New Jersey Handguns

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Gordon, you'd never recognize the place today. Ft. Monmouth is mostly shut down and Old Bridge is a big housing development. There's some space left in Ocean county, but you'd have to go pretty far south to see areas like they were back in the 60s.

I re-read this and realize that I've become my father!
 
Gordon, I met Austin Behlert in the early 70s when he had his shop in Kenilworth. He did make some impressive pieces. His craftsmanship and ideas were way ahead of the times then. I saw he died in October 2005.

This is not really off post as if there is anyone who should be associated with NJ handguns it's Austin Behlert.
 
New Jersey?

That is just scarey. Maybe it's because they are next to New York, which is even scarier. Guns are illegal there for U.S. citizens, it seems. When did these two renegade states decide the U.S. constitution did not apply to them? Why don't their citizens revolt, and discard illegal laws and politicians? This is our duty, according to the Declaration of Independence. If we don't fight corrupt government, it will surely destroy us, because it is no longer run by the governed, but by greedy, power hungry politicians.

Why does one see, over and over, the theme of New York City dwellers refusing to help law enforcement with eye witness reports? Because they are afraid to stand up, and who can blame them? They can't protect themselves; only the criminals have guns. Go west, ladies and gentlemen. Leave the east to crooks (lawyers and politcians, whom nurish the criminal element). At least one can own a gun in California, if you are not a felon. Back east, you can't own a squirt gun if you are a watermelon.

wildburp
 
Meh, guns aren't illegal, per se. They just make you jump through hell and high water in gasoline drawers while shackled at the ankles to get them.

I grew up throughout the south and ended up in New Jersey for highschool and college. Throughout the years, I realized how corrupt the state was and that the ones with purse strings run the state. It's a Soccer Mom Republic...anything that doesn't fit into the utopian ideal of the Leave It To Beaver days is shunned. So, IMO, they say it's too costly to try and prevent our citizens from arming themselves, but we can make it expensive and inconvienient.

Cmon, we're talking about a state where you can't pump your own gas (by law) and where 80% of the population probably doesn't know how to operate a gas pump.
 
Last I knew, it was illegal to buy a pair of drawers on Sunday. I love NJ....in my rear view mirror. Raised in the MeadowLands with most of the family still there.
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Okay, that's it...

And we wonder why we're Jay Leno's favorite state. The sad fact is that it's all true. Don't you all feel so much better now about where you live?!? I think I'll head over to the UHAUL. The Aleutians must be nice this time of year.:D
 
East vs. West?
Forgive the newbie speaking out of turn here, but let me add something here.
I live on the border between the aforementioned relatively free commonwealth of VA and the state of Maryland, which only recently stopped pushing for a universal ballistic registry. (Plus DC is next door, but we all know that place is a train wreck...)

Anyone who's been paying attention for the last couple weeks could tell you that VA is singlehandedly responsible for giving the Senate majority - and thus the majority of both houses - to the Democrats. And it was close - razor thin - Jim Webb won by about 8000 votes.

There are still large numbers of people down here who are in full favor of preserving 2nd ammendment rights. NJ's already done - but the fight is still going on here. We're the line in the sand. IMO the best thing NJ gun owners could do is follow ChiefThunderStick's example and move down here - then we could swing the vote back the other way.

As an aside, it's interesting living right on the border... people in VA (fairly gun friendly) tend to be fairly polite, but you go into DC or Maryland and immediately start running into complete jerks.
 
In some respects things have gotten slightly (very slightly) over the years in NJ. 30 years ago they let local jurisdictions be very discriminating as to how and to who they issued pistol permits. Let me cite an example.

My brother used to live in a larger city in North Jersey. The biggest crime he ever committed was 45 in a 35 zone. He wanted to buy a pistol. In order to do so you had to:

1. Come at a certain time to the PD to pick up the application.
2. Drop off the application at a certain time.
3. Come back to the PD to be fingerprinted.
4. Your two references you listed had to come to the PD for an interviews.
5. You had to come to be interviewed.
6. You had to list a reason you wanted a handgun.
7. If all was approved you had to come down to the PD to pick up your permit to purchase.

There was 7 trips to the PD (by apointment and scheduled 9-5 normal business hours. This made it almost impossible for most people to take off from work to do this.

At the same time I lived in a rural area. Stopped at the PD, didn't know anyone, not a LEO at the time. I filled out the permit and asked how long it would take expecting 2-3 weeks as a good time. The detective told me "You've already been fingerprinted so the State Police don't need them again. Come back tommorrow but make it late in the afternoon so we'll be sure the Chief signed it."

The reforms made require them to issue within 30-45 days or something like that and they can't make you make a bunch of trips.

On the other hand the NJ AWB is still alive and well prohibiting certain firearms totally on cosmetics. They do make you get a criminal records check every year in order to get a permit to purchase a handgun. They charge you $18 for that. Being a retired LEO I can get a carry permit. I paid for a criminal records check to get the carry permit and still had to pay for another to get a purchase permit. I don't think it has anything to do with being concerned about you being a criminal or not just a way to collect more money to spend. 60% of the tolls paid on highways, bridges, and tunnels are pain in NJ. Yesterday I heard the Governor wanted put tolls on the interstates to collect revenue. To continue I shloud go into a new post but here in NJ the Democrats feel the best way to balance the budget is not stop spending but raise taxes and revenue any way you can.
 
