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Now that is a nifty little Mauser....
New, old Mauser Argentino 1891 questions
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Mustang51
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Congrats, Franc. That is a fine looking 1891 Argentine carbine. Getting an 1891 with the crest intact is great, because many of them have the crest scrubbed.
I have several 1891 Argentine long rifles and several 1909 Argentine carbines and long rifles. I shoot them in a vintage military silhouette match and have found them to be quite accurate.
I saw the target you posted and believe that if the bore is in good shape and you work at it, you can get better accuracy.
I currently reload for my Argy's and have found 174 gr SMK's with IMR 4320 in the the 41-43.5 gr range to work well in my rifles. YMMV.
If you do not reload, I found Norma 150 gr to be the most accurate, followed by the PPU 174 gr FMJBT. I had the poorest results with the PPU 180 gr SP. The Norma was good, but PRICY.
One of my 1909 Argentine rifles was scoped by a previous owner.
I recently went to the range to check zero on it for an upcoming match. As an experiment, I shot some Prvi Partizan 7.65x53 commercial 174 gr ammunition through my Argentine Mauser to compare to my handloads
The Prvi at 220 yards:
My handloads at the same distance: (this is why i handload
)
I have several 1891 Argentine long rifles and several 1909 Argentine carbines and long rifles. I shoot them in a vintage military silhouette match and have found them to be quite accurate.
I saw the target you posted and believe that if the bore is in good shape and you work at it, you can get better accuracy.
I currently reload for my Argy's and have found 174 gr SMK's with IMR 4320 in the the 41-43.5 gr range to work well in my rifles. YMMV.
If you do not reload, I found Norma 150 gr to be the most accurate, followed by the PPU 174 gr FMJBT. I had the poorest results with the PPU 180 gr SP. The Norma was good, but PRICY.
One of my 1909 Argentine rifles was scoped by a previous owner.
I recently went to the range to check zero on it for an upcoming match. As an experiment, I shot some Prvi Partizan 7.65x53 commercial 174 gr ammunition through my Argentine Mauser to compare to my handloads
The Prvi at 220 yards:
My handloads at the same distance: (this is why i handload
)
Clark
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I got this 1891 in 2013 from a woman who's father just passed away.
I gave her $100.
Then I had to get brass and dies.
I got an RCBS sizer and seater made in 1976 off Ebay.
Wait, I don't see any brass.
I could buy some, the privi parti stuff is out there, the Norma stuff is out there.
I could convert some, I have thousands of once fired 270 brass from St Marks testing.
I just watched this old guy convert 270 brass. He cracks me up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOawc9O6f3s
I gave her $100.
Then I had to get brass and dies.
I got an RCBS sizer and seater made in 1976 off Ebay.
Wait, I don't see any brass.
I could buy some, the privi parti stuff is out there, the Norma stuff is out there.
I could convert some, I have thousands of once fired 270 brass from St Marks testing.
I just watched this old guy convert 270 brass. He cracks me up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOawc9O6f3s
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I picked up an 1891 carbine last week, and bought some of the Prvi brass from Grafs. The stock's been carved a bit, but all metal is where it should be.
The Argentine owners at www.milsurps.com mention the leade is rather long on these guns, and they recommend using a long cylindrical bullet rather than the BTFMJs to better reach put to the rifling. Anyone else run into this?
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I picked up an 1891 carbine last week, and bought some of the Prvi brass from Grafs. The stock's been carved a bit, but all metal is where it should be.
The Argentine owners at www.milsurps.com mention the leade is rather long on these guns, and they recommend using a long cylindrical bullet rather than the BTFMJs to better reach put to the rifling. Anyone else run into this?
Photos added:
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tahoe2
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7.65 bullets (303 bullets)
Sorry I didn't notice this sooner ! Ray, first off; Congrats on that purchase.
I have had great success with Hornady 174 grn Round nose and Speer 180 grn Round nose in both of my 1909 Argentine Carbines. The Hornady's are .312" and have a slight edge over the Speer's which are .311". I did slug my bores and one is .312" and the other is .313" so that explains why the .312"s perform better. I also shoot .313" 200 grn cast w/gas check, getting great results. Good luck !!
Sorry I didn't notice this sooner ! Ray, first off; Congrats on that purchase.
I have had great success with Hornady 174 grn Round nose and Speer 180 grn Round nose in both of my 1909 Argentine Carbines. The Hornady's are .312" and have a slight edge over the Speer's which are .311". I did slug my bores and one is .312" and the other is .313" so that explains why the .312"s perform better. I also shoot .313" 200 grn cast w/gas check, getting great results. Good luck !!
The Lead Round Nose Gas Checked 185 gr 303 bullets from Montana Bullet Works loaded easy, and shot well Saturday out of new PPU brass and CCI LRPs. Got to say this first batch of ammo is all one load, giving me consistency while I experiment with different glasses, contacts, and diopters to get the best view of the front sight with factory equipment. Hope to start on the load development soon.
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