New Lone Wolf 9mm Glock Lower

[LiveLife]

Lone Wolf Distributors website is selling the new AR Glock 9mm lower shown at the 2010 SHOT show for $349 (stripped lower $199) that accept other 9mm AR uppers like Olympic Arms.

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Products.aspx?CAT=288

 

[briansmithwins]

That ejector looks HUGE!

I thought the Oly uppers used a spring type ejector to accommodate the bolt design they use. This lower works with that?

BSW

 

[Mags]

2 things- Do you work for Lone Wolf you kinda posted this everywhere?
This will replace the ACR on my list of guns for 2010-2011.

Oh for this fella:

That ejector looks HUGE!

That is the mag catch not the ejector.

 

[CMP]

So would a RRA upper fit on this?

 

[Quiet]

FYI.
Lone Wolf has been selling this lower since September 2009.

They are backordered, because their production capabilities do not meet the demand for it.

The Lone Wolf AR/Glock lower is a copy of the Olympic Arms AR/Glock lower. It's the reason why the Olympic Arms uppers work without modifications and other manufacturer uppers require modifications to get it to work with the lower. It's been reported, on other sites, that RRA uppers will work with this lower without mods as well. But, mods to the bolt may be required. Contact Lone Wolf for more info.

The AR/Glock lower can accept all the Glock 9x19mm, .40S&W, .357SIG and .45GAP magazines. So, the lower is not caliber specific.

 

[X-Rap]

357 Sig in an AR style Carbine would be sweet.

 

[LiveLife]

Do you work for Lone Wolf you kinda posted this everywhere?
This will replace the ACR on my list of guns for 2010-2011.

No, I do not work for Lone Wolf or have any affiliation with them. I just use their products (mainly Glock barrels) and happy with their performance. I was looking at 9mm AR uppers for 3 gun match and came across Lone Wolf Glock lower and posted for the benefit of Glock owners who already own many Glock magazines.

So would a RRA upper fit on this?

From AR15.com forum comments, it looks like RRA and Colt bolt requires machining on one or both sides: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=15&t=458994&page=3

 

[Dirtpile]

I knew I couldn't be the only one waiting for something like that.

I wouldn't really even care if it was an AR, though it would be nice.

 

[Delta39]

I have one of these lowers and it does not like the Scherer or Victory magazines. Fit with a loaded magazine is very tight in some cases so tight it will not go in the magazine well or if it does and you try to remove it it doesn't want to come out. A few empty magazines also do this. In defense of this lower the manufacturer does state on their site that it takes only Glock magazines. I took that to mean just Glock style magazines and not just Glock factory magazines and no other manufacturer of Glock magazines. Well it seems to mean Glock factory and nothing else. If your thinking I was being a cheapskate and trying to get by with using the knockoff's to save a few bucks your 100% correct. Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't. Just wanted to give all those interested in this lower a heads up about this issue. Other than that this lower is great and I would recommend it.

 

[greyling22]

wonder if those kci 33 round mags from cdnn for 10 bucks (or maybe it was 15) would run?

 

[Sebastian the Ibis]

wonder if those kci 33 round mags from cdnn for 10 bucks (or maybe it was 15) would run?

My 15 rnd KCI mags work find, but the spring is weak.

My 17 rnd KCI mags cause a stovepipe from time to time, because the spring is weaker.

I hate to think how weak the spring on the 33rnds mags would be.

 

[Delta39]

I think I tried one of those with it too. I'm waiting on my order of a factory Glock mag and will up date how it works.

 

[Jeremy2171]

I've got the complete Olympic rifle and it's a pure joy to shoot!

 

[Delta39]

Well I know its been awhile but I just tried the Original Glock 9mm magazine in the Lone Wolf lower and it also sticks and does not want to slide in the mag well. Empty mags are a tight fit but loaded magazines require a lot of pressure to get them in place. This is an issue if you need to clear the weapon with a loaded magazine in place. Pulling a loaded magazine out is very difficult. It seems to be the side walls are not milled out enough so I may just try to remove some material on the sides but I don't want to risk ruining it. I plan to contact Lone Wolf and see what they say about it.
I'm not here to bash a manufacturer but if I was working at Lone Wolf this lower would not have passed my inspection until it could accept a magazine without sticking so bad. I think these lowers need more milling to the side walls of the mag well since that seems to be squeezing the mags too much.

 

[Delta39]

Well after working more with the lower I've determined its not the side walls that are the issue but rather the back of the mag well. This area actually pushes the back of the magazine in just a bit and leaves a lot of wear marks on it after repeated use. It seems to be thicker towards the base of the mag well. If you look at the last picture of the lower that is upside down posted above you can see the back of the mag well with what looks like a rounded groove on each side. It is the portion in the middle that I think is giving me the problem since that is the area creating the most wear on the magazine. I am using a factory Glock magazine for this test. Since that area of the lower has a lot of material to work with I may Dremel it or just use a hand file and see if that helps.

 

[Delta39]

I just got off the phone with Lone Wolf Dist. and they said its made to "very specific specifications" so in other words thats how its suppose to be.
I guess I will have to break out the files and start working on this myself to resolve the issue. I no longer recommend this lower until they fix this problem of magazine fit. I know its not a drop free design but having to pull as hard as you can to get a magazine out is unacceptable to me.

 

[bigalexe]

Stupid Question Alert:

What makes this a "Glock" lower? Is it that it shoots 9mm or has a Glock looking grip?

 

[waterhouse]

What makes this a "Glock" lower? Is it that it shoots 9mm or has a Glock looking grip?

Uses Glock magazines.

 

[Delta39]

I did some work to the lower and can now get a loaded magazine in and out without having to change my grip on the rifle. The empty mags will now drop free from the mag well. The mags tend to expand when loaded so this is where the problem starts. You may not be able to see it but try a Glock magazine in a Lone Wolf lower and you'll feel it. I still think this is unacceptable and Lone Wolf should make some changes to their product.

 

[rjrivero]

I've built 2 of these lowers into Carbines. The first one went together easy as pie, and has been running like a raped ape.

The second, had a slight machining error on it, and had to be rectified with a jewellers file. Took about 40 minutes going nice and slow.

The glock mags all fit fine. Drop free. No hassle. The Kahn Korean surplus ones don't fit worth a crap. They also are a slight bit short front to back so some 9mm rounds don't fit well. I decided to can the Kahn's, instead of working open the mag wells to work with mags that I find suspect anyway.

The anodizing isn't the best. It's not mil-spec and is starting to purple on me. I use the rifle a lot and it spends a lot of time on the range, at 3 gun matches, etc. It spends a fair amount of time outside in the sun. The mag release is worse than the lower. I will duracoat this gun eventually, but right now it's just plain FUN to shoot. It's cheap to load 9mm which was my motivation for making this gun in the first place. It doesn't have a bolt hold open, which isn't such a big deal, but it would be nice.

The ejector is held in with 2 set screws. It works fine, but if you get aggressive with a magazine, slapping it home you may tilt the ejector and then it will rub on the bolt carrier. I decided to combat this extractor tilt by drilling a divot into the ejector to allow the front most set screw to countersink about .010. This essentially "locks" the ejector to keep it from tilting if the mag is inserted forcefully, as often happens in 3 gun stages.

I did use a Rock River Arms Upper, with the bolt narrowed for the single feed Glock Mags. I also had the bolt ramped to relieve stress on the hammer pin. This work was done at ADCO.

I like the rifle so much, I SBR'd it.

 

[Walkalong]

9MM AR's are a lot of fun, that's for sure. Looks like a great option for Glock shooters.