting our rights instead of wasting your time posting PC answers to questions that weren't asked. Go volunteer at an NRA fundraiser. Do something more productive than wasting your time and energy here. Don't like it? Well, that's the same crappy answers I got from you guys. It also applies to you as well.

 

[LordDunsany]

When I see dark clouds on the horizon, and hear thunder in the distance, I prepare for a storm.

Even if the weathermen say 'no rain today'.

Those who fail to observe and think on what they see and hear will be found wanting when bad things come to pass.

Ron in Texas

 

[tryshoot]

Tell that to the Peoples Republic of **********.

 

[JTQ]

larryh1108,

Lets assume they have a standard capacity mag ban as they had in the past. They did not confiscate the already sold/purchased/owned standard capacity mags. Certainly, it is possible the "Government" could come to your door and ask for your standard capacity mags, but that is extremely unlikely. I'm pretty sure it has never happened in the history of the United States.

On the other hand, it is certainly possible, especially in a state like Connecticut, that you would not be able to buy standard capacity magazines. That is something probably worth worrying about. You may want to spend your time and money stocking up on standard capacity mags rather than contemplating how to create a follower to reduce the capacity of the mags you already own.

 

[larryh1108]

Thanks JTQ and the few others who did offer their opinion on the question asked.

It is a real threat in CT. MA and CA have the same problem with hi cap mags. However, I don't only carry 2 or 3 mags per gun. I have quite a few. I like to have a lot of mags for my pistols. I guess I can go out and buy a bunch of 10 round BHP mags and sell the hi cap 13 rounders if I need to but I don't want to do it if no new law restricts them and if I wait to see they'll double the price of the 10 rounders. It's a catch 22.

I was just looking for thoughts and ideas of those who have some foresight. I do believe a follower to limit capacity would be a good "invention" for someone who can produce them. I'd even sell them for the maker!

 

[JTQ]

I guess I can go out and buy a bunch of 10 round BHP mags and sell the hi cap 13 rounders...

Don't do that.

If there is a ban on standard capacity mags, the standard capacity mags you already own with be worth quite a bit more than they are worth now. There is no advantage to buying 10 round BHP mags now, unless it makes counting the rounds you've shot easier.

Nobody will come and take your standard capacity mags (OK it is possible, but it's never happened before), but it may become harder to buy them in the future. Buy the standard capacity mags now, not the 10 rounders.

 

[larryh1108]

OK, I my need help on the MA and CA laws. Are the +10 mags banned totally or can you keep the standard capacity mags if they were "pre ban"? I thought it was illegal to have any hi cap mags in MA and CA, period. However, I could easily be wrong.

 

[smalls]

They never came and rounded up the preban mags, so if you had them prior to the AWB, you could keep them. Transferring, or acquiring new ones may be a different story.

 

[garyvale]

In California, possession of "pre-ban" magazines are allowed. One of the quirks of the law is that you may posses new large capacity magazine rebuild kits containing all the parts, but if you assemble them, it is a felony. Go figure....

 

[mgmorden]

In California, possession of "pre-ban" magazines are allowed. One of the quirks of the law is that you may posses new large capacity magazine rebuild kits containing all the parts, but if you assemble them, it is a felony. Go figure....

Kinda makes sense. Granted its also kinda stupid in that anyone can order these and assemble a "kit" (even though they're breaking the law), but what it does allow from my understanding is people who have existing hi-caps that are damaged or faulty to "repair" them.

The mag body is considered a part and only the assembled whole is a magazine, so if you've got an el-cheapo ProMag or something that's technically a grandfathered hicap but is pretty much junk, you can buy a "repair" kit with a factory mag tube and swap it out so that you turn a junk hi-cap into a good one.

Its definitely a legal grey area though.

Another kinda grey area is that 9mm rounds will usually feed fine out of a .40 S&W magazine, but you can fit around 12 9mm rounds in a .40S&W mag. Technically the mag is legal, but would you be breaking the law if you put more than 10 rounds of a different cartridge in it?