The price looks low, not that that's bad however it looks light.
Is it secure and fire resistant?
http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/cannon-safe-valley-forge-series-24-gun-safe#repChildCatid=3492176
$399 does not seem expensive. What is it missing?
But here is the craziest part...I consider 1/4-inches of armor plate(s) as the bare minimum for LOW security (i.e., hand tool attacks)
agreed, that was my thought process when purchasing. Will it keep out everyone?? no of course not, but will it keep out the vast majority of snatch and run burglars?? Id bet on it.1/4" sides...? Thats "low" level protection?
That is crazy.
The average thief isnt bringing in 3ft pry bars or power tools unless they know you have a safe and are targeting you for it.
They're not bringing in those kind of tools on the off chance they may stumble upon a safe.
Does it happen? Sure
Is it the M.O. of the average home burglar, No.
ive never seen quick snatch and grab robbers bring a professional electric dolly like that, but if they knew that you had a safe then I'm sure they would bring one, but then again if they knew you had one then they probably have been planning it out and then no longer fit into the quick snatch and grab robber category? Not saying it hasn't happened but just think it won't be done by the common jackass that goes for electronics and light valuables and then stares right into the security camera on the way out, but yes if you have it cheapest lock you could find on a stack on security "cabinet" then youre definitely screwedYou think you are "safe" from quick snatch and grab robbers with an inexpensive lock box at 338 pounds? You get what you pay for.
I say one man can be in and out with your Cannon box in less than 10 minutes.
He takes it to his house where he can pop it open at his leisure.
You guys are thinking someone is going to open it on premises.
I say they are more likely to take the whole deal and go some where else to pop it open.
With 2 or 3 guys? Gone in 60 seconds.
It is kept upstairs you say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO6FJQoi0H8
Cant move it without a pallet jack you say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO6FJQoi0H8
They cant possibly get my lockbox into a pick up truck?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO6FJQoi0H8
You might save your money and get something more substantial.
Or buy this one as a decoy for your real safe.
Do some homework... You get what you pay for.
oh idk any of the specs for the cannon so im sure you're right, I was just kind of talking in general about cheaper (not cheap) safes in 5-800 range. Was just saying that you can get one that isnt $2500 and 1k lbs and still have some protection for the vast majority of burglars if you take the proper steps (bolted, added weight, difficult to get to, fire rated, alarm etc.) but hey if someone can afford it then by all means, i know i will eventuallyYeah I thought it was a cool video though for a MUCH heavier safe. Your right, an electric dolly is not at all needed for a 300 pounder. In fact I still say one guy can do it quickly by simply pushing it down the stairs. Why not? Not the bandit's house, the faster the better. Get in, get out and leave.
The point is, the Cannon is insufficient unless you simply want to keep your kids out of it. It wont protect in a house fire, it is not water proof so when the fire truck comes and sprays it with water, you have instant steam inside which means instant rust, it is easily defeated, and it is portable.
I am no expert, there are some safe experts on this forum. If you ask nicely, they will direct you to a real safe and local supplier and explain why a quality safes with professional installation is the way to go.
Good luck!!!
All of your links go to the same video.You think you are "safe" from quick snatch and grab robbers with an inexpensive lock box at 338 pounds? You get what you pay for.
I say one man can be in and out with your Cannon box in less than 10 minutes.
He takes it to his house where he can pop it open at his leisure.
You guys are thinking someone is going to open it on premises.
I say they are more likely to take the whole deal and go some where else to pop it open.
With 2 or 3 guys? Gone in 60 seconds.
It is kept upstairs you say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO6FJQoi0H8
Cant move it without a pallet jack you say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO6FJQoi0H8
They cant possibly get my lockbox into a pick up truck?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO6FJQoi0H8
You might save your money and get something more substantial.
Or buy this one as a decoy for your real safe.
Do some homework... You get what you pay for.
How good is your $2500 safe when the guy comes in when you are there, puts a gun to your wife's head and says "Open it".
1/4" sides...? Thats "low" level protection?
That is crazy.
The average thief isnt bringing in 3ft pry bars or power tools unless they know you have a safe and are targeting you for it.
They're not bringing in those kind of tools on the off chance they may stumble upon a safe.
Does it happen? Sure
Is it the M.O. of the average home burglar, No.
agreed, that was my thought process when purchasing. Will it keep out everyone?? no of course not, but will it keep out the vast majority of snatch and run burglars?? Id bet on it.
Add that i have a safe alarm and a home alarm plus it's bolted down. With the alarm going off im doubting that they'll have time to start hacking away at it or pull it out of the concrete and then rip out 3 door frames to get it out of the nearest exit.
so you don't always need the biggest and baddest if you take some other precautions to go with it.
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definitely agree with that but our kind of whole point was the average snatch and grab robber isn't going to have all that. How many quick get away robbers carry a fire ax or even basic hand tools beyond a pry bar at most? Not very many cuz they're trying to get in and out quickly.Yes, I consider 1/4 inch as low-level protection and the entry point to rely upon for limited protection from an attack. If one wants burglary protection, I think they should try for that as minimum armor. And truthfully, this is still only modest protection, but it can resist an attack with hand tools far better than the 1/8-1/12 inch side walls seen with most gun safes.
A RSC certification means that a safe (built to certain standards) is attacked AT THE FRONT by ONE person, for FIVE minutes, using basic hand tools only. If the safe can withstand the attack for five minutes, and it is built to minimum construction standards, it is awarded the label.
Now, consider how most RSC safes use a side wall with less than half the armor of the front. How long do you think that safe is going to hold out? Especially at a time when criminals are aware of the vulnerabilities of gun safes, and there are tons of videos showing how easy they are to defeat?
A fire axe will destroy most gun safes in no time. Heck you can even beat through a 12 gauge wall with a hammer. All the placement and bolting in the world can't compensate for a lack of armor, IMO.
Ultimately, it comes down to what the owner wants, and the above is my personal opinion.
How good is your $2500 safe when the guy comes in when you are there, puts a gun to your wife's head and says "Open it". A lower priced safe is like your front door lock. It is meant to keep basically honest people and amateurs out. It is lots better than putting your guns under your bed or in the closet. I have a Cannon and a Fort Knox. Both have served me well. Some folks say they are locked steel cabinets, OK. They are what I could afford.
definitely agree with that but our kind of whole point was the average snatch and grab robber isn't going to have all that. How many quick get away robbers carry a fire ax or even basic hand tools beyond a pry bar at most? Not very many cuz they're trying to get in and out quickly.
If someone breaks a window and jumps in to start getting jewelery, money, electronics, etc. and comes across the safe, i highly doubt that they're going to have any tools with them to get it open in any reasonable amount of time. But of course they could always come back a few days later with help and tools but that's a different story and doesnt fall into the snatch and grab guys.
Just saying that yes absolutely a smaller lighter safe can be stolen but i don't think from the vast majority of burglars if you take simple steps.
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True, why bother if you have a sawzall and a angle grinder in your garage, let alone a prybar and hand sledge?i highly doubt that they're going to have any tools with them