After speaking with Mesa Safe today I learned that their new MBF5922's will soon be shipping with S&G UL rated locks! The website does not show this yet but they are shipping now. That's awesome for you guys buying these safes in the future but what about us? No worries..They asked for my serial number and informed me that my safe is already set up for the S&G Titan with Pivot lock so I bought one today..I will document the install for other members that may need to put one on their MESA in the future..
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danez71
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In your other thread you said you wanted the key back-up of you existing lock and felt it was a good enough lock for your purpose.
Why did you change your mind?
I'm interested in seeing your write up on the mechanics of changing the lock as I feel that the digital locks are a con and not a pro and changing a lock could open up possibilities for me.
Why did you change your mind?
I'm interested in seeing your write up on the mechanics of changing the lock as I feel that the digital locks are a con and not a pro and changing a lock could open up possibilities for me.
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Please take some pis of how the locking bolts are supported. The size of the bolts look impressive, but the supports are what fails when pried. Their website doesn't show any detail that I could find. I know at this price point there is only so much that can be done, but I am just curious how that measures up to comparrable safes, I mean RSC's 
I will take some some pics for you...Your correct, the size of the bolts is really just for marketing in my opinion. They are thick and there are quite a few of them though so it would definitely slow someone down..
Dan..The real Reason is to show that this safe will accept a UL S&G Titan..Some might find that attractive. It's actually designed for this S&G pivot lock and they are now shipping with them so I am going to throw one on for the heck of it.. Secondly, I was told that the S&G can be outfitted with a bolt relay that can tie into my alarm system and provide for a panic code, camera activation, etc.. I found that attractive also.. MESA was very honest and told me that they have decided that People want UL and that in fact the S&G Titan is a much stronger lock..I trust them so in it goes..I questioned them about the possibility of picking the lock and they said while "anything" can be picked, they receive countless calls a week from locksmiths asking for drill points on the safe because they can not pick them..nuff said for me.. I will try and document this best I can...
Dan..The real Reason is to show that this safe will accept a UL S&G Titan..Some might find that attractive. It's actually designed for this S&G pivot lock and they are now shipping with them so I am going to throw one on for the heck of it.. Secondly, I was told that the S&G can be outfitted with a bolt relay that can tie into my alarm system and provide for a panic code, camera activation, etc.. I found that attractive also.. MESA was very honest and told me that they have decided that People want UL and that in fact the S&G Titan is a much stronger lock..I trust them so in it goes..I questioned them about the possibility of picking the lock and they said while "anything" can be picked, they receive countless calls a week from locksmiths asking for drill points on the safe because they can not pick them..nuff said for me.. I will try and document this best I can...
The specific lock's design is just as important as the rating, IMO. A UL rating does not necessarily speak to the quality, reliability, or longevity of a design. Someone purchasing a safe or a new lock will want to inquire as to which specific model lock they are getting.
For example, the S&G 6741 and the S&G 6730 are both UL-rated Group 2 locks made by the same company, but they are as different as can be. The 6741 is pretty close to junk. Using less expensive materials than brass, these locks are not known for reliability. On the contrary, the S&G 6730 is the benchmark of a quality mechanical Group 2 lock and is the benchmark in which mechanical combination locks are compared to (and based upon.) Buyers should look past the marketing and demand to know the specifics.
But with gun safes, how much do lock specifics really matter? Regardless of what lock is used, the standard design model that most gun safes are built to are not designed to resist a physical attack. Most of these attacks will target the sides or top, where criminals are well aware that the armor is often thin enough to be defeated in seconds...?
For example, the S&G 6741 and the S&G 6730 are both UL-rated Group 2 locks made by the same company, but they are as different as can be. The 6741 is pretty close to junk. Using less expensive materials than brass, these locks are not known for reliability. On the contrary, the S&G 6730 is the benchmark of a quality mechanical Group 2 lock and is the benchmark in which mechanical combination locks are compared to (and based upon.) Buyers should look past the marketing and demand to know the specifics.
But with gun safes, how much do lock specifics really matter? Regardless of what lock is used, the standard design model that most gun safes are built to are not designed to resist a physical attack. Most of these attacks will target the sides or top, where criminals are well aware that the armor is often thin enough to be defeated in seconds...?
The one that is in route is the S&G Titan Pivotbolt 2006 and it's a better lock than the stock for sure..You are correct about the design of a RSC. It's meant to deter and postpone an attack and that exactly what I and many others need. By the time a crook gets near my safe/RSC the motion sensors and other features of my alarm have police in route or they are looking at the business end of my 12 gauge..
I think of security as a muti layered approach and by using alarms, placement, concrete anchors, and a strong lock, I feel confident that my guns are safe. I also saved enough to go buy more toys...If all of the above fails, I have USAA with additional scheduled benifits and they got my back for sure..
I will still take pics of the S&G install as others might want to "upgrade" what I consider the biggest weak point of this RSC.. Thanks for the comments!
I think of security as a muti layered approach and by using alarms, placement, concrete anchors, and a strong lock, I feel confident that my guns are safe. I also saved enough to go buy more toys...If all of the above fails, I have USAA with additional scheduled benifits and they got my back for sure..
I will still take pics of the S&G install as others might want to "upgrade" what I consider the biggest weak point of this RSC.. Thanks for the comments!
I've not used the Pivot Bolt, but I've read good things about them online. Owners seem to be very happy with them. I'd love to hear periodic updates on your usage and how it holds up over the years. IIRC, don't the Pivot Bolts have quite a few customizable features? I'd be curious to hear if you find any of the advanced features to be useful or convenient over time?
Cdk8...I have completed the swap out and the Pivotbolt works great and yes, it has all kinds of features..Much more robust than the chi lock that came off.. Although this safe is monitored by external motion sensors+ I am planning on utilizing two available features. These will require a couple add on but the lock can handle it..
1. I am going to tie it in to my alarm system for monitoring (updates, humidity, etc..)
2. I am going to activate the panic code which I really like. So if someone forces you to open the safe you just enter the panic code and a duress signal is sent. My alarm setup allows for this even if not armed or on for that matter...
1. I am going to tie it in to my alarm system for monitoring (updates, humidity, etc..)
2. I am going to activate the panic code which I really like. So if someone forces you to open the safe you just enter the panic code and a duress signal is sent. My alarm setup allows for this even if not armed or on for that matter...
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