New information on confiscation in New Orleans

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Notwithstanding the provisions of this Section, except in an imminent life threatening situation nothing herein shall restrict any uniformed employee of a licensed private security company, acting within the scope of employment, from entering and remaining in an area where an emergency has been declared. The provisions of this Subsection shall apply if the licensed private security company submits a list of employees and their assignment to be allowed into the area, to the Louisiana State Board of Private Security Examiners, which shall forward the list to the chief law enforcement office of the parish and, if different, the agency in charge of the scene. - Al Norris
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You have made a point, but do you see how ludicrous this provision is? It would be one more case where dumb laws, the compulsion to control (all power to the state), and bureaucracy get in the way of doing common sense things in times of emergency. A rent-a-cop and his agency has greater privilege than a property owner. The law enforcement office of the parish is all seeing and all knowing, and the property-owning citizen is always subordinate.
 
Jeez! Talk about killing the messenger.

Look, I never said any of this is right. What I said is that it was legal. And until a court strikes it down, it will continue to be legal.

All I've seen and read on this and other forums os how all of this stuff was unconstitutional. Well, is it? Where is the SCOTUS cite that says so?

There have been several rulings in recent years by the SCOTUS that I thought were just ridiculous. But because the Court ruled, it was the law of the land. Don't like it? Change it. Either through the system, or get off your duffs and use force... And you know what that means.... At least I would hope you do.

I have been asking the question, "Is It Time Yet?" for way too many years now. And poeple like you guys keep saying, "Not yet." So don't go castigating me, for simply reporting that what "they" are doing is perfectly legal.

Don't like it? You know what needs to be done to change it.
 
Sent to Governor Perdue just now, after speaking to his staff:

Dear Governor Perdue:

As a lifelong gun owner, NRA life member, and registered Republican from Sandy Springs, I was shocked to read the following on a pro-Second Amendment website this AM [http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=155441&page=1&pp=25]:

Just got off the phone with the Governor's office here in Georgia. It is the position of Governor Sonny Perdue's administration that if the Georgia National Guard Troops are ordered to confiscate firearms from law abiding citizens, in direct violation of the 2nd Amendment, that's just hunky dory with him. I quote the interesting portion of the conversation here:


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Sir, if that is what they are charged with, then that is what they will do.



Me: You are aware of the issue of those rights being protected by the US Constitution?


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Sir, the situation warrants extreme measures.



Me: This is the position of the Governor?


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Yes sir.



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Governor Perdue, please advise immediately if this is your official position. Also, if it is not your official position, I strongly suggest that your staff clarify your support for the Second Amendment and the rest of the Bill of Rights on this website and throughout the communities of law-abiding gunowners across the great state of Georgia.

Your constituents are watching, sir.

I thank you in advance for the courtesy of your immediate reply.

Peter White
 
I also sent a message to Governor Perdue through his website. As a constituent and someone who voted for him last election I am very concerned about this stance. I'm hoping that this was a confused staffer that made this stupid comment and this isn't the actual stance of the governor.
 
>If SCOTUS had any credibility, this forum woud probably be pretty quiet.

nah, we'd go back to talking about "zombie this" and "tactical that"

atek3
 
I'm curious what will happen once they run out of people that will evacuate without putting up a fight. I saw a clip earlier, maybe it was posted on THR too, of a lawyer holed up in his house with plenty of food and supplies. He was beyond pissed about the police coming to take him. He said the only way he is leaving is if he's dead and that if they come in there will be shooting.
 
Contacted my governors office about 30 minutes ago. They denied any knowlege as expected. I told them where to look and requested answers:

Are any New Mexico troops or LEOs involved?
Are our troops or LEOs enabling others to commit these violations?

What is an elected official (sheriff of Bernallio county)from this state doing, involved in the operation at all? If performing there how is he maintaining status here in regards to his office?

Also requested that one way or another that Gov.Richardson publish an official position. Given his obvious presidential aspirations, it would behoove him to get smart.

I eagerly await a reply

Sam
 
None of us here have heard back from our Govs office. There are a great number of people who have taken a particular interest in his stance sonce the LDS Church tells its members that they should store enough suplies to sustain them for a year. And a great number of Utahn's include weapons as part of theat plan, be it for protection or hunting.