Grizz22

Yep, That's NJ alright. Gotta love that Corzine. Before he was elected, he said something along the lines of Let's include clothes as taxables, that way we can keep those New Yorkers out of NJ. New Yorkers used to flock across the river to shop in NJ which was very good for business, which pay their own taxes according to how well they are doing. I used to live in an urban setting there and it was 30 days by law to get a firearms ID card (rifle card). The law was broken to the tune of about a year. My first HG permit, also supposed to be a 30 day max wait, took 3 months. I moved to the NW corridor into the country and I got my handgun permits there in about a week to 2 weeks. You still had to get fingerprinted and 2 reference letters of people that would vouch for you, and they checked the references. What a brave new world I am living in now.
 
nj handguns

Lived in NJ for 4 years and worked in a gun shop in Robbinsville for all 4. Pretty much all handguns are legal in nj so long as you mag holds more than 15 rnds. The important thing is make sure whomever will be using the gun has a firearms ID card, and applies for the handgun perchase permit. The laws surrounding hp ammo is as such. It is legal to posses in the home and at the range, you cannot however drive around with it rolling around in your car. Read NJ legal code 2c on the state police website. Any further questions please call Evan Nappen, NJ's top firearms related lawyer. Good luck in NJ!
 
HGUNHNTR said

"Lived in NJ for 4 years and worked in a gun shop in Robbinsville for all 4. Pretty much all handguns are legal in nj so long as you mag holds more than 15 rnds." Wrong.
I had to go and find a 10 round mag for my Glock 17 when the AWB was in effect, and as someone else pointed out, it is still in effect in NJ.
 
Wrong!!!!

State law here in NJ state you can NOT!!! have mags that exceed 15rds, I think HGHHUNTER just mispoke, no reason to have 10 rounders either, even during the ban they were legal here. Sorry for the strong wording but this is serious business here, don't get caught with anything more that a 15 rounder,
or you WILL become a FELON!!!
 
While you can get a rifle permit....

here for hunting it's limited only to varmint, and private land.....So for all intents and purposes were a shotgun only hunting state. That being said, he's
a rather beefy fellow, and frequently on the wing which rules out handguns. I would load up my 870 with #1 buck, for the denser pattern than double O. I would keep my shots to 30 yards.:neener: :neener: :evil:
 
HGUNHNTR - Just stopped at your old place in Robbinsville the other day, and picked up a 686 there not long ago too. It's still one of the best places in this area. I needed some 00 and #1 for the Jersey Devil that sometimes wonders these parts.
 
My official place of residence was NJ during the time I spent in the Corps, and while I lived in a good community, my interest in firearms led me to move, after bumming around the world for a few years. One of the biggest attractions for moving to Florida was the reasonably sane gun laws. Sure, the weather was to my liking and I've always loved the South, but for me it's a relative paradise after all that time up north. Instead of worrying about ludicrous hollowpoint laws, I feed my CCW guns with whatever suits my fancy and shoot close to 500 rounds every week just for giggles.

Many relatives remain up north, and there remains a strong attraction for the area of my youth, but I'd never move back for good. Just a retired old grunt who loves his guns and wouldn't want to lose the freedom of exercising my rights. Having said that, NJ remains part of our union and I respect those who live there, but cannot abide the political climate at all.
 
Sorry gang, I did Mis Speak about the 15 round mag. Anything more than 15 rounds is illegal, 15 or less is legal--before or after the ban. HOWEVER with a glock 17 you cannot purchase a 15 round mag and have to opt for the 10 rounder. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused.

Might see you next fall K96771 as I will be forced to return to NJ for a year or so.
 
Oh Sigh

NJ must have been a nice place to live way back before the income tax, the intellectuals and the liberals.

One another note, I think 15 round magazines are illegal in NJ. But seriously, anybody who has a problem getting their permit should contact the NJ Attorney General's Office and tell them about the delay. I got my permits to purchase through the mail from my police department with no hassles. But then again, we are Republicans in my town, few liberals and certainly not many intellectuals.
 
Quote One another note, I think 15 round magazines are illegal in NJ.

15 ROUND MAGS ARE NOT ILLEGAL IN NJ!! 16 ROUND+ YES
 
15,15,15 LEGAL.... Nothing to think about, know the laws before you post, your spreading incorrect information. In New Jersey, a 15 round mag is LEGAL...
 
In case any of you NJ residents are inclined, there's a grass roots type organization whose stated mission is:
To effect positive change to New Jersey's current public policy of discouraging, penalizing, and even criminalizing, legitimate and necessary acts and methods of self defense and to pursue these policy changes through legislative initiatives, grassroots activism and statewide public information campaigns.
Click to expand...
They're still pretty small, but have managed so far to organize events where a couple of hundred NJ residents got their non-resident Florida CCWs. Check them out at http://www.njcsd.org.
 
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