It should be very interesting to see if the Gov comes out in favor of or against our basic rights. Against could be interpeted as going aginst the Church's guidance. Maybe he knows that and thats why our Gov is not saying anything and dodging the issue.
 
beerslurpy -- The upside of this is that the NRA and GOA are going to have greatly renewed political clout as word about this whole debacle begins to make the water cooler rounds.
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I'm not so sure about that. Read the messages posted in this forum attacking the NRA for not taking whatever irrational or impulsive action each writer holds dearest to his heart at that moment. "Tactics" and "strategy" seem alien concepts to many gun owners who post on the Internet.
 
Read the messages posted in this forum attacking the NRA for not taking whatever irrational or impulsive action each writer holds dearest to his heart at that moment. "Tactics" and "strategy" seem alien concepts to many gun owners who post on the Internet.
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Well, the press didn't have any trouble going to court and winning so that they weren't shut out from covering body recovery efforts. It really depends upon which rights the system values.

The black leadership isn't bashful about yelling when there is the slightest implication of racial bias. Often ludricous, yes, but often not. They DO know how to get some attention, and they have the voting block to back it up.
 
Well, the press didn't have any trouble going to court and winning so that they weren't shut out from covering body recovery efforts. It really depends upon which rights the system values.
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First, let's get the facts straight on this subject.

1) The federal government ASKED (not ordered) that media not photograph dead bodies giving the rationale that they did not want family members to see their loved ones bloated corpse on the evening news.
2) The federal government said the press could not come along on rescue missions because there was no space
3) A lower level federal muckety-muck stated the press would be denied ANY access to rescue or recovery basis, prompting #4
4) CNN threatened to file suit in federal court if they were denied ALL access.
5) The Feds met with CNN and reached a settlement where points 1 and 2 still stand; but if the reporters can get there on their own, they can do whatever they want.

So, CNN never went to court and it is questionable what exactly they won besides slapping down a midlevel federal employee who plainly overstepped his authority (not that this isn't fun to see regardless).

In this situation we really don't have as many facts as we would like. We have a couple of videos/news reports showing police confiscating weapons. We have a couple of videos/news reports showing police NOT confiscating weapons. We have a statement from the New Orleans PD chief that seems to fit the "plainly overstepping his authority category".

CNN was able to get a rapid settlement because there is ample case law on the First Amendment and none of it supports what the mid-level fed employee was trying to sell. The NRA has a much tougher task because they have to deal with a lot of negative publicity even when they do positive things like Eddie Eagle. They also have to first figure out exactly what IS happening in New Orleans and because they don't have near the case law or the clear cut precedent to support their legal arguments.

The black leadership isn't bashful about yelling when there is the slightest implication of racial bias. Often ludricous, yes, but often not. They DO know how to get some attention, and they have the voting block to back it up.
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And that is what it is all about right there... when people start voting like civil rights (including firearms) are important to them, politicians will start respecting them.
 
Before the black caucus starts railing on the Pres too much, they need to look at that ignorant pair of bufoons that run the show down there.

This might come in handy for those in search of some truth to what happened before the storm.

Following is a post from a fellow over in Merritt Is, FL, a reporter who's been researching what went on before the storm hit:



I think all of Mayor Nagin's pomp and posturing is going to bite him hard in the near future as the lies and distortions of his interviews are coming to light. (Mayor Nagin claimed when the National guard arrived, the men were sitting around playing cards and would not respond to his pleas for help in evacuation.)



On Friday night before the storm hit Max Mayfield of the National Hurricane Center took the unprecedented action of calling Nagin and Blanco personally to plead with them to begin MANDATORY evacuation of New Orleans and they said they'd take it under consideration. This was after the NOAA buoy 240 miles south had recorded 68' waves before it was destroyed.



President Bush spent Friday afternoon and evening in meetings with his advisors and administrators drafting all of the paperwork required for a state to request federal assistance (and not be in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act or having to enact the Insurgency Act). Just before midnight Friday evening the President called Governor Blanco and pleaded with her to sign the request papers so the federal government and the military could legally begin mobilization and call up. He was told that they didn't think it necessary for the federal government to be involved yet. After the President's final call to the governor she held meetings with her staff to discuss the political ramifications of bringing federal forces. It was decided that if they allowed federal assistance it would make it look as if they had failed so it was agreed upon that the feds would not be invited in.



Saturday before the storm hit the President again called Blanco and Nagin requesting they please sign the papers requesting federal assistance, that they declare the state an emergency area, and begin mandatory evacuation. After a personal plea from the President Nagin agreed to order an evacuation, but it would not be a full mandatory evacuation, and the governor still refused to sign the papers requesting and authorizing federal action. In frustration the President declared the area a national disaster area before the state of Louisiana did so he could legally begin some advanced preparations. Rumor has it that the President's legal advisers were looking into the ramifications of using the insurgency act to bypass the Constitutional requirement that a state request federal aid before the federal government can move into state with troops - but that had not been done since 1906 and the Constitutionality of it was called into question to use before the disaster.



Throw in that over half the federal aid of the past decade to New Orleans for levee construction, maintenance, and repair was diverted to fund a marina and support the gambling ships. Toss in the investigation that will look into why the emergency preparedness plan submitted to the federal government for funding and published on the city's website was never implemented and in fact may have been bogus for the purpose of gaining additional federal funding as we now learn that the organizations identified in the plan were never contacted or coordinating into any planning - though the document implies that they were.



The suffering people of New Orleans need to be asking some hard questions as do we all, but they better start with why Blanco refused to even sign the multi-state mutual aid pack activation documents until Wednesday which further delayed the legal deployment of National Guard from adjoining states. Or maybe ask why Nagin keeps harping that the President should have commandeered 500 Greyhound busses to help him when according to his own emergency plan and documents he claimed to have over 500 busses at his disposal to use between the local school busses and the city transportation busses - but he never raised a finger to prepare them or activate them.



This is a sad time for all of us to see that a major city has all but been destroyed and thousands of people have died with hundreds of thousands more suffering, but it's certainly not a time for people to be pointing fingers and trying to find a bigger dog to blame for local corruption and incompetence. Pray to God for the survivors that they can start their lives anew as fast as possible and we learn from all the mistakes to avoid them in the future.
 
Here is an article that details the various problems at multiple levels in the response to Katrina. It's titled "How Bush Blew It", which after reading is not an accurate title - they all blew it, and in fairness he seemed to do a pretty good job once he had the information he needed to take action. Normally I'd post the article, but it's 5 pages long and I don't have time.
 
I didn't read all the replies so forgive me if someone has made this point, but one of the lessons here is to keep some guns hidden. Put them under ground or some place a quick door to door search will miss. That way you can go an arm yourself immediately.
 
Put them under ground or some place a quick door to door search will miss. That way you can go an arm yourself immediately.
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That is the chickenpoop way out. That, doing that, having to do that, suggesting to do that, HIDE YOUR GUNS, means its not a right anymore. :cuss:
 
Don't hide all of em. Just the one that's the most accurate and will penetrate level III body armor. :scrutiny:
 
After Watching

the vidio of the elder woman on the "locked" thread.
two more points need to be made:
1. if you don't want the law in your house do not open the door for them.
2. if you plan to defend yourself with a revolver do not hold it with your hand around the cyclinder.
 
What if they come with a checklist of registered guns? I thought about getting an FFL just to own a decent tactical rifle, but what good would it do?
 
What if they come with a checklist of registered guns? I thought about getting an FFL just to own a decent tactical rifle, but what good would it do?
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Well, there are a couple of things to consider with regards to that. First you can look at England and Australia where they have centralized registration. They have used that registration there to attempt to confiscate firearms but the compliance rate has been very low. The estimates I've seen suggest that only 10-40% of people complied with the orders and that the government really hasn't done anything to follow up on it. Canada has had much the same problem and even has an organization that touts that they are all owners of unregistered firearms that challenges gun control.

Now these are places with centralized registration. The U.S. does not have centralized registration. Each FFL keeps his own records until he goes out of business and the records are primarily on paper (4473s). Furthermore, this only records the purchaser from the FFL and no subsequent private sales. Even in the worst case scenario of an incredibly efficient federal government operating under ideal conditions for them, they aren't going to get anywhere near the compliance rate of England or Australia.

In a New Orleans type scenario, I'd doubt they could pull it off at all. They wouldn't even know where to start on gathering records, let alone trying to go door-to-door finding them.
 
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